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Post by frienduff on Jan 26, 2020 18:37:08 GMT -5
First I will ask several questions then I will sum it all up .
1. can a person know with no doubt they are saved .
2. can a person believe they are saved and yet are not saved .
To answer question number one . IF a christain does not KNOW they are saved , they are not saved . A christain must believe with all hope , all faith and all trust , THAT JESUS has done all that was required
for one to be saved . IF any lacks in this , they are in dire and grave danger . Because who are we really trusting in , if we don't KNOW we are saved, NOT CHRIST , but in our own good merits .
To answer number two . YES . many believe they are saved and they claim JESUS did it all , YET they don't know HIM , and their fruits show they don't .
So lets sum this up .
We better know we walk n the true faith . so we better KNOW its the real JESUS we love and trust in .
If we love HIM , we love His every saying , we obey HIM from the heart , FOR HIS SPIRIT is in us working in us that which is well pleasing to GOD .
Many love a jesus that is not compatible with the JESUS of the bible . OH they love the idea they are saved , but love not the LORD HIMSELF . And that means THEY DONT KNOW HIM and are NOT SAVED EITHER .
JOHN once said test the spirits for many deceivers abound . Well we better test the spirits and make sure its not men we love above Christ and follow their contrary to Christ teachings .
We better with great joy and upmost love read those bibles . learn JESUS well , and learn the apostels well .
For the holy scriptures make us wise unto salvation through FAITH IN JESUS ALONE .
yet many are being made wise unto SLAVATION through faith in men who teach contrary to Christ .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:47:25 GMT -5
Amen and Amen....
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Post by John on Jan 26, 2020 18:56:39 GMT -5
The answer to both questions is YES. I agree completely with what you said Frienduff.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 26, 2020 19:06:03 GMT -5
The answer to both questions is YES. I agree completely with what you said Frienduff.
The key is , WHO WE LOVE is WHOSE WE TRULY ARE . And I promise our love will truly be seen by WHO WE OBEY . Love and obedience cannot be separated , as the words of our LORD cannot be denied . IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS . A HEARER and A DOER OF THE WORD . and this cannot be altered or twisted , changed or omitted . The tree is known by its fruits . And the FRUIT of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and truth , PROVING what is acceptable TO …………………..drum roll ……………………………………..GOD . SO if we are truly born again and have the SPIRIT , would we not be hearers and doers of what is ACCEPTABLE TO GOD and fleeing all evil which is contrary to HIM and he does not accept . BEING BORN again is real . And a whole new man is formed . A hearer and a doer of GODS WORD is BORN . AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVIOUS TO A LAMB . LAMBS LOVE OUR LORDS SAYINGS . I MEAN LOOK AT THE APOSTELS , THEY ALL FROM JAMES TO PAUL, TO PETER AND JOHN PREACHED THE ONE SAME GOSPLE WHICH INCLUDES ALL JESUS DID SAY TO DO AND NOT TO DO .
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Post by solid on Jan 27, 2020 5:45:39 GMT -5
1. can a person know with no doubt they are saved? Yes
2. can a person believe they are saved and yet are not saved? Yes
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Post by 777 on Jan 29, 2020 10:39:58 GMT -5
1. can a person know with no doubt they are saved? Yes 2. can a person believe they are saved and yet are not saved? Yes There isn't much I can add, but I agree with you all.
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Post by Dezi on Jan 29, 2020 13:14:57 GMT -5
IN reading this I want to say that I totally believe in Jesus and what the WOrd of God says about him... I believe it in my heart and I follow Him... what worried me back some months ago was that a minister I was listening to said that people who "fear" are not going to Heaven because in the Book of Revelation it says fearful people will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Sometimes that still plays with my mind. Is it talking about if you have never accepted Christ and are fearful then you will not go to Heaven? Because I know it's not what God wants me to be. I am sure it's even probably sinful. But, surely I am still covered by the blood because there is only one unforgivable sin??
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Post by 777 on Jan 29, 2020 13:20:29 GMT -5
IN reading this I want to say that I totally believe in Jesus and what the WOrd of God says about him... I believe it in my heart and I follow Him... what worried me back some months ago was that a minister I was listening to said that people who "fear" are not going to Heaven because in the Book of Revelation it says fearful people will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Sometimes that still plays with my mind. Is it talking about if you have never accepted Christ and are fearful then you will not go to Heaven? Because I know it's not what God wants me to be. I am sure it's even probably sinful. But, surely I am still covered by the blood because there is only one unforgivable sin?? I think those fearful people are those with no faith in God and fear the system. Those will be people that take the mark of the beast. If your trust in the Lord and are doing your best, you are saved and not part of the fearful.
