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Post by frienduff on Jan 4, 2020 20:59:49 GMT -5
We have had a serious problem in the churches and most are blind to it .
They have been filling us full with distractions and experiences and so forth to keep us united and bring more unity in amongst all .
Probably wondering , what on earth I am talking about .
This tatic works . Its not only in many churches , buts its increasing on many sites too .
Instead of putting the focus on sound doctrine , and building up the church , and focusing on watching and being ready . The mindset is now lets get along . So it was no surprise that churches and lots of sites too , started focusing more on wordly threads and things we can find common ground on . See, we can all get along and find common ground in common things . And folks do this and they become friends , they form relationships and etc . YET in order to keep this , SOUND doctrine , anything grave , any warnings , any reminders of not sinning or naming what sins are . HAS to be omitted . Because that causes divisions . They often use the word or excuse oh we don't need to focus so much on those things , cause all they do is cause divisions and we supposed to have unity . I just wonder , though , what was the early churches focus . What was their focus in those letters . Yet , this generation sees a lot of that stuff as negative , we don t want to run folks off stuff . This does work , if you want unity and fellowship this is one way to get it . BUT at what cost . The cost of the church is the cost . Its easy to find common ground if our common ground is not truth centered . BUT ITS all a dead end . THis came really strong to me this evening . I notice on another site and other sites too , that most posts are on some of the most boring worldy stuff , YET those posts , threads , GET the most traffic . WELL , OSAS threads get the most . But these follow a very close second . What I also notice is , the threads that remind us of what days we in and the threads that exhort ONLY SOUND DOCTRINE warnings and exhortations . NO ONE hardly wants to even visit those . YET , threads that focus on ALL JESUS sayings and reminders of being holy , and focus on BIBLE DOCTRINE , THOSE are the only threads that truly fulfill me . WE got a problem . WHY is the biblical doctrine not enough to sustain us . I speak in general terms when I say us . We would think Lambs would love all truth . would want to do threads or go to threads that packed full of biblical reminders . BUT MOST DONT . Instead the focus is on lets get along , but by doing this , correction is not getting done , those in error ARE NOT being convicted and the churches just keep getting worse . WHY Does the fact we are near the end times , bother folks . WHY is it naysaying when correction is being done . WHY is it doom and gloom when the warnings are be prepared , we will soon be persecuted . OR why is there little to no mention of HOW close we truly are . WHY are folks not rather , saying things like , BE WATCHING , BE READY , If any errs correct fast and why is bible doctrine and the sayings of JESUS so not wanting to be heard . LAMBS Love EVERYTHING JESUS said . We have to increase the true biblical exhortations and really and truly build the people up , ensuring with all warnings , reminders , and the HOPE we have in CHRIST Too . WHEN did beholding BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD , become a crime . And now anyone who tries to warn and exhort any kind of severity of GOD is seen as a legalist earning their way to heaven . WE gotta screech the brakes and fast . EITHER we exhort like JESUS DID and the apostels did , IN ALL THINGS , or folks wont make it .
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2020 23:26:26 GMT -5
I used to have some common ground with people like Shiloh357 and Davida. That was in politics. We are all conservative Republicans, and would all be united in that area, but that still did not lead to doctrinal unity. It doesn't matter how much we rallied around the Republican candidates for President. I was still hated because of my differences with them over OSAS. I understand what you are saying Frienduff, but I wouldn't be too troubled over this.
Just for the record, I would love to be at peace with everyone. I wouldn't do it at the expense of compromising the truth. When I say at peace, I mean if we could get to a place where we were not having carnal verbal assaults against each other. I don't believe God is in that.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 5, 2020 7:58:43 GMT -5
I used to have some common ground with people like Shiloh357 and Davida. That was in politics. We are all conservative Republicans, and would all be united in that area, but that still did not lead to doctrinal unity. It doesn't matter how much we rallied around the Republican candidates for President. I was still hated because of my differences with them over OSAS. I understand what you are saying Frienduff, but I wouldn't be too troubled over this.
