They say Canada is one of the best places to live , think again its becoming one of the worst places to live if you luv freedom!!
Yes...whatever happened to the true north strong and FREE?
And what's worse, sadly it's grieving that this very same spirit is alive and well in many churches.....the RCC of course as well as most protestant churches. And for that and other reasons the Lord is judging His house. We need to do better than the RCC and serving up a letter that kills.....that puts people under bondage (which is bowing down to an idol) instead of serving the Lord in the liberty and freedom of the children of God. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is FREEDOM. My, these are such serious and sobering times.
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
And David saith, Let their table (spiritual food - letter that kills) be made a snare (bondage), and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
The issue to me is whether or not Canada is operating in an unconstitutional manner. It is not whether or not they afford the citizens enough freedom. The governing document is the nation's Constitution. They need to abide by the letter of that document according to original intent. What causes problems is when people go away from the letter, not when they abide by it too much. What I gather from this video is that the author of this book is claiming the government is operating outside of the Constitution, and they probably are.
As far as the Christian Church goes, the Bible is like our Constitution. We need to abide by what it says. It tells us what our King expects of us. The church members are citizens of God's Kingdom, and a Kingdom is not a free society at all. Whatever the King decrees goes. We are not free to decide which decrees to obey and which decrees to ignore. We are not autonomous.
"WHO is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? a man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him. Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou? Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment." Ecclesiastes 8:1-5
Jesus Christ is our King. He is our supreme ruler. We don't have free elections to decide who leads the Kingdom of God. Jesus is our eternal King. The Bible says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. If the church is being judged for anything, it is rebelling against God's order, not lacking freedom.
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10
"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." John 15:14
Notice that it says commandments, not suggestions. It is a complete perversion to claim that we obey the Lord by having the freedom to disregard what he says when we want to. That is what it would mean to be autonomous. That is what it would mean to say he doesn't force us to obey. If Jesus wasn't forcing the church in Ephesus with a threat, I don't know what anyone would call what he did?
"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; OR ELSE I WILL COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY, AND WILL REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE, EXCEPT THOU REPENT." Revelation 2::5
That is a threat to destroy their church, because the candlestick represents their church, and Jesus said that if they don't do what he said, that is what he will do...a threat.
As far as the way of the Spirit goes, Jesus gave us an example of that. He showed us how we serve one another without giving up our authority.
"Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." John 13:12-13
Jesus never ceased to be Master and Lord over us. We still have to do what he says. At the same time, he washed the disciples feet. Why? It was a need. His example is that those who are in leaderships not be as uncaring tyrants who rule with an iron fist but don't care about the needs of those who are under them in authority. In John 13:16-17, Jesus says...
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
Jesus didn't tell us the way of the Spirit is that we choose when to obey, and he never once implied we are autonomous. He taught us to be humble enough to do what was needed for the good of those who are under us in authority.
"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." Hebrews 13:17
The scripture you like to quote, out of context might I add, is 2 Corinthians 3:6-8
"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?"
He is speaking of a change in covenants. He is saying that the letter of the Old Covenant killeth, not that obeying the New Covenant kills. What kind of sense would that make? Jesus commands us to do things, as do the Apostles, and you are teaching we obey what we feel like and you call that being led of the Spirit instead of the letter. That is a complete misrepresentation of what is being taught. The Old Covenant that God gave through Moses is what kills, not following the New Testament teachings to the letter. If I was to take what you are saying serious, I am not to follow everything Jesus said to the letter or that the Apostles said to the letter, because doing so would be death. I need to be free to disobey now and then. That makes no sense.
In many places throughout the New Testament, we are told to obey those who have the rule over us and to submit to authorities. So what of this one passage that is being thrown around?
"Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." Mark 10:42-45
This all happened after there was a dispute among the disciples as to who should be the greatest in God's Kingdom. Jesus was not telling them that those in authority have no authority, and those who are rulers can't rule. That makes no sense. He is telling them that if they want to be great in God's Kingdom, here is how you do it. Be a servant leader. Make sure that the needs of those you are in authority over are met. Don't just throw your authority around, but be willing to stoop down to lend a hand when needed. Be willing to do what you must to make sure everyone's needs are met. That is what you need to do if you want to be great in God's Kingdom.
