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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 8:44:46 GMT -5
Here is some friendly advice . Don't give that man any credit . God alone was who allowed you to see truth and when we notice someone is way off , YEP GOD ALLOWED US TO SEE THAT TOO . I would not give myles munroe credit for a thing . Sometimes folks forget things or were taught a wrong mindset . But the moment I discern one as false and teaches dangerous things , I flee and never look back and wont even mention their name as having helped me to see a thing . I see false ones as that dangerous . and no false man is gonna spout lies all the time . they always have truths , they always have truths . Even pope francis can tell truths . There were men whose names I wont even make mention of that may have known some meats , yet they were false and they are fled never to be pointed to , never to be given any credit too for anything . My approach is this , if a man is false and hangs and supports false ones , We better FLEE and never look back . I understand where you and even 777 are coming from. The reason I give Myles Munroe credit is because I am not going to take credit for something I got from another teacher. I happened upon his message that he shared on television, realized how true it was, and it has had a profound influence on me. I did not suddenly become his disciple, and start following him blindly. I am glad I didn't, because he would have led me into the ditch, but I feel like I must give credit where it is due. I feel like Watchful is right when she says that many start out right, but go astray over time. I really think that is what happened to Pastor Munroe.
Everyone does want to preach something that makes them stand out from the pack. How about just preach the truth? There is hardly anyone doing that.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 10:02:29 GMT -5
Let the lambs be encouraged , and be diligent and viligent , for the adversary sleeps not , he is all over christanity and the world and his men are doing his work . Let the true lambs stand in CHRIST and as one mind , one heart , do all to contend for the true faith . The key to not being deceived is to stay in our Bibles. When we hear something false, we will not be deceived.
Based on what people have been saying in conversations, I can tell you exactly what is going on. People are looking for good ministers to watch on television. There are none that are 100 percent in the truth, and there never will be. They all have different degrees of error because they are all human. People come across a person like Todd White, Jimmy Swaggart, John Hagee, or whoever, and they think to themselves that this person isn't perfect, but they are better than Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Robert Tilton, Joel Osteen, John MacArthur, or any of the other false teachers you can think of. They watch them to see what they are about.
If that person is in their Bible, when those people say something false, they will reject it. If that person is not in their Bible, they may be taken in by it. I can turn on any of these preachers today, and I will recognize when they start slipping in false teachings, just like I did when I heard Myles Munroe go off into left field. People have to have enough of God's Word in their heart to recognize false doctrine when they hear it. Our focus needs to be on knowing the Bible.
As for me, I will sometimes look at some of the people on television. I will sometimes watch Sid Roth, and he has some really out there guests. I don't just accept the things they say. I was looking at his program earlier today, and this woman was talking about what heaven and hell was like. Of course, like everyone else, she has a book and DVDs for sale for a gift of $35 like everyone else that comes on his show. I know that most of these people are not real. It doesn't mean everyone is fake, but I don't just accept what they say.
There is this desire to find sound teachers, and to latch on to someone who seems mostly good, and to try to glean the good parts and reject the bad. Nothing anyone does will stop that. All it accomplishes to beat up the person they are watching is get them to be quiet about it. You think you convinced them to turn away because they stop mentioning them, but they still watch, but don't tell you. They have to see the error for themselves, and nobody is going to turn away when all they see are videos attacking a person based on what someone else said. You have to show them the error based on that person's teaching. If I was a Todd White supporter, which I am not, I wouldn't stop watching him because Kenneth Copeland said crazy things. I would stop watching him when I saw White say crazy things.