Just for the record, I would love to be at peace with everyone. I wouldn't do it at the expense of compromising the truth. When I say at peace, I mean if we could get to a place where we were not having carnal verbal assaults against each other. I don't believe God is in that.
YOUR right , it did not lead to DOCTRINAL UNITY . That is part of my point . Yet we are to come to UNITY in the truth . Not unity with just fellowship . If we make our focus and the focus on sound biblical doctrine , making it on Christ we have a strong united Church under Christ as the HEAD . Unity in the FAITH . And how often we saw that THE FAITH was not to include sin and evil . If our focus is on other things and not rather on continual exhortations of truth , then how will the church find unity in the Faith , or build up anyone . We have to return the entire focus on JESUS and all His teachings , what the apostels wrote . Let us be encouraged and make all effforts to continuously exhort on sound doctrine and only more so as we see the day approaching . I have much peace in this . Its already beginning more and more , lets just increase it and in all that we do and say , may it Honor the LORD .
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Post by Dezi on Jan 5, 2020 13:22:04 GMT -5
We have had a serious problem in the churches and most are blind to it .
They have been filling us full with distractions and experiences and so forth to keep us united and bring more unity in amongst all .
Probably wondering , what on earth I am talking about .
This tatic works . Its not only in many churches , buts its increasing on many sites too .
Instead of putting the focus on sound doctrine , and building up the church , and focusing on watching and being ready . The mindset is now lets get along . So it was no surprise that churches and lots of sites too , started focusing more on wordly threads and things we can find common ground on . See, we can all get along and find common ground in common things . And folks do this and they become friends , they form relationships and etc . YET in order to keep this , SOUND doctrine , anything grave , any warnings , any reminders of not sinning or naming what sins are . HAS to be omitted . Because that causes divisions . They often use the word or excuse oh we don't need to focus so much on those things , cause all they do is cause divisions and we supposed to have unity . I just wonder , though , what was the early churches focus . What was their focus in those letters . Yet , this generation sees a lot of that stuff as negative , we don t want to run folks off stuff . This does work , if you want unity and fellowship this is one way to get it . BUT at what cost . The cost of the church is the cost . Its easy to find common ground if our common ground is not truth centered . BUT ITS all a dead end . THis came really strong to me this evening . I notice on another site and other sites too , that most posts are on some of the most boring worldy stuff , YET those posts , threads , GET the most traffic . WELL , OSAS threads get the most . But these follow a very close second . What I also notice is , the threads that remind us of what days we in and the threads that exhort ONLY SOUND DOCTRINE warnings and exhortations . NO ONE hardly wants to even visit those . YET , threads that focus on ALL JESUS sayings and reminders of being holy , and focus on BIBLE DOCTRINE , THOSE are the only threads that truly fulfill me . WE got a problem . WHY is the biblical doctrine not enough to sustain us . I speak in general terms when I say us . We would think Lambs would love all truth . would want to do threads or go to threads that packed full of biblical reminders . BUT MOST DONT . Instead the focus is on lets get along , but by doing this , correction is not getting done , those in error ARE NOT being convicted and the churches just keep getting worse . WHY Does the fact we are near the end times , bother folks . WHY is it naysaying when correction is being done . WHY is it doom and gloom when the warnings are be prepared , we will soon be persecuted . OR why is there little to no mention of HOW close we truly are . WHY are folks not rather , saying things like , BE WATCHING , BE READY , If any errs correct fast and why is bible doctrine and the sayings of JESUS so not wanting to be heard . LAMBS Love EVERYTHING JESUS said . We have to increase the true biblical exhortations and really and truly build the people up , ensuring with all warnings , reminders , and the HOPE we have in CHRIST Too . WHEN did beholding BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD , become a crime . And now anyone who tries to warn and exhort any kind of severity of GOD is seen as a legalist earning their way to heaven . WE gotta screech the brakes and fast . EITHER we exhort like JESUS DID and the apostels did , IN ALL THINGS , or folks wont make it . Well as we know Satan is so very crafty in his approach. I feel he has brought on this whole thing of "getting offended" so easily... He has done a great job of that through the media/news and social media. Those platforms have had too much freedom. We are able to connect with so many different cultures and diverse people yet it gave people an open door to express all of their mixed up feelings and thoughts. So, now everyone is offended on a daily basis. It leaves little room to speak truth. Everyone is already offended about every little thing... so the new thought is... Let's talk about something we can all agree on! See, what I am saying? All done so craftily!
