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Post by 777 on Feb 3, 2020 10:16:37 GMT -5
There are a lot of false teachers today, but how many of them really know they are false? Sure, there are Elmer Gantry types who are in it for the money, and will say whatever they need to in order to draw a crowd, but I think more times than not, most of the false teachers think they are right. They will even say and do things that are underhanded and justify it by saying to themselves that the ends justify the means.
How do sincere people become false teachers? Some go to seminaries that lead them astray. Others put their faith in the false teachers on radio or television, or believe in a local Pastor that is false. Something I appreciate that brother John and Frienduff does is push us to read our Bible. That is the only way to know if what others told us is true. Are you believing what you do because you know it is right because you learned it reading your KJV Bible, or are you believing because a preacher or teacher said something is right? If you are going to stand for something, know for certain you are in the truth.
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Post by solid on Feb 3, 2020 11:39:47 GMT -5
I agree with much of the OP, but I think most of the big name false teachers know they are false but are making merchandise of the church. The members are probably sincere.
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Post by joseph on Feb 4, 2020 10:04:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of false teachers today, but how many of them really know they are false? ... ... ...
How apropos: Just posted 11 minutes ago before I saw this thread / topic here already:
copied / pasted from other thread to here:
Post by joseph on 11 minutes ago (Perhaps for a different thread?) "
An example of how great and how deep the worldwide deception (of pharmakeia) is: From a 'supposed' authority? (don't really know this source, btw, just using it as an example of 'supposed' truth, preached as if solid truth) : www.biblebc.com/Ask_A_Question/absolute_proof_of_the_bible.htmPage TITLE: Absolute Proof of the Reliability and Infallibility of the Bible a short excerpt from that page: "SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY Many sceptics make the claim that the Bible is filled with erroneous “bad science” and many people have the false impression that the Bible says things like ‘the earth is flat’ and that ‘our planet is the centre of the universe’, however the Bible never makes these primitive claims. Many of the greatest scientists you may be surprised to know were actually Bible believing Christians. Men like the chemist Robert Boyle, Isaac Newton, lord Kelvin (creator of the science of thermodynamics) and .........................................................................Louis Pasteur ..................................................... all firmly believed in the Bible as the word of God and in creation. So it isn’t surprising that the Bible contains so much scientific accuracy well ahead of its time. This is undeniable proof that it is supernatural in origin. Here are just a handful of the many advanced scientific statements in the Scripture." ================================================================================================================================================================== Conclusion: that page, that source, needs to be tested, because Pasteur was a scoundrel, a thief, a liar, and greedy. (and pharmakeia(Revelation 18) goes along with the deceptions/ profits/ greed/ death dealing) "
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Post by frienduff on Feb 4, 2020 10:23:53 GMT -5
I agree with much of the OP, but I think most of the big name false teachers know they are false but are making merchandise of the church. The members are probably sincere. They actually believe a lie . Remember when GOD said HE will answer a man according to the idols of their heart . THESE MEN have been given over to a delusion now . They loved money , they did not trust GOD , they were coveteous and thus to them a image of God did they create that would fulfill their own desires . AND GOD ALLOWED IT . If a man loves not GOD , but holds covetousness In his heart , which is idolatry same as bowing to images and so forth , and that man heeds not the warnings of his error , but continues on till he finds a god of his own making , AND WOE THEY DID , and that is why it is as it is . Also remember this . WHO people sit and gather under , WHY do they sit and gather under them in the first place . WHY does a true christain sit under Christ and love only truth The same reason why many sit under the false . WE SIT UNDER and HEAR from , WHAT GIVES US OUR HEARTS DESIRE . AKA they KNOW HIM NOT man . THEY KNOW NOT CHRIST . They desire to be saved , Sure , but they desire to be saved by a god of their own making , one that feeds the flesh . JESUS , HIS LAMBS heed not the voice of strangers . THEY HEEED the VOICE of the great shepard , and thus they can have no , find no peace if they are sitting under those who teach or preach contrary to THE SHEPARD . Lambs can only have peace and joy , HEEDING the LAMB and hearing THOSE WHO TRULY DO HEED HIM TOO . A lamb will have no peace when men speak lies and twist things . Even if they do not yet understand , they have no peace . Believe me , I KNOW . Even as a babe I would visit churches , and the praise was great , but when it came time for the doctrine , OL FRIENDUFF had zero peace , such an emptiness and no fulfillment . JESUS has the LAMBS my friend . KEPT