Oh its true people are looking for good ministirs to watch . And theirin lies part of the problem . If we would but read our bibles we get ONE HUNDRED PERCENT TRUTH . Lambs can settle for nothing less than whole pure truth . Why people think they need a man to teach or guide them , is beyond me . And when these seek out such rest assured one will never receive the whole rightly divided truth under tainted men . what we sit under and listen too , is KEY . And we can settle for nothing less . IF I HAVE ALL OUT JOY and need not heed a one of those , then WHY CANT WE ALL . Why the need to find some man to guide us . This does not mean if one teaches truth and is well seasoned and tested , that we cannot listen to those . But men that are in line with the false , What does that say about their discernment . I notice more and more of these leaders are establishing a religion and mindset that sounds Familiar to CHRIST , and yet SO FAR AWAY FROM HIM . And masses who sit along under them , are beginning to really flow in that direction . I SEE MEN who used to speak out against any kind of unity with ROME , now desiring unity with the faiths . I see men who used to be far more sound , now going with the same direction as the main tide . FOR who we keep company with and who we learn from , is what direction we will end up going . And it can start quite small . We will begin to focus more on lets get along , some truths might even start getting over looked , and babes especially need to be warned to steer clear of those dangerous teachers . Never encouraged to glean one thing from them . THOSE MEN are very INFLEUNCING, a strong spirit is on them and it knows how to seduce and allure , it knows how to deceive and make it seem as though its not deception but rather an enlightenment . WHY seek ye out men to listen to , WHEN we already GOT all we NEED in CHRIST and the bible to grow wise , strong and built up so as we can no longer be deceived by crafity men . Let no man or woman heed men who are unifying with the false and have unified with the false . ITS A SNARE and it will snare those . We are much better off HEEDING GOD who said BE YE NOT UNEQUALLY YOKED . We already have as we need in CHRIST . We have all we need in HIM and can help one another and build one another up . We don't need to settle for anything less , Why waste even ten minutes on the false and those who hang around and support them , Even those ten minutes could have been spent IN the BIBLE , where WE KNOW TRUTH IS . Lambs we must be on guard , they will all eveuntually unify , and we can have no part in this . their unity is dead , their love is false thus dead , their direction is unity with mother rome and thus their direction is in death and leadeth unto the second death . ITS that serious that we be not partakers with them , nor heed them , nor listen to them . expose them , YES , and build one another up in BIBLE DOCTINE , YES . The time of mass delusion has truly began .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 10:10:00 GMT -5
Let the lambs be encouraged , and be diligent and viligent , for the adversary sleeps not , he is all over christanity and the world and his men are doing his work . Let the true lambs stand in CHRIST and as one mind , one heart , do all to contend for the true faith . The key to not being deceived is to stay in our Bibles. When we hear something false, we will not be deceived.
Based on what people have been saying in conversations, I can tell you exactly what is going on. People are looking for good ministers to watch on television. There are none that are 100 percent in the truth, and there never will be. They all have different degrees of error because they are all human. People come across a person like Todd White, Jimmy Swaggart, John Hagee, or whoever, and they think to themselves that this person isn't perfect, but they are better than Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Robert Tilton, Joel Osteen, John MacArthur, or any of the other false teachers you can think of. They watch them to see what they are about.
If that person is in their Bible, when those people say something false, they will reject it. If that person is not in their Bible, they may be taken in by it. I can turn on any of these preachers today, and I will recognize when they start slipping in false teachings, just like I did when I heard Myles Munroe go off into left field. People have to have enough of God's Word in their heart to recognize false doctrine when they hear it. Our focus needs to be on knowing the Bible.
As for me, I will sometimes look at some of the people on television. I will sometimes watch Sid Roth, and he has some really out there guests. I don't just accept the things they say. I was looking at his program earlier today, and this woman was talking about what heaven and hell was like. Of course, like everyone else, she has a book and DVDs for sale for a gift of $35 like everyone else that comes on his show. I know that most of these people are not real. It doesn't mean everyone is fake, but I don't just accept what they say.
There is this desire to find sound teachers, and to latch on to someone who seems mostly good, and to try to glean the good parts and reject the bad. Nothing anyone does will stop that. All it accomplishes to beat up the person they are watching is get them to be quiet about it. You think you convinced them to turn away because they stop mentioning them, but they still watch, but don't tell you. They have to see the error for themselves, and nobody is going to turn away when all they see are videos attacking a person based on what someone else said. You have to show them the error based on that person's teaching. If I was a Todd White supporter, which I am not, I wouldn't stop watching him because Kenneth Copeland said crazy things. I would stop watching him when I saw White say crazy things.
and how true that is , They do come along and see folks like todd white and others and think wow these are so much better than COPELAND and yet TODD praises that COPELAND big time , Todd speaks out like it is hate to even judge Copeland . WHAT do you THINK that will and is doing to the minds of those who once fled Copeland and others like him . I WILL TELL you what it is doing , I SEEN IT . WHEN TODD praised copleand and made it seem like its gossip to warn against him , THAT CROWD WENT WILD WITH CHEER . HE IS SEDUCING THEM BUTERO . I tell us all , ITS WHAT THEY DO . ITS WHAT THEY DO . any false one can come in sounding way more like the group its targeting and yet be their to head them RIGHT back into what they once fled from . He is bad news . And the folks sitting under him , are buying into what and how it spins everything .
