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Post by 777 on Feb 11, 2020 17:23:15 GMT -5
I believe I know what to expect as I create this thread, but I want to see if I am right. To the brothers and sisters here at Narrow Way Forums, what ministers that we can watch on television or online do you fully endorse as being true? Who do you recommend?
I expect a very short list, and here is why. Those here at Narrow Way love the Bible and read it. I know I have read it 15 to 20 times. John said he has read it at least 17 times. I know Frienduff and Giller read their Bibles, and the newer Christians that are here are reading their Bibles. We even have at least one visitor reading the Bible with us. Preaching the need to know the Bible is a top priority here, and that means we will recognize a false message quicker than most. But I really would love to know if Frienduff, Giller, John, Les, Solid, Dezi, anyone of our members has Bible teachers they have full confidence in?
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 11, 2020 18:46:17 GMT -5
The list has gotten shorter for me.
For a while I was convicted of seeking speakers more than reading Scripture.
Right now, I am subscribed to a YouTuber named Marcus Rogers. I enjoy his use of symbols and prophetic visions. Most of all I like how he had encouraged me to make sacrifices to obey God, read the Bible, pray, and not buckle under pressure to be politically correct!
There is a lady named April Cassidy who has a video and blog ministry about being a Godly wife by living out a biblical blueprint for marriage.
I still like Francis Chan and Paul Washer.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2020 19:52:16 GMT -5
The list has gotten shorter for me. For a while I was convicted of seeking speakers more than reading Scripture. Right now, I am subscribed to a YouTuber named Marcus Rogers. I enjoy his use of symbols and prophetic visions. Most of all I like how he had encouraged me to make sacrifices to obey God, read the Bible, pray, and not buckle under pressure to be politically correct! There is a lady named April Cassidy who has a video and blog ministry about being a Godly wife by living out a biblical blueprint for marriage. I still like Francis Chan and Paul Washer. Thank you for your recommendations. I will have to check them out.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2020 20:00:13 GMT -5
I like the idea of this thread, posting ministers we like, rather than those we don't like. I want to make this totally clear, that there is not a single minister that I would endorse completely. They all have some flaws. Truth be told, I am sure someone can find flaws in things I say from time to time because we are all human, and don't have perfect knowledge. All we can do is study and seek God and do our best to be in the truth. I do think that Joseph Chambers at Paw Creek Church in Charlotte, N.C. is mostly in the truth. He is online, but I don't agree with everything he says. I do sometimes watch Kevin Zadai, (I think I am spelling that right?) but I haven't seen enough to be convinced that he is sound. He speaks a lot from experiences, and he does have associations with ministers that I don't see as right. That being the case, I am not endorsing him, just saying that I have sometimes watched him to feel him out. He speaks a lot about a near death experience where he died and went to heaven and returned. There is no way to verify such things, so you believe him or you don't. For the most part, I just don't watch tv preachers, but just stick with my KJV Bible for truth.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 12, 2020 11:14:45 GMT -5
The truth is the only ones I can vouch for in this day and age , are long gone now . but their words which GOD inspired can be found in the book HE inspired . Number one on that list . JESUS CHRIST , HIS EVERY WORD and SAYING let it be loved adorn and worn upon the heart . Number two , those apostels who by the SPIRIT wrote letters to the churches . You wanted good preachers , well those are truly the only ones I can vouch for at this time . I get more from those who even post HERE on this site , than I do from many who teach in exalted well known positions . and that is a fact . We gonna have to just CLING TO JESUS , feast on bibles and simply test everything else we do hear and see , Agaisnt the pure words IN THAT BIBLE . And the SPIRIT is our helper . Am I saying there are no more leaders , no , but I am saying LOOK OUT and BEWARE for a number so high it cannot be counted do now teach contrary to Christ . My advice is we read more . Do that and the list will get smaller and smaller . Because as I said , many teach contrary and many are leading us in the WRONG DIRECTION .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 14:13:57 GMT -5
There really is nobody we can put our trust in but the Lord. Part of the problem is that men of reknown think they are expected to be perfect and they have too much to lose in their own eyes so they never receive correction. I agree with John that there is no preacher and no person period who doesn't have some error or flaws. And without receiving correction those flaws will just keep waxing worse over time. The best thing for any new believer is to learn as quickly as possible the word of God for themselves, and learn to hear the Shepherd's voice and depend on Him for understanding of His word. (Ask seek and knock). Until one gets solidly grounded with the scriptures tucked away in their heart...as well as getting to know the Lord personally, His ways....there is no way to test what others say and test the spirits. Nevertheless the Lord is faithful to lead and guide and help His own.