me safe . I learned by His grace , which put me into ONE BOOK , the bible , and in time I began to find out WHY I had no peace if I turned on TBN , why I had no peace when I sat in many churches . Because as knowledge came , by reading the bible , I knew oh dear , THEY FALSE . YET JESUS HAD ME on day one , HE ALONE kept me back from the lies and mix of men . HE ALONE did that . HE alone did that and HE keeps me still . In the end folks will sit under what their hearts desire . AND IF that heart is not OF GOD , not filled by HIM , not converted , not changed , THEN MY friend their love will be for the flesh . GOD alone put the LOVE FOR TRUTH UPON MY HEART , IT was HIS WORK , HE drew me to faith in CHRIST and HE PUT the LOVE OF TRUTH upon my heart . AM I special , was I some special man that GOD looked down upon and said THERE is a man who does good , NOPE I was one of the worst , WHEN the grace of GOD found me . AND drew me to CHRIST and not to men who teach contrary , but put me with great love into ONE BOOK . Oh I pray for an allout first faith , first love pouring down upon all lambs . Time is running out and the deception of the deceiver slows not but abounds and pours into every house , and every church and every place and heart of any WHOSE CENTER IS NOT CHRIST . BE ENCOURAGED SOLID .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 4, 2020 10:35:56 GMT -5
I agree with much of the OP, but I think most of the big name false teachers know they are false but are making merchandise of the church. The members are probably sincere. Let all lambs be ever diligent on the things that be of GOD . Learning with great joy and hunger the words of truth inspired by GOD . Time is running out my friend . The delusion of all delusions has began filling the nations , lands , world , churches and hearts and minds of all who are contrary to Christ , of all who rejected the TRUTH . And my friend , it is taking and will take all captive unto its solution and will merge them as one mind , one heart , one voice to be as ONE ONLY it aint under or being ONE IN CHRIST , But under the beast . It has grown in strength and in number and will continue to grow till it unifies all as one under the beast . it lies to them , tells them a false love , it tells them and gives them an all inclusive image o god . And they are buying it my friend . they are buying it . It sells to all religions , its lie in a way that panders to their own mind in their own religion and its a unifying force at work , and my friend its been around since the the garden , its been in this world a long time . ONLY NOW it grows massive , for the time of the end approaches . And the time of the great falling away is increasing mega fold . Let all have no fear , but let none be naïve either . let us do all to contend for the true faith , let the lambs do exploits .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 4, 2020 10:43:24 GMT -5
Many us of will be killed and persecuted as the unifier of the lie , increases his lie into the hearts of all who have rejected Christ . This delusion cannot and will not be stopped , WELL NOT TILL THE DAY OF JESUS ANYWAY . It will grow only worse . WELL , by grace let not a lamb lay down in fear before it , LET us arise and do all out battle in the name of the LORD , by pointing to HE ALONE by expounding sound doctrine , exposing the lies and the lie and if it costs us our life , THEN AMEN , And if we live and remain unto THE COMING OF OUR LORD AMEN . EITHER WAY the WILL OF GOD BE DONE . ARISE and STAND united in CHRIST , as the darkness swells , let us by the light expose it and do alll to contend for the true faith . We cannot stop it , it will increase , BUT WE can warn against it and we can point to CHRIST ALONE and fight the fight faithful to the end , FOR WE CAN , DO all things through Christ who STRENGTHENS US and GREATER IS HE IN US than he who is of the world . ARSISE and put on all armour of the LORD , for the enemy comes as a flood to deceive and take all captive , RESIST HIM by our faith in CHRIST and do exploits , having no fear of what man can do . GOD IS OUR HELPER and whether we live or die , WE BELONG TO HIM . ARISE and man those trenches and from land to land , sea to sea proclaim the glorious and true gospel of our LORD .
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 13:38:35 GMT -5
There are people out there that know they are spreading lies. They have an agenda of some sort. Since this thread was to address those who are sincere, but sincerely wrong, lets look at that group of people for a moment. Saul, later to be known as the Apostle Paul, was sincere. He really believed a lie, as he went about persecuting the church. There are people like that in the church. We have people like that visit Narrow Way and who are members here. When we hear something, and believe it, and it becomes part of us, we go around repeating our beliefs. All of us need to look inside to figure out why we believe what we believe? Are we really in the truth?
When it comes to doctrinal issues, we are so blessed in America to have access to God's Word. Still, we have people who are too lazy to read it. We find charismatic teachers we latch onto, and follow them without question. Are you really going to put that much trust in an individual? When I first got saved, I placed a lot of faith in Jimmy Swaggart. I placed a lot of faith in my Pastor. Still, I kept reading the Bible, and when they said things that I knew contradicted scripture, I rejected it. No man or woman will be right all of the time. I encourage everyone to read the Bible for your own good.