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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 10:21:01 GMT -5
The key to not being deceived is to stay in our Bibles. When we hear something false, we will not be deceived.
Based on what people have been saying in conversations, I can tell you exactly what is going on. People are looking for good ministers to watch on television. There are none that are 100 percent in the truth, and there never will be. They all have different degrees of error because they are all human. People come across a person like Todd White, Jimmy Swaggart, John Hagee, or whoever, and they think to themselves that this person isn't perfect, but they are better than Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Robert Tilton, Joel Osteen, John MacArthur, or any of the other false teachers you can think of. They watch them to see what they are about.
If that person is in their Bible, when those people say something false, they will reject it. If that person is not in their Bible, they may be taken in by it. I can turn on any of these preachers today, and I will recognize when they start slipping in false teachings, just like I did when I heard Myles Munroe go off into left field. People have to have enough of God's Word in their heart to recognize false doctrine when they hear it. Our focus needs to be on knowing the Bible.
As for me, I will sometimes look at some of the people on television. I will sometimes watch Sid Roth, and he has some really out there guests. I don't just accept the things they say. I was looking at his program earlier today, and this woman was talking about what heaven and hell was like. Of course, like everyone else, she has a book and DVDs for sale for a gift of $35 like everyone else that comes on his show. I know that most of these people are not real. It doesn't mean everyone is fake, but I don't just accept what they say.
There is this desire to find sound teachers, and to latch on to someone who seems mostly good, and to try to glean the good parts and reject the bad. Nothing anyone does will stop that. All it accomplishes to beat up the person they are watching is get them to be quiet about it. You think you convinced them to turn away because they stop mentioning them, but they still watch, but don't tell you. They have to see the error for themselves, and nobody is going to turn away when all they see are videos attacking a person based on what someone else said. You have to show them the error based on that person's teaching. If I was a Todd White supporter, which I am not, I wouldn't stop watching him because Kenneth Copeland said crazy things. I would stop watching him when I saw White say crazy things.
and how true that is , They do come along and see folks like todd white and others and think wow these are so much better than COPELAND and yet TODD praises that COPELAND big time , Todd speaks out like it is hate to even judge Copeland . WHAT do you THINK that will and is doing to the minds of those who once fled Copeland and others like him . I WILL TELL you what it is doing , I SEEN IT . WHEN TODD praised copleand and made it seem like its gossip to warn against him , THAT CROWD WENT WILD WITH CHEER . HE IS SEDUCING THEM BUTERO . I tell us all , ITS WHAT THEY DO . ITS WHAT THEY DO . any false one can come in sounding way more like the group its targeting and yet be their to head them RIGHT back into what they once fled from . He is bad news . And the folks sitting under him , are buying into what and how it spins everything . Kenneth Copeland seems like he is preparing a people to join the RCC. It is like he is wanting to lead protestants back up under the RCC after they escaped, like there was a company that wanted to return to Egypt after God brought them out. That man is dangerous!
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 10:23:07 GMT -5
yeah , and I do and did watch what TODD does do and say . he is bad news wrapped up to seem as good news . The dude can spin like a ten man dj disco seventies concert and not miss a beat or a skip . Butero , he is truly bad news . They in it together butero . they all in it to get us to be as one with Rome and all . mark those words . it was clear enough in a vidoe and we aint even seen what is about to occur . Just wait . Just wait . He truly is bad news . But I know you don't agree with him , so that is good . But mark those words well we will hear from his mouth something far worse in the days ahead . I know as though it could get worse , but OH YES IT CAN and it will . You may be surprised, but I agree with that. I just wish these attack videos would focus on Todd White's message, not his associations. You can show both, but the main focus needs to be on where Todd White is teaching false doctrine. It is there. If you look hard enough, you can find it.
