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Post by solid on Feb 14, 2020 18:47:26 GMT -5
Yes we have to expose both . the problem is most folks DO NOT KNOW those bibles . Todd is preaching a love that was long taught before He stepped up , so its so easy to sway those brought up under that stuff . And this is why we must keep all lambs , specially those not yet well learned away FROM those men . If I were going into a church for example and I knew its teacher was bad news , I would not bring a babe with me . Because the unlearned can be memorized at certain things . NOPE I would expose the man by myself , if anything I would bring only seasoned ones with me . I would never put a babe into one of his teachings , out of danger it could sway that babe . Thus I bring more the direction and Show who he supports and yes what he does . But his teachings can seduce the unlearned , because he can spin like no bodies business butero . Yes , its true that if a lamb stumbles upon that which is false , GOD will be their to unction them , ITS WRONG , at the same TIME HE unctions those who are learned KEEP them FROM this doctrine , from this man , for this man is a seducer with a POWERFUL delusion , spirits and such . I truly wish no ill for TODD , how I would have loved and would still love to see him repent , BUT TILL or IF HE DOES , he must be warned against and the danger must not be downplayed . Even francis chan is long going into this direction . I got bad news about him too . it seems many men are going into this end time unity mindset . But as, by grace I warned The only ones who will not , are the true lambs . Every other religion , and every faith within even Christendom , and the world will continue to unite more and more under this unity lie . Aint a thing I can do to stop it , but I can warn against it and pray its received and heeded to steer clear of this movement . frienduff.... God showed me 2 years ago to stop watching these TV ministers... they are all part of this movement and are being used by the enemy. So many that are not even big Minsters but are writing books that are full of false teachings. Will you share a little with me about Todd White? I am asking because I know several people who are mesmerized by him. I have not wanted to watch his stuff because the Lord took me away from most everything and had me reading the Word the last two years instead. What does he teach that is false? I would like to be able to share with my friends what is false about his teachings? John mentioned some false things White was teaching in the other thread. I had started watching him some after all of the comments about him. It made me curious. I kind of liked him. He seemed to be saying good things, but I found the message John mentioned, and watched it. I probably wouldn't have noticed the false if I wasn't looking for it. It is subtle. I will look for the post that mentioned it.
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Post by Giller on Feb 15, 2020 22:48:09 GMT -5
Yes that is true . but no seasoned leader TEACHES straight up false hoods all the time and hangs out with those who do so . And let us say a leader does have an error . Bet they repent as fast as peter and barnabas did when paul rebuked them . SO why don't most today . Ponder that one . I watched the worst vidoe ever , so dead and boring , but I watched it , had too . And I watched a man exalt Kenneth copleland for over ten minutes straight in one is his teachings . He went on and on about the man , about his eyes , about the power he has . Even if Kenneth had been a true man of GOD , I would have rebuked this man for the way he flat out idolizes that man . BUT even worse , Kenneth is one of the worst ones in the protestant camp . And this man , his lover in arms TODD WHITE , just mesmorized a crowd about the man as though Kenneth was GOD himself . I KID you not . I nearly died the first six mins in and had to stop it . Then another said , to continue watching , so I did . it got so bad I had to cut it off around the sixteen minute mark But again one reminded me , no finish watching it , MY GOODNESS it got only worse . I nearly fell ill for the sake of narrow way , having to force my self to watch that vidoe . AND I am begging and pleading alll of us , DONT even PEEK in the direction of todd white . Butero , he is far slicker than even Kenneth , the man KNOWS how to spin like a silver spider the most craftily spun web . And most cant discern this at the level they ought too . SO its good enough for me , if we simply stay far away from that man . The only good thing I can say , is that I don't see anyone here that even supports that man . But I warn and reminded us , because I see how crafity that man is . he can spin as well as francis does , YET harder to detect him , because he goes under the evangelical title and francis goes under the catholic one . Todd is slicker than Kenneth only in this one way , HE was wise enough not to tell his group as did kenneht that francis is his hero . TODD sits over a group that was not as far tainted as the group Kenneth sat over , But todd is every bit as dangerous and more so , cause he spins like one I have never seen spin before . The main difference I see between Kenneth and todd , IS NOT THIER IDEOLOGY , NO THEY BELEIVE THE SAME , its their approach on how to get the job done . Kenneth is more straight forward and more theologically sounding ,though its dead theology , while TODD is more of an emotion tapper and big time spinner , not nearly as theological SOUNDING as Kenneth , OH but no less dangerous than Kenneth HE IS . You said something that got me thinking. When Peter got off, he had Paul to get him back on the right path. Who corrected Todd White?
After seeing his associations, and looking at the videos in the thread about him, and looking at the message John said was off, I will not follow him. We need to avoid anyone not in the truth, but I doubt anyone really made a serious attempt to correct him. I have a feeling that he has been corrected or that some have tried to, because in one of the videos I posted, he mentions having heard people say things against Copeland's doctrine, yet he still defended him. And I say this because of other things I read as well, which seems to point in that direction. And email wise he seems like a really hard person to contact, I could not find any email to contact him with.