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 12, 2020 15:32:04 GMT -5
There really is nobody we can put our trust in but the Lord. Part of the problem is that men of reknown think they are expected to be perfect and they have too much to lose in their own eyes so they never receive correction. I agree with John that there is no preacher and no person period who doesn't have some error or flaws. And without receiving correction those flaws will just keep waxing worse over time. The best thing for any new believer is to learn as quickly as possible the word of God for themselves, and learn to hear the Shepherd's voice and depend on Him for understanding of His word. (Ask seek and knock). Until one gets solidly grounded with the scriptures tucked away in their heart...as well as getting to know the Lord personally, His ways....there is no way to test what others say and test the spirits. Nevertheless the Lord is faithful to lead and guide and help His own. Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. Warn and remind to the final breath my dear sister .
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 20:07:24 GMT -5
There really is nobody we can put our trust in but the Lord. Part of the problem is that men of reknown think they are expected to be perfect and they have too much to lose in their own eyes so they never receive correction. I agree with John that there is no preacher and no person period who doesn't have some error or flaws. And without receiving correction those flaws will just keep waxing worse over time. The best thing for any new believer is to learn as quickly as possible the word of God for themselves, and learn to hear the Shepherd's voice and depend on Him for understanding of His word. (Ask seek and knock). Until one gets solidly grounded with the scriptures tucked away in their heart...as well as getting to know the Lord personally, His ways....there is no way to test what others say and test the spirits. Nevertheless the Lord is faithful to lead and guide and help His own. Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. Warn and remind to the final breath my dear sister . Jesus was the only man that walked the earth whose doctrine was perfect, and the only sure Word is what is found in the Holy Bible. We are all flawed, even when we do our best. If you put anyone under the microscope, you will find something not quite right. All we can do is study to show ourselves approved and seek assistance from the Holy Spirit to understand what we are reading in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 20:51:50 GMT -5
Warn and remind to the final breath my dear sister . Jesus was the only man that walked the earth whose doctrine was perfect, and the only sure Word is what is found in the Holy Bible. We are all flawed, even when we do our best. If you put anyone under the microscope, you will find something not quite right. All we can do is study to show ourselves approved and seek assistance from the Holy Spirit to understand what we are reading in the Bible.
Amen....everyone is learning and growing and all need tweeking and correcting periodically along the way, otherwise nobody will grow and learn. Unfortunately though there is this expectation that those with leadership gifts are exempt or are somehow supposed to be infallible....it's an impossible expectation which just allows whatever leaven they pick up along the way to flourish and grow worse instead of ditching it.
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 21:32:19 GMT -5
Jesus was the only man that walked the earth whose doctrine was perfect, and the only sure Word is what is found in the Holy Bible. We are all flawed, even when we do our best. If you put anyone under the microscope, you will find something not quite right. All we can do is study to show ourselves approved and seek assistance from the Holy Spirit to understand what we are reading in the Bible.
Amen....everyone is learning and growing and all need tweeking and correcting periodically along the way, otherwise nobody will grow and learn. Unfortunately though there is this expectation that those with leadership gifts are exempt or are somehow supposed to be infallible....it's an impossible expectation which just allows whatever leaven they pick up along the way to flourish and grow worse instead of ditching it. I think that most of us who have been in the church for a long time are established in some areas. There are things we have thoroughly studied, and there are things the Lord has revealed to us. Once that occurs, there is little chance anyone will change our mind. We know the subject matter, but there is not one of us, even in leadership, that knows everything. There is always room to grow. That is why constantly re-reading the Bible is so helpful. You always learn something new. Something you overlooked one time will become obvious the next.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 12, 2020 22:30:24 GMT -5
here is how i do with preachers/teachers. if the message is false, dont listen. for the rest treat what they say like fish. eat all you can throw the rest back. the reason i say this is because there are some preachers who have really edified me to the point of their words have even shaped my faith and i grew from it... but after listening to a whole bunch of their sermons there may be one or two points i am fully in disagreement with.