Yes we have to expose both . the problem is most folks DO NOT KNOW those bibles . Todd is preaching a love that was long taught before He stepped up , so its so easy to sway those brought up under that stuff . And this is why we must keep all lambs , specially those not yet well learned away FROM those men . If I were going into a church for example and I knew its teacher was bad news , I would not bring a babe with me . Because the unlearned can be memorized at certain things . NOPE I would expose the man by myself , if anything I would bring only seasoned ones with me . I would never put a babe into one of his teachings , out of danger it could sway that babe . Thus I bring more the direction and Show who he supports and yes what he does . But his teachings can seduce the unlearned , because he can spin like no bodies business butero . Yes , its true that if a lamb stumbles upon that which is false , GOD will be their to unction them , ITS WRONG , at the same TIME HE unctions those who are learned KEEP them FROM this doctrine , from this man , for this man is a seducer with a POWERFUL delusion , spirits and such . I truly wish no ill for TODD , how I would have loved and would still love to see him repent , BUT TILL or IF HE DOES , he must be warned against and the danger must not be downplayed . Even francis chan is long going into this direction . I got bad news about him too . it seems many men are going into this end time unity mindset . But as, by grace I warned The only ones who will not , are the true lambs . Every other religion , and every faith within even Christendom , and the world will continue to unite more and more under this unity lie . Aint a thing I can do to stop it , but I can warn against it and pray its received and heeded to steer clear of this movement .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 10:26:10 GMT -5
and how true that is , They do come along and see folks like todd white and others and think wow these are so much better than COPELAND and yet TODD praises that COPELAND big time , Todd speaks out like it is hate to even judge Copeland . WHAT do you THINK that will and is doing to the minds of those who once fled Copeland and others like him . I WILL TELL you what it is doing , I SEEN IT . WHEN TODD praised copleand and made it seem like its gossip to warn against him , THAT CROWD WENT WILD WITH CHEER . HE IS SEDUCING THEM BUTERO . I tell us all , ITS WHAT THEY DO . ITS WHAT THEY DO . any false one can come in sounding way more like the group its targeting and yet be their to head them RIGHT back into what they once fled from . He is bad news . And the folks sitting under him , are buying into what and how it spins everything . Kenneth Copeland seems like he is preparing a people to join the RCC. It is like he is wanting to lead protestants back up under the RCC after they escaped, like there was a company that wanted to return to Egypt after God brought them out. That man is dangerous! IF I can find a vidoe , not only will it seem like KENNETH has been doing this , IT SHOWS HIM DOING IT and SAYING IT . And TODD is pointing all , right back to KENNETH COPELAND . if todd says its a sin to warn against Copeland and calls it gossip and slander THEN how on earth can one warn against what KENNETH IS DOING , without seeming like to all who believe TODD , as though these are not haters . TODD KNOWS what he is doing , I watched him . HE IS seducing these people . HE is bringing and helping to bring the folds who are still separated from Kenneth and others , BACK TOGETHER to be as one . THAT is their mission and they KNOW how to get the job done . Its total bad news .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:30:29 GMT -5
God's strength is perfected in our weakness. As long as we each are relying on Him in the integrity of our heart, and not on man (including and especially our own self) then He will lead and guide each one. Whenever I am confused or overwhelmed at anything I run to the Lord and He helps to sort me out. Like here on this thread I just didn't know what was what or how to reply so I went to the Lord.
This is just expressing what I think we all know, but it's sometimes helpful for me to sort things out by putting them into words. I believe trumpets and warnings are for the purpose of alerting and waking us up so that we will open our eyes and seek the LORD about it (we even test the warnings). It's not that we are to just believe and accept every person and every warning at face value, but in our own integrity we each need to be assured in our own heart that we are hearing the Lord's voice. It's like we can be going along about our business grazing in the field so to speak and not realize that the enemy is hiding behind those bushes nearby....really how could we, when they just look like ordinary bushes and the enemy is an expert deceiver....unless the Lord lets us know, through a trumpet warning that someone else gives or an inward unction, etc. It is not a matter of shame to think some person or group is true when they really are not...it is just a matter of being alerted by the Lord so that we will then seek Him about it, and open our eyes to check that thing out more carefully. And the Lord will then answer and guide us faithfully as long as we are willing to hear Him and be guided by Him. We don't want to rely on ourselves or on others, but we learn to rely on the Lord and that is why we will lay our crowns at His feet in the end, it will be thanks to Him alone that we are led safely Home. One problem that we run into quite often is if we become "married" to an idea or doctrine or movement or minister or church, then we will less likely be willing to lay it down on the altar long enough to hear the Lord about it. I'm sure we've all hit that brick wall in trying to talk to people about certain things. It is actually spiritual adultery/fornication, and why we find that those who are "married" to something in that way will not usually hear a warning about it or be corrected, they just aren't willing to. So we should try to not be married to anything but Christ and Him crucified and that way stand positioned not only as faithful to Him alone but also with the blessing of being more easily taught and guided by Him.
