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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 8:04:30 GMT -5
Just my weigh-in here.....I'm thinking that justice is not a bad thing to have in a fallen world, it's a necessity and a type of blessing. We all would hope that the government of the land we are living in would enact and practice fair and equitable justice, otherwise we would have a travesty and chaos on our hands.....look what happens in corrupt third world (aka pagan) countries where justice is scarce. The criminals take over and start governing and policing the country...that is not a blessing, it's the opposite of blessing.
However, it's not our personal mandate to mete out justice as followers of Christ, our mandate is to mete out mercy. Unless you happened to be a judge or a policeman or lawmaker or in the military, etc when you were saved....then I believe you are just doing a job in that capacity, as long as you do your job justly and honestly in the sight of God, and even exercising mercy within the scope of that job when it is appropriate. (Though it wouldn't be surprising if the Lord may eventually lead a Christian person out of that kind of job down the road.)
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Post by frienduff on Jan 8, 2020 14:14:35 GMT -5
Just remember my words . For in time I will be seen as one of the most dangerous men that ever lived . AND YET I would not harm a soul . Yall remember that . FOR I will never cease to preach against the inclusive lie , and that will make me seem as a monster , a hater of the entire world , and many will claim me even a hater of God . mark those words well . For men , in time , who stand against Rome and that inclusive move , will be seen as totally dangerous terroists , no different than ISIS . ITS COMING , ITS COMING and it wont be stopped .
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Post by 777 on Jan 8, 2020 14:17:36 GMT -5
Just remember my words . For in time I will be seen as one of the most dangerous men that ever lived . AND YET I would not harm a soul . Yall remember that . FOR I will never cease to preach against the inclusive lie , and that will make me seem as a monster , a hater of the entire world , and many will claim me even a hater of God . mark those words well . For men , in time , who stand against Rome and that inclusive move , will be seen as totally dangerous terroists , no different than ISIS . ITS COMING , ITS COMING and it wont be stopped . I think we are already looked at like that.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 8, 2020 14:23:04 GMT -5
Just remember my words . For in time I will be seen as one of the most dangerous men that ever lived . AND YET I would not harm a soul . Yall remember that . FOR I will never cease to preach against the inclusive lie , and that will make me seem as a monster , a hater of the entire world , and many will claim me even a hater of God . mark those words well . For men , in time , who stand against Rome and that inclusive move , will be seen as totally dangerous terroists , no different than ISIS . ITS COMING , ITS COMING and it wont be stopped . I think we are already looked at like that. Yes we are . but not only will the number of folks increase that hate us , so too will their hatred . And it will lead to an all out murdering of any lamb they can find . We are witnessing nothing new , BUT rather THE CLIMAX of it , as it was written would occur NIGH the end .
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Post by 777 on Jan 8, 2020 14:30:14 GMT -5
I think we are already looked at like that. Yes we are . but not only will the number of folks increase that hate us , so too will their hatred . And it will lead to an all out murdering of any lamb they can find . We are witnessing nothing new , BUT rather THE CLIMAX of it , as it was written would occur NIGH the end . Their hatred already exists. They are held back from acting with violence by the law, for now.
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Post by 777 on Jan 8, 2020 14:42:21 GMT -5
There has always been murder in the name of religion, but it is still odd seeing so much hatred from one group to another. Read the hateful rhetoric from OSAS believers towards those that will not go along with them! Even if they see us as wrong, why all the hatred? Because someone that they already believe is eternally secure anyway might feel fear if they murder, rape or steal? It seems to be a war for dominance, trying to conquer everyone's mind.
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Post by Rejoice on Jan 9, 2020 16:02:04 GMT -5
There has always been murder in the name of religion, but it is still odd seeing so much hatred from one group to another. Read the hateful rhetoric from OSAS believers towards those that will not go along with them! Even if they see us as wrong, why all the hatred? Because someone that they already believe is eternally secure anyway might feel fear if they murder, rape or steal? It seems to be a war for dominance, trying to conquer everyone's mind. No mainstream preacher says a Christian can murder, steal or rape and go to heaven, do they? I hope nobody is really teaching that?