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Post by Dezi on Jan 29, 2020 13:21:42 GMT -5
IN reading this I want to say that I totally believe in Jesus and what the WOrd of God says about him... I believe it in my heart and I follow Him... what worried me back some months ago was that a minister I was listening to said that people who "fear" are not going to Heaven because in the Book of Revelation it says fearful people will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Sometimes that still plays with my mind. Is it talking about if you have never accepted Christ and are fearful then you will not go to Heaven? Because I know it's not what God wants me to be. I am sure it's even probably sinful. But, surely I am still covered by the blood because there is only one unforgivable sin?? I think those fearful people are those with no faith in God and fear the system. Those will be people that take the mark of the beast. If your trust in the Lord and are doing your best, you are saved and not part of the fearful. Thank you 777.... I have read it more than once and I think that's what it's talking about too.
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Post by joseph on Jan 29, 2020 13:48:59 GMT -5
First I will ask several questions then I will sum it all up . 1. can a person know with no doubt they are saved . 2. can a person believe they are saved and yet are not saved . To answer question number one . IF a christain does not KNOW they are saved , they are not saved . A christain must believe with all hope , all faith and all trust , THAT JESUS has done all that was required for one to be saved . IF any lacks in this , they are in dire and grave danger . Because who are we really trusting in , if we don't KNOW we are saved, NOT CHRIST , but in our own good merits . To answer number two . YES . many believe they are saved and they claim JESUS did it all , YET they don't know HIM , and their fruits show they don't . So lets sum this up . We better know we walk n the true faith . so we better KNOW its the real JESUS we love and trust in . If we love HIM , we love His every saying , we obey HIM from the heart , FOR HIS SPIRIT is in us working in us that which is well pleasing to GOD . Many love a jesus that is not compatible with the JESUS of the bible . OH they love the idea they are saved , but love not the LORD HIMSELF . And that means THEY DONT KNOW HIM and are NOT SAVED EITHER . JOHN once said test the spirits for many deceivers abound . Well we better test the spirits and make sure its not men we love above Christ and follow their contrary to Christ teachings . We better with great joy and upmost love read those bibles . learn JESUS well , and learn the apostels well . For the holy scriptures make us wise unto salvation through FAITH IN JESUS ALONE . yet many are being made wise unto SLAVATION through faith in men who teach contrary to Christ . Jesus says that some will ask Him , after resurrection, "When did we help you ? " and He tells them. They did not know before that according to Jesus. THey well might not have known, nor even thought about , whether they were "saved" or not, while they were on earth in this life.
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Post by solid on Jan 30, 2020 7:46:41 GMT -5
First I will ask several questions then I will sum it all up . 1. can a person know with no doubt they are saved . 2. can a person believe they are saved and yet are not saved . To answer question number one . IF a christain does not KNOW they are saved , they are not saved . A christain must believe with all hope , all faith and all trust , THAT JESUS has done all that was required for one to be saved . IF any lacks in this , they are in dire and grave danger . Because who are we really trusting in , if we don't KNOW we are saved, NOT CHRIST , but in our own good merits . To answer number two . YES . many believe they are saved and they claim JESUS did it all , YET they don't know HIM , and their fruits show they don't . So lets sum this up . We better know we walk n the true faith . so we better KNOW its the real JESUS we love and trust in . If we love HIM , we love His every saying , we obey HIM from the heart , FOR HIS SPIRIT is in us working in us that which is well pleasing to GOD . Many love a jesus that is not compatible with the JESUS of the bible . OH they love the idea they are saved , but love not the LORD HIMSELF . And that means THEY DONT KNOW HIM and are NOT SAVED EITHER . JOHN once said test the spirits for many deceivers abound . Well we better test the spirits and make sure its not men we love above Christ and follow their contrary to Christ teachings . We better with great joy and upmost love read those bibles . learn JESUS well , and learn the apostels well . For the holy scriptures make us wise unto salvation through FAITH IN JESUS ALONE . yet many are being made wise unto SLAVATION through faith in men who teach contrary to Christ . Jesus says that some will ask Him , after resurrection, "When did we help you ? " and He tells them. They did not know before that according to Jesus. THey well might not have known, nor even thought about , whether they were "saved" or not, while they were on earth in this life. You can know you are saved. Ask Jesus to forgive your sins and to be your Lord and Saviour and he will save you. I don't know if having doubts you are saved means you are not, but you don't have to wonder.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 30, 2020 10:14:55 GMT -5