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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 10:40:27 GMT -5
God's strength is perfected in our weakness. As long as we each are relying on Him in the integrity of our heart, and not on man (including and especially our own self) then He will lead and guide each one. Whenever I am confused or overwhelmed at anything I run to the Lord and He helps to sort me out. Like here on this thread I just didn't know what was what or how to reply so I went to the Lord. This is just expressing what I think we all know, but it's sometimes helpful for me to sort things out by putting them into words. I believe trumpets and warnings are for the purpose of alerting and waking us up so that we will open our eyes and seek the LORD about it (we even test the warnings). It's not that we are to just believe and accept every person and every warning at face value, but in our own integrity we each need to be assured in our own heart that we are hearing the Lord's voice. It's like we can be going along about our business grazing in the field so to speak and not realize that the enemy is hiding behind those bushes nearby....really how could we, when they just look like ordinary bushes and the enemy is an expert deceiver....unless the Lord lets us know, through a trumpet warning that someone else gives or an inward unction, etc. It is not a matter of shame to think some person or group is true when they really are not...it is just a matter of being alerted by the Lord so that we will then seek Him about it, and open our eyes to check that thing out more carefully. And the Lord will then answer and guide us faithfully as long as we are willing to hear Him and be guided by Him. We don't want to rely on ourselves or on others, but we learn to rely on the Lord and that is why we will lay our crowns at His feet in the end, it will be thanks to Him alone that we are led safely Home. One problem that we run into quite often is if we become "married" to an idea or doctrine or movement or minister or church, then we will less likely be willing to lay it down on the altar long enough to hear the Lord about it. I'm sure we've all hit that brick wall in trying to talk to people about certain things. It is actually spiritual adultery/fornication, and why we find that those who are "married" to something in that way will not usually hear a warning about it or be corrected, they just aren't willing to. So we should try to not be married to anything but Christ and Him crucified and that way stand positioned not only as faithful to Him alone but also with the blessing of being more easily taught and guided by Him. I know what you mean, and I have certainly run into that before. The problem is, I see them as the ones who are married to something false and unwilling to receive the truth, and they see me as the obstinate one. We all deal with that.
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Post by 777 on Feb 14, 2020 10:41:53 GMT -5
Kenneth Copeland seems like he is preparing a people to join the RCC. It is like he is wanting to lead protestants back up under the RCC after they escaped, like there was a company that wanted to return to Egypt after God brought them out. That man is dangerous! IF I can find a vidoe , not only will it seem like KENNETH has been doing this , IT SHOWS HIM DOING IT and SAYING IT . And TODD is pointing all , right back to KENNETH COPELAND . if todd says its a sin to warn against Copeland and calls it gossip and slander THEN how on earth can one warn against what KENNETH IS DOING , without seeming like to all who believe TODD , as though these are not haters . TODD KNOWS what he is doing , I watched him . HE IS seducing these people . HE is bringing and helping to bring the folds who are still separated from Kenneth and others , BACK TOGETHER to be as one . THAT is their mission and they KNOW how to get the job done . Its total bad news . If that is what he is doing, I don't know why his whole congregation doesn't just abandon him and join the RCC? If he is telling them all that the Pope is his hero, and he is trying to bring them back to Rome, and they believe Copeland is in the truth, what are they waiting for? Things like this don't make any sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:57:22 GMT -5
God's strength is perfected in our weakness. As long as we each are relying on Him in the integrity of our heart, and not on man (including and especially our own self) then He will lead and guide each one. Whenever I am confused or overwhelmed at anything I run to the Lord and He helps to sort me out. Like here on this thread I just didn't know what was what or how to reply so I went to the Lord. This is just expressing what I think we all know, but it's sometimes helpful for me to sort things out by putting them into words. I believe trumpets and warnings are for the purpose of alerting and waking us up so that we will open our eyes and seek the LORD about it (we even test the warnings). It's not that we are to just believe and accept every person and every warning at face value, but in our own integrity