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Post by Giller on Feb 5, 2020 13:14:45 GMT -5
Although in regards to the second coming itself, the heavens and the earth will not pass away, but nevertheless the second coming is still a time of judgment, but at the same time it will be a time of blessing depending on which side you are on.
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Post by Dezi on Feb 5, 2020 17:33:40 GMT -5
Although in regards to the second coming itself, the heavens and the earth will not pass away, but nevertheless the second coming is still a time of judgment, but at the same time it will be a time of blessing depending on which side you are on. PRAISE THE LORD! We are on the RIGHT Side!
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Post by John on Feb 5, 2020 19:54:14 GMT -5
Although in regards to the second coming itself, the heavens and the earth will not pass away, but nevertheless the second coming is still a time of judgment, but at the same time it will be a time of blessing depending on which side you are on. Thank you Giller for all the time you have spent on this topic thus far. You have given us all a lot to think about. This is not an easy thing to figure out, which scriptures pertain to the rapture, the second coming, and you mentioned the end of the millennial reign of Christ. It is easy to get them all confused, and Bible teachers can't seem to agree on which verses pertain to which event. The most important thing to me is that we all believe Jesus Christ is coming back, and that we need to be ready for his return at any moment. We don't want to be caught off guard. He will come at a time when many will not expect him. If they are living right, they will be fine, but if they have slipped back into sin, they will be in trouble. Let us always keep our garments clean.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 0:08:19 GMT -5
2Pe 3:14 (14) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Notice the word things in the plural. Which shows that it is talking about more than one thing, and which things are the beloved looking for?
Well the promise of his coming, and the promise of new heavens and a new earth.
2Pe 3:13 (13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:4 (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 2:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 3:21:31 GMT -5
Although in regards to the second coming itself, the heavens and the earth will not pass away, but nevertheless the second coming is still a time of judgment, but at the same time it will be a time of blessing depending on which side you are on. Thank you Giller for all the time you have spent on this topic thus far. You have given us all a lot to think about. This is not an easy thing to figure out, which scriptures pertain to the rapture, the second coming, and you mentioned the end of the millennial reign of Christ. It is easy to get them all confused, and Bible teachers can't seem to agree on which verses pertain to which event. The most important thing to me is that we all believe Jesus Christ is coming back, and that we need to be ready for his return at any moment. We don't want to be caught off guard. He will come at a time when many will not expect him. If they are living right, they will be fine, but if they have slipped back into sin, they will be in trouble. Let us always keep our garments clean.
What you say here makes me think of this scripture: 2Ti 4:8 (8) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. Let us look forward to, and love his appearing.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 10:39:09 GMT -5
I used to think that the Pharisees just didn't recognize who he was but now I think they did and chose to serve Satan... they were of the house of Satan. What are your thoughts on that? I think a lot of them saw Jesus as a threat to their positions, and that is why they opposed him. Remember how Herod tried to kill the infant Jesus after the wise men came to him with news of his birth? That was because he felt his position was threatened, not because of unbelief. He was so determined to kill the Christ child, he had all children 2 years old and under slaughtered. I think a lot of the Pharisees did recognize him. Not all, but a lot of them. I think what you and Dezi are saying have total truthfulness to it, and as you said John some pharisees may have recognized him but not all.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 13:59:56 GMT -5
Under the old testament there are a lot more verses on the second coming, than there is on his first coming, and concerning the whole entirety of the bible (new testament, old testament) there are a lot more verses on the second coming of Christ than there is on the rapture of the church. But just because it is so, does not make those other doctrines invalid. Upon thinking more upon this, especially on the first coming of Christ part, if you look at things symbolically, there is a lot more things in that way that point to his first coming (animal sacrifices etc.), especially in regards to the cross, than there are things symbolically that point to the second coming. Although who knows how many things symbolically that point to the second coming.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 14:00:53 GMT -5
I think a lot of them saw Jesus as a threat to their positions, and that is why they opposed him. Remember how Herod tried to kill the infant Jesus after the wise men came to him with news of his birth? That was because he felt his position was threatened, not because of unbelief. He was so determined to kill the Christ child, he had all children 2 years old and under slaughtered. I think a lot of the Pharisees did recognize him. Not all, but a lot of them. I think what you and Dezi are saying have total truthfulness to it, and as you said John some pharisees may have recognized him but not all. And either way they were walking in darkness. But then again, here is a scripture to really ponder upon, which I just thought upon: Mat 16:1-3 (1) The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. (2) He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. (3) And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
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Post by solid on Feb 6, 2020 16:53:46 GMT -5
Thank you Giller for all the time you have spent on this topic thus far. You have given us all a lot to think about. This is not an easy thing to figure out, which scriptures pertain to the rapture, the second coming, and you mentioned the end of the millennial reign of Christ. It is easy to get them all confused, and Bible teachers can't seem to agree on which verses pertain to which event. The most important thing to me is that we all believe Jesus Christ is coming back, and that we need to be ready for his return at any moment. We don't want to be caught off guard. He will come at a time when many will not expect him. If they are living right, they will be fine, but if they have slipped back into sin, they will be in trouble. Let us always keep our garments clean.