I think if we narrow the scope to just those here on this forum there have been discussions in threads where we were not all in agreement on some stuff. sure maybe part of it can be discussed and hashed out... but its ok. I think its of the flesh to have the attitude of this is the revelation and the truth... and you should believe this also, so help you God. however there are some topics thats just not up for debate.
I do not put my confidence in a man... I put my confidence in when a man speaks and my Spirit in me tells me its not really the man speaking and i can take the message to scripture and verify it. The Spirit and scripture will ALWAYS agree.
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 22:51:41 GMT -5
here is how i do with preachers/teachers. if the message is false, dont listen. for the rest treat what they say like fish. eat all you can throw the rest back. the reason i say this is because there are some preachers who have really edified me to the point of their words have even shaped my faith and i grew from it... but after listening to a whole bunch of their sermons there may be one or two points i am fully in disagreement with. I think if we narrow the scope to just those here on this forum there have been discussions in threads where we were not all in agreement on some stuff. sure maybe part of it can be discussed and hashed out... but its ok. I think its of the flesh to have the attitude of this is the revelation and the truth... and you should believe this also, so help you God. however there are some topics thats just not up for debate. I do not put my confidence in a man... I put my confidence in when a man speaks and my Spirit in me tells me its not really the man speaking and i can take the message to scripture and verify it. The Spirit and scripture will ALWAYS agree. I think there is a lot of wisdom in that Cletus. I was listening to a teacher today, because someone asked me to. I have heard some of his stuff before, but I am not an avid follower or anything. But he said some things that I hadn't considered in the past about the story of the tower of Babel. I didn't necessarily agree with everything the guy was saying, but he did say things that made sense that were not at odds with scripture.
I always give Myles Munroe a lot of credit for shaping my views, all because of one message on being an Ambassador for Christ. I never recommend him to others, because even though I read one of his books and liked it, and loved that one message, later on, I ordered a set of teaching cds he had on the Kingdom of God and some of those things were off the wall. They started out good, for the most part. Probably 90 percent right in the first cds, but by the time I got to the later ones, they were completely in error. The fact he is wrong in many of his teachings will never take away from the influence he had on how I view the Bible, and I am thankful I came across his ministry.
When we look at it from this point of view, if I am taking you right, you are open to listening to different, but imperfect preachers, but you don't put all your faith and trust that everything they say is right. You don't follow anyone blindly. You accept what is in agreement with scripture, and you reject what is not? I think that is smart. Of course, if the preacher is more wrong than right, a person that is a known heretic, there is no reason to listen to them at all, but if they are mostly right, you might be cheating yourself out of good insight if you insist on them being absolutely perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 7:08:58 GMT -5
It's humbling to know that the Lord can speak to anyone through any means, including a donkey, so this is just one more reason why we must not lift up any man or means in our hearts....and learn to know His voice however He chooses to speak...it's with our heart that we recognize His voice when He speaks.
The word of God is so full and deep I think we will never finish hauling up it's catch and plumbing its depths. It's important to keep growing, otherwise we will stagnate and die essentially, fall asleep. And speaking of deep, the bible says if we think we know we do not yet know as we ought....and that we are still seeing through a glass darkly. That's humbling to think upon as well. So it's not about knowledge as the flesh and world "knows" things, it's about the washing of the water of the living word from the mouth of God, and how it is changing us and bringing us deeper into Christ. Spiritual truth is just that.....spiritual. (and that means also that it has power).
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Post by frienduff on Feb 13, 2020 10:23:09 GMT -5
Warn and remind to the final breath my dear sister . Jesus was the only man that walked the earth whose doctrine was perfect, and the only sure Word is what is found in the Holy Bible. We are all flawed, even when we do our best. If you put anyone under the microscope, you will find something not quite right. All we can do is study to show ourselves approved and seek assistance from the Holy Spirit to understand what we are reading in the Bible.
