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Post by Giller on Feb 5, 2020 14:18:23 GMT -5
This thread is a discussion on the day of Pentecost, but specifically the specific one that happened at the beginning of the book of Acts.
Although it would still be nice for people to share a bit on what the general day of Pentecost was all about, and the meaning of the word.
I have studied this many times myself.
But one main focus, I want to focus on, is on how many old testament prophecies are there, which actually point to the day of Pentecost, in the book of Acts?
Let us quote as many as we can find.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 11:49:34 GMT -5
Since no one has commented, how about we just get to what the word Pentecost actually means:
(Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G4005 πεντηκοστή pentēkostē
Thayer Definition:
Pentecost = “the fiftieth day” 1) the second of the three great Jewish feasts, celebrated at Jerusalem yearly, the seventh week after the Passover, in grateful recognition of the completed harvest Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the ord. of G4004)
So the word Pentecost means 50th day.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 12:39:50 GMT -5
The feast of weeks points us to the time of the day of Pentecost.
Exo 34:22 (22) And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
Concerning Pentecost it mentions this firstfruits of the wheat harvest.
And the interesting thing is this, what actually happened on the day of Pentecost, in the book of Acts?
Act 2:41 (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Of course in Exodus it was an actual wheat harvest, but also I believe there was a spiritual meaning behind it, which pointed to a spiritual harvest, and that is what happened on the day of Pentecost, a spiritual harvest.
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 12:41:10 GMT -5
If someone wants to add to this, that is fine, but now let us get into old testament prophecies of the day of Pentecost.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 6, 2020 13:24:49 GMT -5
I just found it giller . SO keep on posting away . I have to head out and do a job for now . Bring some good fat posts here . its a good topic .
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Post by Giller on Feb 6, 2020 14:32:29 GMT -5
Here is an obvious one that points us to the day of Pentecost:
Joe 2:28-32 (28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. (30) And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. (31) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. (32) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Now of course the proof that this scripture points us to the day of Pentecost, in the book of Acts, is found in Acts chapter 2.
Act 2:15-21 (15) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. (16) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: (19) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: (20) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: (21) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Now it says that this outpouring of the Spirit, shall be poured out before that great and terrible of the Lord.
That great and terrible day points to the second coming, but this pouring out of the Spirit started on the day of Pentecost, and it was indeed poured out before the second coming took place, that is way before the second coming took place, which the second coming has still not taken place.
And on the day of Pentecost, that is when the "new testament" church was born.
And this outpouring of the Spirit, started on the day of Pentecost, and continues even unto this day, even unto the time of the second coming.
But of course in order to enter into the revival fires of the Lord, there is a cost to pay.
Here is something Joel says:
Joe 2:15-16 (15) Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: (16) Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
Joe 2:28 (28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
It says that it shall come to pass afterwards, after what? After things like calling a solemn assembly, sanctifying the congregation, blowing the trumpet in Zion, is done etc., then will he pour out of his Spirit.
Well what did the 120 do before receiving the outpouring of the Spirit?
Act 1:14-15 (14) These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. (15) And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Act 1:24-26 (24) And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, (25) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (26) And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Act 2:1 (1) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
They sought the Lord in prayer and supplication and were together in the upper room, and they replaced the Apostleship of Judas to Mathhias, basically setting things in order.
And in many ways it seems that they were sanctifying the congregation, and what happened as a result? An outpouring of the Spirit, and now whoever calls upon the name of the Lord can be saved and born again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 11:12:43 GMT -5
Since no one has commented, how about we just get to what the word Pentecost actually means: (Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G4005 πεντηκοστή pentēkostē
Thayer Definition:
Pentecost = “the fiftieth day” 1) the second of the three great Jewish feasts, celebrated at Jerusalem yearly, the seventh week after the Passover, in grateful recognition of the completed harvest Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the ord. of G4004)So the word Pentecost means 50th day. Amen....which alludes to a Jubilee....freedom. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 11:32:36 GMT -5
Deu 11:13-14 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. (Rain is for the purpose of harvest!)