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2020 17:36:02 GMT -5
There has always been murder in the name of religion, but it is still odd seeing so much hatred from one group to another. Read the hateful rhetoric from OSAS believers towards those that will not go along with them! Even if they see us as wrong, why all the hatred? Because someone that they already believe is eternally secure anyway might feel fear if they murder, rape or steal? It seems to be a war for dominance, trying to conquer everyone's mind. No mainstream preacher says a Christian can murder, steal or rape and go to heaven, do they? I hope nobody is really teaching that? I haven't heard any of the major televangelists saying that, but there are some spreading this lie.
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Post by 777 on Jan 10, 2020 8:02:24 GMT -5
There has always been murder in the name of religion, but it is still odd seeing so much hatred from one group to another. Read the hateful rhetoric from OSAS believers towards those that will not go along with them! Even if they see us as wrong, why all the hatred? Because someone that they already believe is eternally secure anyway might feel fear if they murder, rape or steal? It seems to be a war for dominance, trying to conquer everyone's mind. No mainstream preacher says a Christian can murder, steal or rape and go to heaven, do they? I hope nobody is really teaching that? There is a false teacher who claims Martin Luther said that if a Christian commits 1000 acts of rape and murder a day and never repents, they will go to heaven. That is based on a fragment of a letter some claim Luther wrote, but there is no proof he is the author. The very idea is ludicrous, but even something as outrageous as this will be accepted by some.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 10, 2020 22:01:40 GMT -5
It is strange to me how liberals will defend killing unborn babies for convenience and protest executing first degree killers. give to us Barabbas!
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Post by Cletus on Jan 10, 2020 22:23:58 GMT -5
i support the death penalty. why should we have to pay to house and feed and give medical care to someone who was busy raping and killing?
i think its soft to give a criminal a lethal injection where they peacefully go to sleep and never wake up, and yet their victims may have suffered horribly. Also, the medicines they use in lethal injection are very costly and taxpayers are the one footing the bill here. acetone is much cheaper. the electric chair is much cheaper. a firing squad is much cheaper. a noose is much cheaper. a sword to the neck is cheaper. how much does the gas chamber cost?... bring it back.
I even think it needs to be televised. let everyone see the demise of heinous lawbreakers. our society has become overly concerned with people being offended. what about the victims? are they offended, excuse me... were they?
Gods Arm is not shortened. He can and does save people on death row. remember carla faye tucker? she pick axed her kids to death. if she was let loose and she killed more kids who then is more responsible for the latter tragedy? She got saved on death row. i saw the videos of her praising Jesus and you could even see the sparkle in her eye. they asked for mercy because she got saved and was denied. certain crimes cross the line.
the death penalty when used properly does not take lives... it saves them.
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Post by John on Jan 11, 2020 16:37:13 GMT -5
i support the death penalty. why should we have to pay to house and feed and give medical care to someone who was busy raping and killing? i think its soft to give a criminal a lethal injection where they peacefully go to sleep and never wake up, and yet their victims may have suffered horribly. Also, the medicines they use in lethal injection are very costly and taxpayers are the one footing the bill here. acetone is much cheaper. the electric chair is much cheaper. a firing squad is much cheaper. a noose is much cheaper. a sword to the neck is cheaper. how much does the gas chamber cost?... bring it back. I even think it needs to be televised. let everyone see the demise of heinous lawbreakers. our society has become overly concerned with people being offended. what about the victims? are they offended, excuse me... were they? Gods Arm is not shortened. He can and does save people on death row. remember carla faye tucker? she pick axed her kids to death. if she was let loose and she killed more kids who then is more responsible for the latter tragedy? She got saved on death row. i saw the videos of her praising Jesus and you could even see the sparkle in her eye. they asked for mercy because she got saved and was denied. certain crimes cross the line. the death penalty when used properly does not take lives... it saves them. I support the death penalty for murderers, and I used to feel the same way you do, but it is not really about the money. It is about justice for the victims and cleansing the earth that was defiled as a result of the shedding of innocent blood. It is one of those things I don't really like, but find necessary. At one time, I wanted to see the murderers suffer, but now, I just want it done as quickly and humanely as possible.