we each need to be assured in our own heart that we are hearing the Lord's voice. It's like we can be going along about our business grazing in the field so to speak and not realize that the enemy is hiding behind those bushes nearby....really how could we, when they just look like ordinary bushes and the enemy is an expert deceiver....unless the Lord lets us know, through a trumpet warning that someone else gives or an inward unction, etc. It is not a matter of shame to think some person or group is true when they really are not...it is just a matter of being alerted by the Lord so that we will then seek Him about it, and open our eyes to check that thing out more carefully. And the Lord will then answer and guide us faithfully as long as we are willing to hear Him and be guided by Him. We don't want to rely on ourselves or on others, but we learn to rely on the Lord and that is why we will lay our crowns at His feet in the end, it will be thanks to Him alone that we are led safely Home. One problem that we run into quite often is if we become "married" to an idea or doctrine or movement or minister or church, then we will less likely be willing to lay it down on the altar long enough to hear the Lord about it. I'm sure we've all hit that brick wall in trying to talk to people about certain things. It is actually spiritual adultery/fornication, and why we find that those who are "married" to something in that way will not usually hear a warning about it or be corrected, they just aren't willing to. So we should try to not be married to anything but Christ and Him crucified and that way stand positioned not only as faithful to Him alone but also with the blessing of being more easily taught and guided by Him. I know what you mean, and I have certainly run into that before. The problem is, I see them as the ones who are married to something false and unwilling to receive the truth, and they see me as the obstinate one. We all deal with that. Yes, and I think the thing is, that all anyone can do is speak the truth, alert and warn as they are led to, and pray.....but people have a free will before God so we can't force or coerce anyone to heed the truth. We are only God's servants, but we are not God. He is the only one who can change hearts, if the person is willing to seek and allow Him to. All we can do is alert and warn people if we see that they need to be alerted.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 10:58:41 GMT -5
IF I can find a vidoe , not only will it seem like KENNETH has been doing this , IT SHOWS HIM DOING IT and SAYING IT . And TODD is pointing all , right back to KENNETH COPELAND . if todd says its a sin to warn against Copeland and calls it gossip and slander THEN how on earth can one warn against what KENNETH IS DOING , without seeming like to all who believe TODD , as though these are not haters . TODD KNOWS what he is doing , I watched him . HE IS seducing these people . HE is bringing and helping to bring the folds who are still separated from Kenneth and others , BACK TOGETHER to be as one . THAT is their mission and they KNOW how to get the job done . Its total bad news . If that is what he is doing, I don't know why his whole congregation doesn't just abandon him and join the RCC? If he is telling them all that the Pope is his hero, and he is trying to bring them back to Rome, and they believe Copeland is in the truth, what are they waiting for? Things like this don't make any sense to me. Because its not about abandoning the protestant faith for the catholic faith , ITs about JOINING them to be as one . its not like folks are going to claim to be catholic , but they will claim IT as TRUTH . This vidoe did not even include where Copeland says my favorite day is when I met pope francis , this vidoe don't even include so many protestant names and well known leaders , WHO DO THIS TOO . THIS IS THE UNITY OF THE CHURCHES , AND ITS A BAD ONE . this vidoe is older , I think about four years old with some clips not quite that old either . And another show was just done for the world to see . All under a guise of unity . Pence praised the pope for making him a hero . Pence did leave the catholic religion and it caused division among his own family , But upon meeting the POPE just less than a month ago , HE praises the POPE . THIS is a political show , that is why this is . It will make francis look even better . What we will witness in the days ahead are also more of this liberal christanity replacing the true . They have an agenda and it will get worse in twenty twenty . They will target churches who are not inclusive and make them look real bad . taylor swift , others like lady gaga , WHO pretend to be christain WILL SELL their inclusive version as being the REAL THING and our old fashioned bible one , as being the WRONG DEAL . YOU WAIT and WATCH . SEE , its gained a lot of ground over the years . AND NOW they are bold enough and not only will they continue trying to sway ANY CHURCH that has not yet conformed to their version , I AM TELLING US all out slander and verbal attacks will big time increase . Hate for truth is INCREASING