Zec 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
And now something that I believe is worth taking note of, as this was written after Pentecost...makes me jump up and down inside:
Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 7, 2020 12:16:07 GMT -5
Since no one has commented, how about we just get to what the word Pentecost actually means: (Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G4005 πεντηκοστή pentēkostē
Thayer Definition:
Pentecost = “the fiftieth day” 1) the second of the three great Jewish feasts, celebrated at Jerusalem yearly, the seventh week after the Passover, in grateful recognition of the completed harvest Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the ord. of G4004)So the word Pentecost means 50th day. Amen....which alludes to a Jubilee....freedom. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. And as sister watchful and others know , freedom does not equate to sin and dis obedience , for that is bondage . HANDS UP watchful , hands up and praise the LORD
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Post by Giller on Feb 7, 2020 14:48:27 GMT -5
Deu 11:13-14 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. (Rain is for the purpose of harvest!) Zec 10:1Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.Jer 5:24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.Hos 6:3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.And now something that I believe is worth taking note of, as this was written after Pentecost...makes me jump up and down inside: Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
For myself, I will have to study more on these scriptures, which is what I have been doing, I am not saying what connections these verses have or do not have with Pentecost, right now I am just studying them, just want to be sure that I know what it is talking about and so on. I do know that on the day of Pentecost, in essence there was spiritual rain poured out. And for myself I like to study each scripture, to see what they say in their own context. I am not saying you are wrong or right (just do not know right now), just want to be sure in my heart. These are sure scriptures to ponder upon.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 7, 2020 15:59:27 GMT -5
Deu 11:13-14 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. (Rain is for the purpose of harvest!) Zec 10:1Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.Jer 5:24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.Hos 6:3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.And now something that I believe is worth taking note of, as this was written after Pentecost...makes me jump up and down inside: Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
For myself, I will have to study more on these scriptures, which is what I have been doing, I am not saying what connections these verses have or do not have with Pentecost, right now I am just studying them, just want to be sure that I know what it is talking about and so on. I do know that on the day of Pentecost, in essence there was spiritual rain poured out. And for myself I like to study each scripture, to see what they say in their own context. I am not saying you are wrong or right (just do not know right now), just want to be sure in my heart. These are sure scriptures to ponder upon. It holds a two fold meaning in it . Its true in both cases . God , Christ , often used the harvest FOR A FAR DEEPER MEANING and that meaning was SOULS . I promise this is true . Remember what JESUS said , ye say harvest is in four months , BUT I TELL YOU the fields are ripe for HARVEST NOW . HE was not speaking of the natural corn and wheat , BUT OF SOULS . When Joel prophesies of the early and latter rain , we know its not natural rain , BUT SPIRITUAL RAIN . I have noticed that many of these things spoken , while they can apply to the natural , THEY APPLY HUGE to the Spiritual .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 18:03:00 GMT -5
Deu 11:13-14 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. (Rain is for the purpose of harvest!) Zec 10:1Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.Jer 5:24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.Hos 6:3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.And now something that I believe is worth taking note of, as this was written after Pentecost...makes me jump up and down inside: Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
For myself, I will have to study more on these scriptures, which is what I have been doing, I am not saying what connections these verses have or do not have with Pentecost, right now I am just studying them, just want to be sure that I know what it is talking about and so on. I do know that on the day of Pentecost, in essence there was spiritual rain poured out. And for myself I like to study each scripture, to see what they say in their own context. I am not saying you are wrong or right (just do not know right now), just want to be sure in my heart. These are sure scriptures to ponder upon. Amen brother......we don't want to receive anything anybody brings unless or until the Lord confirms it to us by His Spirit and word. Bless you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 18:06:58 GMT -5
Amen....which alludes to a Jubilee....freedom. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. And as sister watchful and others know , freedom does not equate to sin and dis obedience , for that is bondage . HANDS UP watchful , hands up and praise the LORD Dear brother, yes.....though we are not condemned because we have had the bath, and are already clean through the word of the gospel…..but now it remains that we allow Jesus to wash our feet, or we have no part with Him. Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death. (What a glorious truth!)
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Post by Giller on Feb 8, 2020 2:45:44 GMT -5
I guess you can say I will deal with the verses Watchful mentioned one by one.