I think they should return to something simple, like a firing squad, hanging or guillotine, and it should only be done in clear cut cases of murder, where we know the person is guilty. The fact of the matter is, God allowed for capital punishment for many crimes, so I am not saying it is wrong to execute an armed robber or rapist or even to execute witches or sodomites, but I am just saying that I would have a hard time being the executioner for less than murder.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 12, 2020 0:08:43 GMT -5
i support the death penalty. why should we have to pay to house and feed and give medical care to someone who was busy raping and killing? i think its soft to give a criminal a lethal injection where they peacefully go to sleep and never wake up, and yet their victims may have suffered horribly. Also, the medicines they use in lethal injection are very costly and taxpayers are the one footing the bill here. acetone is much cheaper. the electric chair is much cheaper. a firing squad is much cheaper. a noose is much cheaper. a sword to the neck is cheaper. how much does the gas chamber cost?... bring it back. I even think it needs to be televised. let everyone see the demise of heinous lawbreakers. our society has become overly concerned with people being offended. what about the victims? are they offended, excuse me... were they? Gods Arm is not shortened. He can and does save people on death row. remember carla faye tucker? she pick axed her kids to death. if she was let loose and she killed more kids who then is more responsible for the latter tragedy? She got saved on death row. i saw the videos of her praising Jesus and you could even see the sparkle in her eye. they asked for mercy because she got saved and was denied. certain crimes cross the line. the death penalty when used properly does not take lives... it saves them. I support the death penalty for murderers, and I used to feel the same way you do, but it is not really about the money. It is about justice for the victims and cleansing the earth that was defiled as a result of the shedding of innocent blood. It is one of those things I don't really like, but find necessary. At one time, I wanted to see the murderers suffer, but now, I just want it done as quickly and humanely as possible.
I think they should return to something simple, like a firing squad, hanging or guillotine, and it should only be done in clear cut cases of murder, where we know the person is guilty. The fact of the matter is, God allowed for capital punishment for many crimes, so I am not saying it is wrong to execute an armed robber or rapist or even to execute witches or sodomites, but I am just saying that I would have a hard time being the executioner for less than murder.
I can understand people want it done humanely. Gods method was a crowd throwing stones at someone until they were dead. by todays standards that is considered barbaric. today we still throw rocks and kill people, the rocks are just made of lead and they travel much faster. and firing squads are considered extreme also.
to me, it just dont matter if a murderer suffers when they die. not someone who defended themselves, but someone who killed just for the sake of killing.
there is a stark memory that sticks with you when you witness someone die in a bad way. like the one cartel guy where he suffered a lot on a botched injection. I think the feeling and memory will be minuscule compared to seeing someone burn in hell.
as far as the money goes... we have taxpayers spending lots of money on single doses of the stuff used in lethal injections. meanwhile, there are hungry people or other things the money could be used on... even a rec center for a community. anything to make the community better. Personally i do not want to pay for that. I can however understand the position of doing it humanely and money not really mattering in that instance if it would bother them. It would not bother me. even for other things other than murder. it would not be a choice job for me and i dont see any little boys says when i grow up i want to be an executioner...
in 2015/2016 the state of Virginia agreed to pay 16,500USD for ONE dose of the lethal injection juice. the price will continue to rise due to many factors... and this price is not even half of other figures i have heard and also that cost is very small for keeping inmates on deathrow. a 7.62x51mm NATO round runs less than a dollar. God's way was even cheaper.
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Post by l3astam0ngmanybl3ss3 on Dec 3, 2022 17:26:09 GMT -5
I am in full support of the death penalty.
I feel it should be more expedient and not linger 30 years on appeal.
Justice is NOT against the word of God. He had Israel destroy multiple nations even down to the last hoof standing on the ground. He also has the Lake of Fire; eternal torment to all who refuse to accept him.
Some crimes need a re- rexam on the worthiness of the penalties. Our justice system as well as the whole of Government is corrupt!
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Post by John on Jun 8, 2023 20:38:26 GMT -5
I am in full support of the death penalty. I feel it should be more expedient and not linger 30 years on appeal. Justice is NOT against the word of God. He had Israel destroy multiple nations even down to the last hoof standing on the ground. He also has the Lake of Fire; eternal torment to all who refuse to accept him. Some crimes need a re- rexam on the worthiness of the penalties. Our justice system as well as the whole of Government is corrupt! I have had many discussions with my wife about this. We both support the death penalty, but she is always saying they allow the appeals process to go on too long. I agree that 20 to 30 years on death row is too long, but we should allow some appeals. I do think they could put a cap on it to say 5 years. They manipulate the system with intentional delays. She would shorten the process to much less than that. I think we can find a place in between the old west where the hanging takes place within a couple of weeks and what we have today. Execution is final so we should make every reasonable attempt to make sure innocent people are not put to death.
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