IN reading this I want to say that I totally believe in Jesus and what the WOrd of God says about him... I believe it in my heart and I follow Him... what worried me back some months ago was that a minister I was listening to said that people who "fear" are not going to Heaven because in the Book of Revelation it says fearful people will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Sometimes that still plays with my mind. Is it talking about if you have never accepted Christ and are fearful then you will not go to Heaven? Because I know it's not what God wants me to be. I am sure it's even probably sinful. But, surely I am still covered by the blood because there is only one unforgivable sin?? This is the other part I need to add too . This does not mean if the enemy tries and trick us and puts fear in us , that one is automatically damned . What I tell those who have fear , IS SIMPLYTHIS . WHEN THE FLESH ARISES , AND woe it will , when the enemy comes in to give us fear and have us to not fully trust we are saved , You go right back and say , I believe in JESUS CHRIST and what HE DID and I shall not heed a lying spirit . Dezi , these attacks can come agasint a believer . So two things , when that fear comes on you , YOU go into prayer mode and then remind yourself , I AM SAVED , I NEED ONLY BELEIVE in the ONE WHO GOD DID SEND . And you just sing praises to the LORD and that spirit of fear will flee my dear sister . SO no worries , I KNOW the enemy tries to come and atttack our minds , its the contrary flesh too that tries to rise up and sway us . OH but also this , WE TOO will also be praying for you dear sister . Lambs pray for and look out for lambs . And the LORD desires us not to perish , and we help encourage and build one another up . YOU just leap up and sound out songs to the LORD , our vicotory is IN JESUS , and the power by which we have overcome is faith in HIM and may we all by Grace continue in HIM with all HOPE in the glorious gospel HIS WORK cannot be undone . Lets , let that sink in . THE WORK OF GOD cannot be UNDONE . THUS ALL we need to do IS BELEIVE IN THE ONE WHO GOD DID SEND and let us bear good fruit . For HIS SPIRIT will surely and does surely work in those who are HIS . SO anytime , anytime that fear even begins to creep n , YOU SHUT IT DOWN with a praise fest to the LORD , Singing , I AM HIS and TO HE be all GLORY , FOR I By grace BELEIVE IN CHRIST . And we shall be praying too .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 30, 2020 10:22:06 GMT -5
Jesus says that some will ask Him , after resurrection, "When did we help you ? " and He tells them. They did not know before that according to Jesus. THey well might not have known, nor even thought about , whether they were "saved" or not, while they were on earth in this life. You can know you are saved. Ask Jesus to forgive your sins and to be your Lord and Saviour and he will save you. I don't know if having doubts you are saved means you are not, but you don't have to wonder. read what I told sister dezi above . When or if those doubts arise , HEED them not and say , I AM SAVED by Grace , through FAITH IN CHRIST . That all who do call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved . THEN daily let us always examine and ensure we do walk in the faith . Test all men and whoever does speak , by sound doctrine . Always behold both the goodness and severity of GOD and understand that , GOD desires us to have life and desires not the death of any of us . Thus in mercy HE warns us repent when we do evil , and HE unctions us NOT to do the evil , but do the good things pleasing IN HIS SIGHT . Lambs got all hope if their HOPE IS IN JESUS , and any time that contrary flesh does rise up , Crucify it , bring even those thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ . Let us just keep digging in bibles and trusting in HIM , and May all be encouraged , and may all be on guard for the adversary rests not but goes about doing all to take captive . but KNOW that greater is HE in us , KNOW that we do have a great high priest who is able to succor us , give aide to us , through any trial and temptation , AND THUS take to prayer unto HE who is able to keep us from falling , and fall we will NOT . HEED the SPIRIT and learn sound doctrine well . And let all praise and rejoice in the LORD .
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Post by Cletus on Jan 30, 2020 22:15:50 GMT -5
i agree with the O.P. mostly. one tiny interjection. there are instances where a new born (in Spirit) does doubt if they are saved and might say, go down to altar call every Sunday to get prayer to get saved. Sunday after Sunday. and they may continue to do so until God asks them... what are you doing... I already saved you. We cant expect a babe in Christ to have the faith of a seasoned veteran. They have not even begun to walk and trust yet. I think its more beneficial for them to inquire about a specific moment where they had an encounter with God. if so point them in the direction of Him being Faithful and True. point them to deepening their relationship with God so that they may come to the faith that does not waiver... because they know.
What i speak on is apart of each of our calling, regardless of if we be called to be a pastor or a prophet or a missionary. its edification of the body. its making disciples. its being a co-worker with God to build His kingdom. How awesome it is that He has given us such a privilege. eternity now. The Kingdom has truly come.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 31, 2020 10:12:39 GMT -5
i agree with the O.P. mostly. one tiny interjection. there are instances where a new born (in Spirit) does doubt if they are saved and might say, go down to altar call every Sunday to get prayer to get saved. Sunday after Sunday. and they may continue to do so until God asks them... what are you doing... I already saved you. We cant expect a babe in Christ to have the faith of a seasoned veteran. They have not even begun to walk and trust yet. I think its more beneficial for them to inquire about a specific moment where they had an encounter with God. if so point them in the direction of Him being Faithful and True. point them to deepening their relationship with God so that they may come to the faith that does not waiver... because they know. What i speak on is apart of each of our calling, regardless of if we be called to be a pastor or a prophet or a missionary. its edification of the body. its making disciples. its being a co-worker with God to build His kingdom. How awesome it is that He has given us such a privilege. eternity now. The Kingdom has truly come. Thank you for adding this part too . YES it is what we do . we comfort the feeble minded , by REMINDING THEM of all things Our LORD did say and teach , we do point them to TRUST in HIM . we are a co worker , fellow helper of the truth . Yep . Cletus is right .
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