Yes that is true . but no seasoned leader TEACHES straight up false hoods all the time and hangs out with those who do so . And let us say a leader does have an error . Bet they repent as fast as peter and barnabas did when paul rebuked them . SO why don't most today . Ponder that one . I watched the worst vidoe ever , so dead and boring , but I watched it , had too . And I watched a man exalt Kenneth copleland for over ten minutes straight in one is his teachings . He went on and on about the man , about his eyes , about the power he has . Even if Kenneth had been a true man of GOD , I would have rebuked this man for the way he flat out idolizes that man . BUT even worse , Kenneth is one of the worst ones in the protestant camp . And this man , his lover in arms TODD WHITE , just mesmorized a crowd about the man as though Kenneth was GOD himself . I KID you not . I nearly died the first six mins in and had to stop it . Then another said , to continue watching , so I did . it got so bad I had to cut it off around the sixteen minute mark But again one reminded me , no finish watching it , MY GOODNESS it got only worse . I nearly fell ill for the sake of narrow way , having to force my self to watch that vidoe . AND I am begging and pleading alll of us , DONT even PEEK in the direction of todd white . Butero , he is far slicker than even Kenneth , the man KNOWS how to spin like a silver spider the most craftily spun web . And most cant discern this at the level they ought too . SO its good enough for me , if we simply stay far away from that man . The only good thing I can say , is that I don't see anyone here that even supports that man . But I warn and reminded us , because I see how crafity that man is . he can spin as well as francis does , YET harder to detect him , because he goes under the evangelical title and francis goes under the catholic one . Todd is slicker than Kenneth only in this one way , HE was wise enough not to tell his group as did kenneht that francis is his hero . TODD sits over a group that was not as far tainted as the group Kenneth sat over , But todd is every bit as dangerous and more so , cause he spins like one I have never seen spin before . The main difference I see between Kenneth and todd , IS NOT THIER IDEOLOGY , NO THEY BELEIVE THE SAME , its their approach on how to get the job done . Kenneth is more straight forward and more theologically sounding ,though its dead theology , while TODD is more of an emotion tapper and big time spinner , not nearly as theological SOUNDING as Kenneth , OH but no less dangerous than Kenneth HE IS .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 13, 2020 10:31:54 GMT -5
It's humbling to know that the Lord can speak to anyone through any means, including a donkey, so this is just one more reason why we must not lift up any man or means in our hearts....and learn to know His voice however He chooses to speak...it's with our heart that we recognize His voice when He speaks. The word of God is so full and deep I think we will never finish hauling up it's catch and plumbing its depths. It's important to keep growing, otherwise we will stagnate and die essentially, fall asleep. And speaking of deep, the bible says if we think we know we do not yet know as we ought....and that we are still seeing through a glass darkly. That's humbling to think upon as well. So it's not about knowledge as the flesh and world "knows" things, it's about the washing of the water of the living word from the mouth of God, and how it is changing us and bringing us deeper into Christ. Spiritual truth is just that.....spiritual. (and that means also that it has power). Sister reread your first sentence . ITS SPOT ON RIGHT . I just watched over a two day period , the worst idolzing of a man being done by Todd white . Todd is enamoured with this man , his eyes even glow like a fat kid in candy store when he brings up KENNETH copelands name . I would rebuke TODD , even if he did this with a true man of GOD . And yet HE does it with one of the worst . AND still folks don't get the picture . This is why I warned us strenuously , not only to be on guard for what men teach , YOU be on guard for who they hang around . I never seen it , and I thought the vidoe I BROUGHT was bad enough about this love affair Todd has with KENNETH , and this vidoe , guess what , it aint just some hate clip . ITS from they own site . Folks do not put any man on a pedastool and watch out also for any who does so and watch out also for they hang around and support . If we don't do this , ITS HOW one will be deceived . and that is a fact . Because that is how satan operates . Satan comes as an angel of light , THOUGH HE BE BUT DARKNESS so no marvel that his ministirs can appear to be as one of us , AND THEY ARE NOT .
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