The fact of the matter is, if you happen to be stuck under a tyrant, you are not autonomous and able to do your own thing and rebel. He is giving instructions about how those desiring to be great in the Kingdom of God can be great. It is to the leaders, not the people they are in authority over. Jesus is not giving the okay to rebel if the leadership doesn't follow this.
I don't know what the op has to do with the way this thread has turned, but you helped clear up some things for me 777. Everything you said fits. I knew that what Watchful was saying was wrong and went against a lot of the New Testament, but I didn't fully get it all till now. Good meat there 777.
I don't know what the op has to do with the way this thread has turned, but you helped clear up some things for me 777 . Everything you said fits. I knew that what Watchful was saying was wrong and went against a lot of the New Testament, but I didn't fully get it all till now. Good meat there 777.
I am glad something good is coming out of this. The thread's purpose was derailed right off the bat to continue the same battle that was taking place in other threads. I felt like I had to set the record straight, because she is taking scriptures out of context to create her doctrine that says that authority today is limited to suggestions. I don't think it is original doctrine either. I think some people with an agenda dreamed this up. They spent time trying to make the Bible say what they wanted it to say. You would never come to the conclusions Watchful has if you just read the New Testament. And she calls this spiritual insight. You have to be super spiritual to get it, and obviously she is, and we are carnal. It is delusional.
It's not my intention to get into a conversation about authority and submission here.
All I know is there is a right way and a wrong way to serve the Lord....the wrong way is bondage and idolatry and the right way is in the liberty of the Holy Spirit. And scripture says they that are in the flesh cannot please the Lord. (In case it helps, I'm very familiar with the kind of spirit that infects both Canada as well as Roman Catholicism, because I was raised in Catholicism while growing up in Canada.)
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MMM> Watchful> keep posting your thoughts ! do I like some posting on this forum as a whole! NOT AT ALL!
That is okay Hadley. I have a pretty good idea what you are about, though I do have some unanswered questions. It seems like you dropped out of sight for a long time and re-emerged. What brought you back? I know why you would dislike this forum as a whole. You come across to me as someone who holds to Independent Baptist doctrine, and believe it because someone convinced you it is true.
You are clearly a person of faith, but you don't come across as someone who has a lot of Bible knowledge. I wonder if you have read the Bible straight through even once? You come across as someone who has placed your faith in certain teachers, and you accept what they say as truth. You would do good to take an objective look at scripture without the influence of your favorite teachers, and see if what you are being told is really found in the Bible? I know they can pick verses from one place or another and make them appear to be right, but I mean, if you just read the New Testament, does it really say what you have been taught? Think about it. Enjoy.
Post by letmebefrank on Jan 31, 2020 23:16:05 GMT -5
You come across to me as someone who holds to Independent Baptist doctrine, and believe it because someone convinced you it is true.
About 1967 this paster rolled out the scroll once a year and my knees could not get over what I sitting on! every year for some time but I still did not understand and he rolled it out once a year for week >what was it!! The scroll of the Tribulation!! >>Yes you got it Right>> 19677> this Guy had it right ! and NOW people at the end of the end just cant get it right !I just smile and think of that paster in 1967 was all keyed up and in 2020 pasters Know nothing of whats to come!
Tabitha3319: At our church, God has been speaking to us through tongues and interpretation
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John: I have been in many services where that occurred, not so much lately. It was common back in the 80s.
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Tabitha3319: I often just feel led to pray for miraculous healing.
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Tabitha3319: Once, it affected the person immediately
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John: That is good. I was watching "It's Supernatural" the other day, and one of the guests was this lady who had been praying for the sick and seeing miracles since she was a little child. She just believed God would do it, and He did.
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John: I think the first time she healed someone was when she was 5 years old. The faith of a child!
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Tabitha3319: Faith can be so simple sometimes.
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Tabitha3319: John, Im going to get ready for sleep. Thanks for praying and chatting.
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John: Let me know the results of the test when you add it all up. Have a good night's rest. I need to get to bed too. I have to deliver a load in the morning before heading home. God bless.
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Tabitha3319: Okay. God bless you too
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John: Goodnight to you too notme. May the Lord bless you too.
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Giller: Hi me brothers and sisters
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ohhello: Good evening. Let’s all keep focused on the biblical Lord Jesus and stay reading our KJV Bibles. You are all loved and prayed for.
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frienduff: Hello giller , john and all . Let us praise our glorious Lord .
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John: Hello everyone. Praise and honor and glory to King Jesus. No matter what we face, He is with us.
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