And I am not saying that there is no spiritual meaning to some of these verses, but with the next verses I will deal with, it is specific to the land.
Deu 11:11-15 (11) But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven: (12) A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year. (13) And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, (14) That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. (15) And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.
These specific verses concerns the land, that is the land that they would go to possess.
And it speaks of that, if they hearken diligently unto his commandments etc., that he would give the rain of your land, land , land.
That is the first rain and the latter rain.
Here is a comment on this:
(Jamieson-Faussett-Brown)
(Deuteronomy 11:14
the first rain and the latter rain — The early rain commenced in autumn, that is, chiefly during the months of September and October, while the latter rain fell in the spring of the year, that is, during the months of March and April. It is true that occasional showers fell all the winter; but, at the autumnal and vernal seasons, they were more frequent, copious, and important; for the early rain was necessary, after a hot and protracted summer, to prepare the soil for receiving the seed; and the latter rain, which shortly preceded the harvest, was of the greatest use in invigorating the languishing powers of vegetation...)
They obviously needed this physical rain for the seeds, the harvest and so forth.
So here it is strictly pointing to the land.
And I know some things have both physical and spiritual meanings, I am aware of this, but these particular verses is simply talking about the land.
But now we will get to that James scripture.
Jas 5:7-8 (7) Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. (8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
Here is a comment from John Wesley:
(John Wesley)
(James 5:7
The husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit - Which will recompense his labour and patience. Till he receives the former rain - Immediately after sowing. And the latter - Before the harvest.)
Now the particulars of what James is talking about here is not about a particular spiritual movement or harvest of God through the early and latter rain in this case, but it is using the example of the husbandman, and him waiting for the precious fruit of the earth until he receive the early and latter rain, that as the husbandman is patience for the harvest, and waits for the early and latter rain, so we should be patient likewise towards the coming of the lord.
It is talking about establishing our hearts, and doing so as we patiently wait for the coming of the lord.
In verse 8 it says be ye also patient, but how should we be patient?
The same way an husbandman is patient.
The object lesson here is how to be patient towards the coming of the Lord, and not about an outpouring of the Spirit, now yes other verses cover that, but not this particular James scripture.
(David Guzik)
(...The Bible does explain that there will be a significant outpouring of the Holy Spirit... (Joe_2:28-29, Act_2:17-18); but this passage from James doesn’t seem to be relevant to that outpouring....)
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Post by Giller on Feb 8, 2020 3:34:21 GMT -5
Now concerning the Hosea scripture that is another story.
Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Here it is talking about the Lord coming to them as the rain.
Now them is referring to Israel.
It is said that them being smitten refers Israel being smitten at the time of the tribulation period, and after 2 days them being revived, points to when they accept Christ as a nation, at the beginning of the millennial reign.
And them being raised up the 3rd day, points to the 1000 years reign.
Here are interesting comments by Jimmy Swaggart:
(Jimmy Swaggart)
((verse 2) This Verse could very well apply prophetically to the period of Israel's subjection, affliction, and Restoration. Her subjection has lasted 2,000 years, or nearly so (two days), and her Millennial Reign will last for 1,000 years (the third day)...
...(verse 3) His going forth is prepared as the morning," signals that His Second Coming is fixed as surely as the morning is eternally fixed to come at a certain time daily....)
So The Lord coming upon the nation of Israel as the rain, no doubt is talking about spiritual rain, which will happen when Israel accepts Christ as a nation at the time of Christ's second coming which begins the millennial reign.
So this does refer to an outpouring of the Spirit.
And it says that the Lord shall come as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
I guess you can say that, in a similar fashion as you see the former and latter rain come to the earth, the Lord will come in a similar fashion, but just in a spiritual outpouring.
And this outpouring is not referring to the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts, but rather to when Israel as a nation receives Christ.
I know some may refer to the latter and former rain being 2 separate outpourings, but is it really referring to that, or is it just comparing these things to how the Lord will come upon Israel, but in a spiritual fashion?
Is it more of an example of something, so people can sort of get a picture through something that happens in the physical (former rains, latter rains), so to try to get some picture of something spiritual?
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