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Post by solid on Jan 5, 2020 18:32:06 GMT -5
There will almost always be something we can find in common with others, like being united with the Catholics in being against abortion, but that doesn't make us united in the Christian faith.
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2020 19:01:10 GMT -5
There will almost always be something we can find in common with others, like being united with the Catholics in being against abortion, but that doesn't make us united in the Christian faith. We can agree with Muslims that there is a lot of evil in this world, and can agree with them that things like pornography are evil. Of course we can find things in common with most people, but there are things we can never compromise over, like Jesus being the only way of salvation. We cannot compromise over serious doctrinal errors, like praying to statues and worshipping Mary, or claiming that we can continue living in sin that grace would abound like many in the OSAS camp say. I have attended the March For Life in Washington D.C. and marched along side people with big signs saying "Atheists For Life." I was happy they were against abortion. There were many Catholics there, and I am happy they oppose abortion. That is great, and yes, we can unite in opposition to evil, but when it comes to how we are saved, there can be no compromise. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ, and there is no other way. We cannot come together in our worship, and we cannot make out like we all worship the same god when we do not, just to get along. There are lines in the sand we cannot cross.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jan 5, 2020 20:36:17 GMT -5
...and can agree with them that things like pornography are evil.
The question is:
If people agree that pornography is evil then why they keep watching it?!
“...unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3
“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord...” - Acts 3:19
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2020 21:12:13 GMT -5
...and can agree with them that things like pornography are evil.
The question is:
If people agree that pornography is evil then why they keep watching it?!
“...unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3
“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord...” - Acts 3:19 Most likely, if someone is watching porn, it is because they are battling with lust, and they are in bondage. They need deliverance, like they would need deliverance from drug abuse, drunkenness, or any other sinful habit.
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Post by solid on Jan 6, 2020 7:50:59 GMT -5
The question is:
If people agree that pornography is evil then why they keep watching it?!
“...unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3
“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord...” - Acts 3:19 Most likely, if someone is watching porn, it is because they are battling with lust, and they are in bondage. They need deliverance, like they would need deliverance from drug abuse, drunkenness, or any other sinful habit.
I think we should all be able to agree porn is sinful and destructive.
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Post by 777 on Jan 6, 2020 8:01:16 GMT -5
I used to have some common ground with people like Shiloh357 and Davida. That was in politics. We are all conservative Republicans, and would all be united in that area, but that still did not lead to doctrinal unity. It doesn't matter how much we rallied around the Republican candidates for President. I was still hated because of my differences with them over OSAS. I understand what you are saying Frienduff, but I wouldn't be too troubled over this.
Just for the record, I would love to be at peace with everyone. I wouldn't do it at the expense of compromising the truth. When I say at peace, I mean if we could get to a place where we were not having carnal verbal assaults against each other. I don't believe God is in that.
With Democrats supporting abortion and the homosexual agenda, any real Christian could unite against them, but that is quite different from uniting over doctrine.
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Post by 777 on Jan 6, 2020 8:06:03 GMT -5
Most likely, if someone is watching porn, it is because they are battling with lust, and they are in bondage. They need deliverance, like they would need deliverance from drug abuse, drunkenness, or any other sinful habit.