What you say here makes me think of this scripture: 2Ti 4:8 (8) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. Let us look forward to, and love his appearing. I understand how some believe in a pre-tribulation rapture and some just the second coming. I am pre-trib, but the ones I can't figure out at all are the mid-tribulation believers and where they get that from?
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Post by 777 on Feb 10, 2020 8:58:24 GMT -5
What you say here makes me think of this scripture: 2Ti 4:8 (8) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. Let us look forward to, and love his appearing. I understand how some believe in a pre-tribulation rapture and some just the second coming. I am pre-trib, but the ones I can't figure out at all are the mid-tribulation believers and where they get that from? I think that some look at the 144,000. Some believe the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years won't be bad, but I don't agree with that at all. The entire 7 years will be awful. I am not sure how they developed their timeline?
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2020 21:21:51 GMT -5
The repent word sure is hated In this generation . BUT LET us look at our own conversion . I used to wallow in sin and loved it , I practiced almost every sin , cept maybe homosexuality , and I loved it . THEN the Grace of GOD appeared , THEN the marvelous Grace of GOD appeared and drew me to CHRIST and put me in That bible . But what else occurred , GOD had put the desire of doing good into my heart , GOD had flipped my entire conscious around by putting HIS LOVE for HE above all , which means I now LOVED HIS TRUTH . And the old man and his desires , FLED . It was in an instant that my whole desires changed . THIS did not nor does not mean that sin was not present in my flesh any longer , IT was , but what did happen was the more GOD worked on me by His SPIRIT and HIS WORDS in that bible the more I seen it as extremely sinful. many sins I had not even seen as wrong , BECAME SO WRONG and vile and evil in my own site . THAT was the WORKING of GOD , which comes unto lambs WHOSE FAITH has been placed IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE . Even the scriptures , coupled WITH HIS SPIRIT , led me into a place where I had no choice but to CRY OUT from the whole heart , LORD save me from even the evils of my own flesh . IT was the grace of GOD truly drawing me to a total dependence on CHRIST for any kind of hope or salvation or way out of any sin . GOD DID THAT . HE DID . But here is the thing this generation is also so in large blind to , THEY have no idea what really hardens a heart . HOW can a lamb start out so right by and in grace and then fall. SIN . SIN WILL and I do mean IN TIME IT WILL HARDEN THAT HEART . IT WILL DO IT . THAT is why folks fall away , THAT is why JESUS so often warned about NOT continuing in sin , or Paul would say exhort daily lest YE DO become hardended THROUGH the deceitfulness of sin . FOLKS today have no idea that sin will harden that heart , cause they think its impossible to fall away . Many doctrines have men , have caused the churches to grow only worse . Teach a man to behold both the goodness and severity of GOD and that is what they will learn and that pattern will keep them wise not to do error , wise to cling to GOD for all help , wise to know we must endure faithful to the end , wise to work that salvation out through fear and trembling . IT will make the wise to keep correcting any who does err , to build the church up , to fight the true fight , to die daily , to cling to Christ for all aide , all help . But many teach not the severity of GOD and thus teach a goodness not even compatible WITH GOD . IF we do not behold BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD , look out . DID NOT even paul talk greatly of the goodness of GOD , YET he warned out about the severity of GOD TOO . LOOK how he warned that church and said , DONT BE like that , done take one to court , DO You not know that the unrighteous WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of GOD . DID not jude warn about what happens IF WE KEEP NOT our first estate , and he used the examples of angels and of israel and so forth . DID not peter warn about what happens if one returns to the pit and is overcome and how the latter end will be even worse . FOLKS we need TO BOTH SPEAK and BEHOLD on BOTH THE GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD . and another great example IS FOUND in the very message to the seven churches . ONE can sum it up likethis , CONTINUE IN CHRIST or else , CONTINUE IN THE GOODNESS OF GOD , or else , , REPENT if one does err, OR ELSE . AND let us know and understand , so as not to be wise in our own eyes , THAT THIS TOO is simply the SPIRIT of GOD at work in us , WHICH DOES Unction us to do the good and not the evil . It is the goodness of GOD that even led us to repentance . BUT we , by the SPIRIT would remain TEACHING the same first PATTERN given us IN THE BIBLE for all things . ITSWHAT the SPRIIT DOES , KEEPS US FOCUSED ON WHAT JESUS TAUGHT and we KNOW now by grace , THAT what the apostels taught , WAS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT , they taught NO CONTRADICTIONS TO HIM , THEY TAUGHT HIM ,BY THE SPIRIIT . WE NEED , OH DEAR HOW WE NEED to return to JUST the original and pure pattern JESUS FIRST TAUGHT and the apostels would later teach and write . The word repent is hated today, but since it remains in the Bible, it's meaning has been changed by false teachers. The Bible tells us to repent of our sins, but the false teachers say we are to repent of unbelief. This is a serious corruption. You believe or you don't. You can't on your own decide to repent of not believing and magically have faith. If you believe however, that faith will lead you to repent of your sinful lifestyle to obey God. Biblical repentance is about obedience, not belief. Belief leads us to obey. It is a way of changing the plain meaning of the Bible, and things that John the Baptist and Jesus said, and make it suit their sinful lusts.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2020 21:23:45 GMT -5