Think about this for a minute. Look at all the voices that are out there, just on television. You have big name preachers like Charles Stanley, T.D. Jakes, Jimmy Swaggart, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, John Macarthur, Joel Osteen, Rod Parsley, etc.,and they all have different doctrines. I can tell you that not one of them is right on everything. Some are better than others, but the point is, they all contradict each other. People follow them blindly. How do you know if they are telling you the truth? Know your Bible. That is the only way. Read your Bible, and let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 8, 2020 14:15:22 GMT -5
There are people out there that know they are spreading lies. They have an agenda of some sort. Since this thread was to address those who are sincere, but sincerely wrong, lets look at that group of people for a moment. Saul, later to be known as the Apostle Paul, was sincere. He really believed a lie, as he went about persecuting the church. There are people like that in the church. We have people like that visit Narrow Way and who are members here. When we hear something, and believe it, and it becomes part of us, we go around repeating our beliefs. All of us need to look inside to figure out why we believe what we believe? Are we really in the truth?
When it comes to doctrinal issues, we are so blessed in America to have access to God's Word. Still, we have people who are too lazy to read it. We find charismatic teachers we latch onto, and follow them without question. Are you really going to put that much trust in an individual? When I first got saved, I placed a lot of faith in Jimmy Swaggart. I placed a lot of faith in my Pastor. Still, I kept reading the Bible, and when they said things that I knew contradicted scripture, I rejected it. No man or woman will be right all of the time. I encourage everyone to read the Bible for your own good.
Think about this for a minute. Look at all the voices that are out there, just on television. You have big name preachers like Charles Stanley, T.D. Jakes, Jimmy Swaggart, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, John Macarthur, Joel Osteen, Rod Parsley, etc.,and they all have different doctrines. I can tell you that not one of them is right on everything. Some are better than others, but the point is, they all contradict each other. People follow them blindly. How do you know if they are telling you the truth? Know your Bible. That is the only way. Read your Bible, and let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth.
Now that list contains Mob who will receive MOB in the days ahead , lest they repent of their evil . The first mob , is men of belial who will take the MARK OF the BEAST . You are on the right path butero , and I long to hear the day when not only will you expose them , but will know with no doubt , THEMS MEN and WOMEN of BELIAL . But you are on the right path .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 8, 2020 14:18:26 GMT -5
HEAR ye one and hear YE all . If any leader is OF or attached to nar or the charasmetic movement or of cessationism . YA BETTER FLEE . The list is just too long for me to type . IF any is of the unity and great awakening movement , FLEE and never look back . If leaders or any are amongs the liberal movment , FLEE and don't look back . IF any is of the unity with Catholics movment , no matter how well they try and claoke it , FLEE and never look back . An infection of mass proprotions has been injected into these dangerous ones , and the only cure for this pandemic , or belief in it , IS JESUS and STUDY THAT BIBLE like never before .
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 14:21:28 GMT -5
There are people out there that know they are spreading lies. They have an agenda of some sort. Since this thread was to address those who are sincere, but sincerely wrong, lets look at that group of people for a moment. Saul, later to be known as the Apostle Paul, was sincere. He really believed a lie, as he went about persecuting the church. There are people like that in the church. We have people like that visit Narrow Way and who are members here. When we hear something, and believe it, and it becomes part of us, we go around repeating our beliefs. All of us need to look inside to figure out why we believe what we believe? Are we really in the truth?
When it comes to doctrinal issues, we are so blessed in America to have access to God's Word. Still, we have people who are too lazy to read it. We find charismatic teachers we latch onto, and follow them without question. Are you really going to put that much trust in an individual? When I first got saved, I placed a lot of faith in Jimmy Swaggart. I placed a lot of faith in my Pastor. Still, I kept reading the Bible, and when they said things that I knew contradicted scripture, I rejected it. No man or woman will be right all of the time. I encourage everyone to read the Bible for your own good.
Think about this for a minute. Look at all the voices that are out there, just on television. You have big name preachers like Charles Stanley, T.D. Jakes, Jimmy Swaggart, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, John Macarthur, Joel Osteen, Rod Parsley, etc.,and they all have different doctrines. I can tell you that not one of them is right on everything. Some are better than others, but the point is, they all contradict each other. People follow them blindly. How do you know if they are telling you the truth? Know your Bible. That is the only way. Read your Bible, and let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth.
Now that list contains Mob who will receive MOB in the days ahead , lest they repent of their evil . The first mob , is men of belial who will take the MARK OF the BEAST . You are on the right path butero , and I long to hear the day when not only will you expose them , but will know with no doubt , THEMS MEN and WOMEN of BELIAL . But you are on the right path . There isn't one man on that list that I have any confidence in. I was only using them as examples because their doctrine is so diverse, and people place all their faith in them. Not one of them is fully in the truth. I would say they range from totally false to false 20 to 30 percent of the time. John Hagee may be the best on the list, but where he is off is very serious. He has blinders on with regard to Israel. Jimmy Swaggart is better than a lot on the list, but there is a lot of sin in the camp. The others I wouldn't listen to at all.