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Post by Giller on Feb 15, 2020 22:56:16 GMT -5
Yes we have to expose both . the problem is most folks DO NOT KNOW those bibles . Todd is preaching a love that was long taught before He stepped up , so its so easy to sway those brought up under that stuff . And this is why we must keep all lambs , specially those not yet well learned away FROM those men . If I were going into a church for example and I knew its teacher was bad news , I would not bring a babe with me . Because the unlearned can be memorized at certain things . NOPE I would expose the man by myself , if anything I would bring only seasoned ones with me . I would never put a babe into one of his teachings , out of danger it could sway that babe . Thus I bring more the direction and Show who he supports and yes what he does . But his teachings can seduce the unlearned , because he can spin like no bodies business butero . Yes , its true that if a lamb stumbles upon that which is false , GOD will be their to unction them , ITS WRONG , at the same TIME HE unctions those who are learned KEEP them FROM this doctrine , from this man , for this man is a seducer with a POWERFUL delusion , spirits and such . I truly wish no ill for TODD , how I would have loved and would still love to see him repent , BUT TILL or IF HE DOES , he must be warned against and the danger must not be downplayed . Even francis chan is long going into this direction . I got bad news about him too . it seems many men are going into this end time unity mindset . But as, by grace I warned The only ones who will not , are the true lambs . Every other religion , and every faith within even Christendom , and the world will continue to unite more and more under this unity lie . Aint a thing I can do to stop it , but I can warn against it and pray its received and heeded to steer clear of this movement . frienduff.... God showed me 2 years ago to stop watching these TV ministers... they are all part of this movement and are being used by the enemy. So many that are not even big Minsters but are writing books that are full of false teachings. Will you share a little with me about Todd White? I am asking because I know several people who are mesmerized by him. I have not wanted to watch his stuff because the Lord took me away from most everything and had me reading the Word the last two years instead. What does he teach that is false? I would like to be able to share with my friends what is false about his teachings? Dezi, just look at what I mention in these next links, which has many videos, and things that Todd mentions: narrow-way-forums.freeforums.net/thread/2207/todd-white-connections-copeland-rcc?page=4narrow-way-forums.freeforums.net/thread/2207/todd-white-connections-copeland-rcc?page=6It should give you enough info.
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Post by Giller on Feb 15, 2020 23:21:19 GMT -5
One preacher my friend told me about is this Bill Randles.
He is a man that use to be in the prosperity gospel, but has truly repented of it, and now preaches against it, and when he first preached against it, at his assembly, a good chunk of people left.
Now I do not know what all his beliefs are, all I know is that what I heard overall, seems pretty decent.
I had read how that there was a controversy between his ministry and the Muriel ministry, and I asked my friend about it, since he knows both these ministries, and he feels that Muriel was making something bigger than what it was, and there may have been some info that was off somewhat.
But whatever the case, there is no one I trust 100%, but he may be one of those preachers were you can get some good stuff now and again, but always remember to check your bible.
No one is perfect, but in saying that, we should never use that as an excuse for not going forward, and not decreasing in the ways of the flesh, for we surely need to increasing in the ways of God, and I love it when I see preachers preach on holiness, the cross, and such like.
I have enjoyed many preaches from David Wilkerson, and a bit from Leonard Ravenhill, though I have not listened to many of his (Leonard's), and Tozer, at least in the certain things I read of his, and heard, has blessed me quite a bit.
I do not know what all his beliefs are, but he has blessed me with some of his stuff.
One thing I find that is not taught much in a true way, and it even is almost shunned, is holiness, I mean true holiness.
Sometimes you get a weird stare from other suppose to be Christians, when you mention holiness.
Holiness is one thing that is becoming more and more extinct in what we call churches.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 16, 2020 4:29:55 GMT -5
There's this guy:
I'm not sure what his name is but he drew an astonishing connection between the order of the placement of each item in the Tabernacle of Meeting from Exodus and the seven I am statements from Jesus in the book of John. Im blown away.
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Post by Giller on Feb 16, 2020 9:58:19 GMT -5
There's this guy: I'm not sure what his name is but he drew an astonishing connection between the order of the placement of each item in the Tabernacle of Meeting from Exodus and the seven I am statements from Jesus in the book of John. Im blown away. I will have to find some time today, to look at this video.
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Post by Dezi on Feb 16, 2020 12:56:24 GMT -5
frienduff.... God showed me 2 years ago to stop watching these TV ministers... they are all part of this movement and are being used by the enemy. So many that are not even big Minsters but are writing books that are full of false teachings. Will you share a little with me about Todd White? I am asking because I know several people who are mesmerized by him. I have not wanted to watch his stuff because the Lord took me away from most everything and had me reading the Word the last two years instead. What does he teach that is false? I would like to be able to share with my friends what is false about his teachings? Dezi, just look at what I mention in these next links, which has many videos, and things that Todd mentions: narrow-way-forums.freeforums.net/thread/2207/todd-white-connections-copeland-rcc?page=4narrow-way-forums.freeforums.net/thread/2207/todd-white-connections-copeland-rcc?page=6It should give you enough info. Thank you Brother! His teachings are very subtle and I would not have caught all of the falsities if not looking for them, just like Solid said. But, I am glad that I feel the Lord showed me not to follow such men even though I was picking up on all of the false teachings!