The word repent is hated today, but since it remains in the Bible, it's meaning has been changed by false teachers. The Bible tells us to repent of our sins, but the false teachers say we are to repent of unbelief. This is a serious corruption. You believe or you don't. You can't on your own decide to repent of not believing and magically have faith. If you believe however, that faith will lead you to repent of your sinful lifestyle to obey God. Biblical repentance is about obedience, not belief. Belief leads us to obey. Many do twist this word. Yet in truth we know it was GOD alone who even led us to repent of all our evils . A stronger saying is , LOVE is about Obediance . FOR who we love , what we love is what we obey and do . The proof of our love is not in words alone , but in deed and in action . Do our actions match our words . For a man can say , I LOVE JESUS , OH I LOVE HIM . But do they really have that love , if they can willfully omit and twist things HE has said . Does a man really love what he wont do . Does a man really love TRUTH . IF we truly have HIS LOVE in our hearts , then we LOVE HIM above everything and everyone . And His sayings are not grieveious , rather they are embrace , loved , done , with JOY . Truly happy is the one who hears and does HIS sayings . They have been planted BY THE LORD . They have been planted by the FATHER and HONOR the SON thus HONORING the FATHER WHO SENT HIM . Unbelief IS SIN . Ye shall die in your sins , IF you believe not that I am HE . But do notice something , JESUS also says to those who BELEIVED on HIM , IF you continue in ME the truth shall set you free . Repentance is GOD given , as you KNOW already , I say this to remind us though . I know many men twist this or that , they come with part truth and then part lie . which makes it deadly . Example . I could say the exact gospel all day , and yet am I saved if I am still In darkness loving sin . NOPE . its head knowledge only . SEE many people are in grave danger . THEY sure love the fact that JESUS saves , YET don't LOVE HIM . and I tell you these are not saved either . You are exactly right Frienduff. If we don't obey the Lord, we don't love the Lord. If we don't obey the Lord, he is not our Lord. We are only fooling ourselves.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 11, 2020 22:25:09 GMT -5
Many do twist this word. Yet in truth we know it was GOD alone who even led us to repent of all our evils . A stronger saying is , LOVE is about Obediance . FOR who we love , what we love is what we obey and do . The proof of our love is not in words alone , but in deed and in action . Do our actions match our words . For a man can say , I LOVE JESUS , OH I LOVE HIM . But do they really have that love , if they can willfully omit and twist things HE has said . Does a man really love what he wont do . Does a man really love TRUTH . IF we truly have HIS LOVE in our hearts , then we LOVE HIM above everything and everyone . And His sayings are not grieveious , rather they are embrace , loved , done , with JOY . Truly happy is the one who hears and does HIS sayings . They have been planted BY THE LORD . They have been planted by the FATHER and HONOR the SON thus HONORING the FATHER WHO SENT HIM . Unbelief IS SIN . Ye shall die in your sins , IF you believe not that I am HE . But do notice something , JESUS also says to those who BELEIVED on HIM , IF you continue in ME the truth shall set you free . Repentance is GOD given , as you KNOW already , I say this to remind us though . I know many men twist this or that , they come with part truth and then part lie . which makes it deadly . Example . I could say the exact gospel all day , and yet am I saved if I am still In darkness loving sin . NOPE . its head knowledge only . SEE many people are in grave danger . THEY sure love the fact that JESUS saves , YET don't LOVE HIM . and I tell you these are not saved either . You are exactly right Frienduff. If we don't obey the Lord, we don't love the Lord. If we don't obey the Lord, he is not our Lord. We are only fooling ourselves. tick tock that clock has struck . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT about that butero . Spot on right . and its why many will hear , I never knew you , who worked what , INQUITY . See, me truly knows and thinks this generation is in dire trouble . REMEMBER what paul said , who we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE and what we sow to is what we will reap .
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Post by 777 on Feb 18, 2020 9:40:53 GMT -5
You are exactly right Frienduff. If we don't obey the Lord, we don't love the Lord. If we don't obey the Lord, he is not our Lord. We are only fooling ourselves. tick tock that clock has struck . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT about that butero . Spot on right . and its why many will hear , I never knew you , who worked what , INQUITY . See, me truly knows and thinks this generation is in dire trouble . REMEMBER what paul said , who we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE and what we sow to is what we will reap . Those who are cast out are workers of iniquity, sinful professing saints. It is funny how even this gets spun by false teachers.
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