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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 9:30:09 GMT -5
Now that list contains Mob who will receive MOB in the days ahead , lest they repent of their evil . The first mob , is men of belial who will take the MARK OF the BEAST . You are on the right path butero , and I long to hear the day when not only will you expose them , but will know with no doubt , THEMS MEN and WOMEN of BELIAL . But you are on the right path . There isn't one man on that list that I have any confidence in. I was only using them as examples because their doctrine is so diverse, and people place all their faith in them. Not one of them is fully in the truth. I would say they range from totally false to false 20 to 30 percent of the time. John Hagee may be the best on the list, but where he is off is very serious. He has blinders on with regard to Israel. Jimmy Swaggart is better than a lot on the list, but there is a lot of sin in the camp. The others I wouldn't listen to at all.
When you turn on "Christian" radio and television today, you get one false teacher after another. Why do Christians keep listening to them? I have a theory. I think it makes them feel good about themselves, that they listen to preaching instead of worldly programs. They don't consider that those slick talking preachers are filling their heads full of deadly poison.
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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 9:34:30 GMT -5
It is the same thing with the "Christian" singers. Christians listen to them on the radio, buy their music, go to their concerts, even though the things they sing about are often false or not Christian at all.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 21:05:48 GMT -5
Now that list contains Mob who will receive MOB in the days ahead , lest they repent of their evil . The first mob , is men of belial who will take the MARK OF the BEAST . You are on the right path butero , and I long to hear the day when not only will you expose them , but will know with no doubt , THEMS MEN and WOMEN of BELIAL . But you are on the right path . There isn't one man on that list that I have any confidence in. I was only using them as examples because their doctrine is so diverse, and people place all their faith in them. Not one of them is fully in the truth. I would say they range from totally false to false 20 to 30 percent of the time. John Hagee may be the best on the list, but where he is off is very serious. He has blinders on with regard to Israel. Jimmy Swaggart is better than a lot on the list, but there is a lot of sin in the camp. The others I wouldn't listen to at all.
Just think about how false john hagee really is . If a man has truly been following JESUS , why would he teach as he does concerning Israel , unless HE had been given over to a reprobate mind . Butero as a simple babe I knew both jews and gentiles needed JESUS . truth is , as a babe I knew all did . THINK about that first faith and love . This is truly the problem . lots of folks can have some doctrines so dead on right , and yet be false . LOOK at how dead on right ROME has the trinity for example . And yet ……………………………... This is the problem with so many . And this problem I speak of , don't make them necessarily lost , but it can lead to bigger problems . the problem I speak of is , A TRUE SEASONED LEADER OF GOD would never be led down these paths . And if a true leader did err , cause even peter did , HOW fast GOD WOULD SEND ONE TO CORRECT and they would repent . You would be amazed at how well even the Pharisees and priests knew solid truths , YET DID NOT KNOW THE TRUTH . Butero this is the thing I keep trying to get us to see . The problem is , most folks don't know that the overwhelming majority of these people as well as people , jump right into ministry OR the reasons they even entered was all about the glory of man , aka self , aka me gonna have a big church , me gonna etc . THEY ENTERED into convenant and desire but of what , of something that pertains to self glory , self recognition . YET they know lots of truths . All I can do , is remain the course that by grace I am on . and I remember my first day unto now . Butero I was raised in no church , and not a one of those men , nor any held or hold any influence . ITS the bible alone , by grace alone . WE must start over fresh . There is no such thing as part time false . Either they are false or they are not. Leaders should not be as these men . We must unlearn the wisdom of men which has done great harm to the churches . Butero , I am concerned and worried for many folks . The right path is to flee these men and just dig in bibles . I wish , what was done to me by GODS mercy and grace , would be done to all . And no sir I am not saying nor thinking I am some great thing , I just wish folks would flee all them teachers , would flee the desire and want to have to sit and listen to men , even when men have said errors . My prayer will be a total all out full first faith , first hope , first love , work of GOD to increase in all our hearts .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 21:18:48 GMT -5
It is the same thing with the "Christian" singers. Christians listen to them on the radio, buy their music, go to their concerts, even though the things they sing about are often false or not Christian at all. You know that their music sounds like to me . And I so what you to visualize this . Imagine a Siamese cat dipped in boiling oil and a Rottweiler whose privy end is caught in a ten ton vice grip . NOW visualize the combo of that SOUND , and that is how their music sounds like to my soul . NOT GOOD . guess I could have just said not good , but sometimes the description helps make the POINT more CLEAR .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 21:19:43 GMT -5
Not a sweet sounding DEUT eh .
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