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Post by frienduff on Feb 16, 2020 13:37:12 GMT -5
Thank you Brother! His teachings are very subtle and I would not have caught all of the falsities if not looking for them, just like Solid said. But, I am glad that I feel the Lord showed me not to follow such men even though I was picking up on all of the false teachings! That's right sister , the LORD is looking out for His lambs . Sister ……...you are LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVED . HANDS UP and REJOICE IN THE LORD and in THE LORD let all rejoice .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 17, 2020 18:18:19 GMT -5
I love watching this street preacher!
It seems like the more developed a country or city is, the more resistance or indifference he faces!
Here he is in Serbia.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2020 18:33:17 GMT -5
You said something that got me thinking. When Peter got off, he had Paul to get him back on the right path. Who corrected Todd White?
After seeing his associations, and looking at the videos in the thread about him, and looking at the message John said was off, I will not follow him. We need to avoid anyone not in the truth, but I doubt anyone really made a serious attempt to correct him. I have a feeling that he has been corrected or that some have tried to, because in one of the videos I posted, he mentions having heard people say things against Copeland's doctrine, yet he still defended him. And I say this because of other things I read as well, which seems to point in that direction. And email wise he seems like a really hard person to contact, I could not find any email to contact him with. What kind of defense can he offer for Copeland? Does he actually try to defend his heretical teachings?
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Post by Giller on Feb 17, 2020 18:39:02 GMT -5
I have a feeling that he has been corrected or that some have tried to, because in one of the videos I posted, he mentions having heard people say things against Copeland's doctrine, yet he still defended him. And I say this because of other things I read as well, which seems to point in that direction. And email wise he seems like a really hard person to contact, I could not find any email to contact him with. What kind of defense can he offer for Copeland? Does he actually try to defend his heretical teachings?
Well in one of the videos, that I showed he was mentioning the Abrahamic covenant, and tied it in with Copeland, he may not have mentioned word for word the words prosperity gospel, but he was defending Copeland in his teachings of it, for when Copeland mentions the Abrahamic covenant, he is talking about us getting rich and so forth, and Todd was defending this, even though not saying getting rich word for word, he is subtle.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2020 18:40:42 GMT -5
I love watching this street preacher! It seems like the more developed a country or city is, the more resistance or indifference he faces! Here he is in Serbia. I have never seen him. Does he go to many different places?
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 17, 2020 18:51:21 GMT -5
I love watching this street preacher! It seems like the more developed a country or city is, the more resistance or indifference he faces! Here he is in Serbia. I have never seen him. Does he go to many different places?
He's been all over. In Australia, Wales, and Canada, the hostility towards the gospel was awful. He also goes to gay pride parades and gets assualted and threats. Still some of his harshest opponents are the ones who come back for prayer. But the people in Kenya, South Africa, South America, and India would stop and listen and many cane forward to receive salvation!
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Post by Giller on Feb 18, 2020 13:08:00 GMT -5
One person that is good on prayer is Jim Cymbala.
A friend has told me that Jim does have a friend that is in the ecumenical movement, which he speaks to him and warns him, but Jim himself does not participate in these events, my friend told me that Jim speaks against ecumenicalism.
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Post by Giller on Feb 18, 2020 14:17:44 GMT -5
One person that I do want to talk about, which there is controversies concerning him , is Jimmy Swaggart.
In certain things such as the cross and sanctification, on "most things" of this nature I would agree with him.
And on end times stuff, in general he is fairly accurate especially as it relates the general aspects of prophecy, though I do not agree on all points which concerns prophecy.
None is perfect, but I do know that there is this controversy with his son Donnie.
I do not know all the facts behind the claims, all I know is that it is said that he was married at least 3 times, but I do know, that right now he is back with his first wife.
When I have watched him, I never seen this thing about these other wives, I have only personally seen him with the one he had his children with.
So I do not know how accurate the claims are, though there is probably some merits to it.
I do not know if repentance happened, or any of the details, all I know is that they never speak about it.
And of course they are for women preachers, which the bible speaks against.
I have gotten blessed by many of the preachers at Jimmy's, especially people like Loren Larson, and sometimes Jimmy and so on.
But concerning this ministry, I sometimes get blessed, and sometimes somewhat turned off.
Sometimes I tuned them in, and sometimes I tune them off.
I do know that they speak against things such as ecumenicalism, Rick Warren's teachings, people like Joel Osteen, the prosperity gospel, and the inclusive gospel, although sometimes certain things Jimmy's ministry does, can get people to question some certain actions.
But the most important thing is to get into our bibles, and see what thus saith the Lord.
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