HUGE and its coming in large under and from the guise of those who come from within , but are not OF US . They know , the enemy knows , you cant beat the church by coming against it from outside , BUT COME in as one amongst them and that is how ye shall deceive them and now even cause the already deceived to only hate more those who still resist . They figured out they could not beat the true church , SO they did as men always do , they now come and play christain in order to convince us THEY ARE and their version IS RIGHT and ours is wrong . THIS WILL INCREASE MORE AND MORE . And more hearts will be turned unto this unity and more hate will increase against all who resisted and still resist it . FOLKS , we better armour up and fear not man . I warned us long ago , by grace the time is coming when the true lambs will be seen as monsters and haters of humanity , and the false church and her inclusive ways as the solution for all the worlds ills . THEY got a scapegoat for the worlds ills too , ITS the true lambs who are not conforming . THIS is going to step up only more and more in the days ahead .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 10:58:53 GMT -5
IF I can find a vidoe , not only will it seem like KENNETH has been doing this , IT SHOWS HIM DOING IT and SAYING IT . And TODD is pointing all , right back to KENNETH COPELAND . if todd says its a sin to warn against Copeland and calls it gossip and slander THEN how on earth can one warn against what KENNETH IS DOING , without seeming like to all who believe TODD , as though these are not haters . TODD KNOWS what he is doing , I watched him . HE IS seducing these people . HE is bringing and helping to bring the folds who are still separated from Kenneth and others , BACK TOGETHER to be as one . THAT is their mission and they KNOW how to get the job done . Its total bad news . If that is what he is doing, I don't know why his whole congregation doesn't just abandon him and join the RCC? If he is telling them all that the Pope is his hero, and he is trying to bring them back to Rome, and they believe Copeland is in the truth, what are they waiting for? Things like this don't make any sense to me. I consider that they are all deceived from the leadership on down.....all are being slowly lulled to sleep by the devil and he is reeling them in slowly and subtly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 11:59:31 GMT -5
Butero , I just got so depressed at this statement . BUT TODD WHITE KNOWS EVERYTHING KENNETH TEACHES , HE KNOWS exactly WHAT KENNETH IS and HE LOVES it all . OH butero he is infautuated with the man . Todd is more dangerous than even Kenneth . You watch exactly what direction he will take all who sit under him . It wont be long for we see ol todd dropping even clearer hints And when HE DOES , no worries I wont say I TOLD the people SO , but I did warn them . My point is that King Jehoshaphat knew how evil King Ahab was and still called him his brother and went into battle with him. That didn't mean that they were birds of a feather and one was as bad as the other. It didn't mean that you could say that Jehoshaphat was as bad or worse than Ahab and then show Ahab's list of sins as proof because Jehoshaphat called him his brother. The same thing applies with Todd White.
The thing is, I do believe Todd White is teaching things that are false. I watched him say things I know were not right for myself. They were not on the same level as Copeland, but they were still in error. I am going to judge Todd White on his message, not Kenneth Copeland's message. They aren't preaching the exact same thing.
It really doesn't matter if Todd White gets worse down the road and you tell people you told them so or not. I am still only going to judge him based on what he says and does. If he turns around down the road and gets more heretical than Copeland, so be it. I still won't feel like I was wrong today, because I am judging him based on what he is doing now, and what I have seen him say thus far. If he gets worse, that means the situation has worsened and the assessment must change. That would mean conditions on the ground changed.
But as far as I can see, everyone agrees that based on White's own teaching, he is not in the truth. I don't know if Solid is totally convinced he is a false teacher, but even he admitted that he saw the error in that message I pointed him to. I don't think he is more dangerous than Copeland. I don't see how that is possible, but he could be as bad. Only time will tell.
I think one root problem is that these false ones are really drawing followers after themselves, rather than after Jesus. It's usually the case for most newer believers to be depending on preachers/teachers in a way, but it's so important to learn not to. Ever believer needs to grow and get weaned off them so that we are following Christ alone. The Lord uses different people and gifts in His body, but the point is to not be relying on them, but relying on the Lord and then He is the one who speaks to us or ministers to us through others who are simply vessels of the Lord that He is pouring out of.