I think we should all be able to agree porn is sinful and destructive. It is lust driven. People are being entertained by watching others fornicate, and when they buy their videos and subscribe to their channels and web-sites, they pay their salaries.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 6, 2020 16:03:33 GMT -5
There will almost always be something we can find in common with others, like being united with the Catholics in being against abortion, but that doesn't make us united in the Christian faith. Rethink this . and let me explain what I mean . Is it true that catholics are against abortion . YES IS it true that I am against abortion . YES . But it don't mean I am unequally yoked with the darkest system nor those of it , TO DEFEND against abortion . we can DO THIS ON OUR OWN . Any wicked group will always have some things right , BUT WE DONT GET unequally yoked with them , JUST because THEY DO . JESUS did not get yoked with Pharisees , EVEN THOUGH HE said whatever they bid you do , YOU DO just not as them . WE do NOT get yoked up with any of the false for any reason whatsoever . WE simply can do and stand for truth , ON OUR OWN , UNITED WITH OTHERS who are LIKEMINDED .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 6, 2020 16:08:01 GMT -5
The question is:
If people agree that pornography is evil then why they keep watching it?!
“...unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:3
“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord...” - Acts 3:19 Most likely, if someone is watching porn, it is because they are battling with lust, and they are in bondage. They need deliverance, like they would need deliverance from drug abuse, drunkenness, or any other sinful habit.
There is no doubt this is true . And yet if they are in it , we flee them and separate from them , IF they heed not the warnings and repent not . JUST as paul said to do . IF any brother is a fornicator , etc , don't even eat with such , THUS For sure we would never unite with them for any cause . And we know ROME is deadly and we know catholics do speak agaisn abortion , BUT THEY do much evil themselves . THUS eat no with them , stand not with them WE can do this ON OUR OWN . Let us stand ONLY with likeminded believers , we simply warn all others , REPENT andbe restored , or repent and come to JESUS or etc .
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Post by John on Jan 6, 2020 17:08:47 GMT -5
Most likely, if someone is watching porn, it is because they are battling with lust, and they are in bondage. They need deliverance, like they would need deliverance from drug abuse, drunkenness, or any other sinful habit.
There is no doubt this is true . And yet if they are in it , we flee them and separate from them , IF they heed not the warnings and repent not . JUST as paul said to do . IF any brother is a fornicator , etc , don't even eat with such , THUS For sure we would never unite with them for any cause . And we know ROME is deadly and we know catholics do speak agaisn abortion , BUT THEY do much evil themselves . THUS eat no with them , stand not with them WE can do this ON OUR OWN . Let us stand ONLY with likeminded believers , we simply warn all others , REPENT andbe restored , or repent and come to JESUS or etc .
To me, it depends on their attitude. Are they defending their sin, or seeking deliverance? When it comes to those kind of sins, I would bet most don't admit to it.
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Post by solid on Jan 6, 2020 20:24:05 GMT -5
There will almost always be something we can find in common with others, like being united with the Catholics in being against abortion, but that doesn't make us united in the Christian faith. Rethink this . and let me explain what I mean . Is it true that catholics are against abortion . YES IS it true that I am against abortion . YES . But it don't mean I am unequally yoked with the darkest system nor those of it , TO DEFEND against abortion . we can DO THIS ON OUR OWN . Any wicked group will always have some things right , BUT WE DONT GET unequally yoked with them , JUST because THEY DO . JESUS did not get yoked with Pharisees , EVEN THOUGH HE said whatever they bid you do , YOU DO just not as them . WE do NOT get yoked up with any of the false for any reason whatsoever . WE simply can do and stand for truth , ON OUR OWN , UNITED WITH OTHERS who are LIKEMINDED .
You may be right, but at the same time, if you are holding a meeting for those against abortion, and some Catholics show up, it makes no sense to turn them away, if they want to help save babies. That is not the same as uniting in other areas.
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