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Post by Dezi on Feb 14, 2020 13:20:46 GMT -5
You may be surprised, but I agree with that. I just wish these attack videos would focus on Todd White's message, not his associations. You can show both, but the main focus needs to be on where Todd White is teaching false doctrine. It is there. If you look hard enough, you can find it.
Yes we have to expose both . the problem is most folks DO NOT KNOW those bibles . Todd is preaching a love that was long taught before He stepped up , so its so easy to sway those brought up under that stuff . And this is why we must keep all lambs , specially those not yet well learned away FROM those men . If I were going into a church for example and I knew its teacher was bad news , I would not bring a babe with me . Because the unlearned can be memorized at certain things . NOPE I would expose the man by myself , if anything I would bring only seasoned ones with me . I would never put a babe into one of his teachings , out of danger it could sway that babe . Thus I bring more the direction and Show who he supports and yes what he does . But his teachings can seduce the unlearned , because he can spin like no bodies business butero . Yes , its true that if a lamb stumbles upon that which is false , GOD will be their to unction them , ITS WRONG , at the same TIME HE unctions those who are learned KEEP them FROM this doctrine , from this man , for this man is a seducer with a POWERFUL delusion , spirits and such . I truly wish no ill for TODD , how I would have loved and would still love to see him repent , BUT TILL or IF HE DOES , he must be warned against and the danger must not be downplayed . Even francis chan is long going into this direction . I got bad news about him too . it seems many men are going into this end time unity mindset . But as, by grace I warned The only ones who will not , are the true lambs . Every other religion , and every faith within even Christendom , and the world will continue to unite more and more under this unity lie . Aint a thing I can do to stop it , but I can warn against it and pray its received and heeded to steer clear of this movement . frienduff.... God showed me 2 years ago to stop watching these TV ministers... they are all part of this movement and are being used by the enemy. So many that are not even big Minsters but are writing books that are full of false teachings. Will you share a little with me about Todd White? I am asking because I know several people who are mesmerized by him. I have not wanted to watch his stuff because the Lord took me away from most everything and had me reading the Word the last two years instead. What does he teach that is false? I would like to be able to share with my friends what is false about his teachings?
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Post by frienduff on Feb 14, 2020 17:52:11 GMT -5
Yes we have to expose both . the problem is most folks DO NOT KNOW those bibles . Todd is preaching a love that was long taught before He stepped up , so its so easy to sway those brought up under that stuff . And this is why we must keep all lambs , specially those not yet well learned away FROM those men . If I were going into a church for example and I knew its teacher was bad news , I would not bring a babe with me . Because the unlearned can be memorized at certain things . NOPE I would expose the man by myself , if anything I would bring only seasoned ones with me . I would never put a babe into one of his teachings , out of danger it could sway that babe . Thus I bring more the direction and Show who he supports and yes what he does . But his teachings can seduce the unlearned , because he can spin like no bodies business butero . Yes , its true that if a lamb stumbles upon that which is false , GOD will be their to unction them , ITS WRONG , at the same TIME HE unctions those who are learned KEEP them FROM this doctrine , from this man , for this man is a seducer with a POWERFUL delusion , spirits and such . I truly wish no ill for TODD , how I would have loved and would still love to see him repent , BUT TILL or IF HE DOES , he must be warned against and the danger must not be downplayed . Even francis chan is long going into this direction . I got bad news about him too . it seems many men are going into this end time unity mindset . But as, by grace I warned The only ones who will not , are the true lambs . Every other religion , and every faith within even Christendom , and the world will continue to unite more and more under this unity lie . Aint a thing I can do to stop it , but I can warn against it and pray its received and heeded to steer clear of this movement . frienduff.... God showed me 2 years ago to stop watching these TV ministers... they are all part of this movement and are being used by the enemy. So many that are not even big Minsters but are writing books that are full of false teachings. Will you share a little with me about Todd White? I am asking because I know several people who are mesmerized by him. I have not wanted to watch his stuff because the Lord took me away from most everything and had me reading the Word the last two years instead. What does he teach that is false? I would like to be able to share with my friends what is false about his teachings? Don't watch it . that's right . its so depressing the way that man spins stuff . God showed you RIGHT SISTER . FLEE THEM ALL . Lets just learn our bibles more and more .
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