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Post by Rejoice on Feb 13, 2020 8:55:03 GMT -5
Did Jephtah really sacrifice his daughter, and did God want him to?
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Post by 777 on Feb 13, 2020 12:03:29 GMT -5
It appears that he did. He made a foolish oath, and was afraid that if he didn't follow through, it would bring a curse on all the people of Israel. God never demanded human sacrifice, but did expect people to fulfil an oath. It is a tragic story.
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Post by Rejoice on Feb 13, 2020 13:37:56 GMT -5
It seems like murder would be worse than breaking a vow? Do you think a curse would've come on them if he didn't do it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:52:45 GMT -5
In Judges 11:30-31, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, made a foolish vow that if God gave him victory in the upcoming battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home. Jephthah was victorious in the battle against the Ammonites (Judges 11:32-33). When Jephthah returned home after the battle, his daughter came to greet him (Judges 11:34). Jephthah was devastated and stated that he had made a vow to the Lord that he could not break (Judges 11:35). Jephthah’s daughter asked for a two month “reprieve,” and Jephthah granted her request (Judges 11:36-38). The passage then states that Jephthah “did to her as he had vowed” (Judges 11:39).
The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."
Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 13, 2020 19:07:01 GMT -5
In Judges 11:30-31, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, made a foolish vow that if God gave him victory in the upcoming battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home. Jephthah was victorious in the battle against the Ammonites (Judges 11:32-33). When Jephthah returned home after the battle, his daughter came to greet him (Judges 11:34). Jephthah was devastated and stated that he had made a vow to the Lord that he could not break (Judges 11:35). Jephthah’s daughter asked for a two month “reprieve,” and Jephthah granted her request (Judges 11:36-38). The passage then states that Jephthah “did to her as he had vowed” (Judges 11:39).
The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."
Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word. That was what he did . He made a sacrifice of her . but he did not have her sacrificed per say , IT says SHE never knew a man . It sounds like he dedicated her to the service of the temple .
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Post by Rejoice on Feb 14, 2020 7:43:36 GMT -5
In Judges 11:30-31, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, made a foolish vow that if God gave him victory in the upcoming battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home. Jephthah was victorious in the battle against the Ammonites (Judges 11:32-33). When Jephthah returned home after the battle, his daughter came to greet him (Judges 11:34). Jephthah was devastated and stated that he had made a vow to the Lord that he could not break (Judges 11:35). Jephthah’s daughter asked for a two month “reprieve,” and Jephthah granted her request (Judges 11:36-38). The passage then states that Jephthah “did to her as he had vowed” (Judges 11:39).
The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."
Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word. It looks to me like he sacrificed her too. It was a crazy vow to make. Who did he think would greet him when he got home? Thanks, and thanks to everyone that gave an answer. You've all been a big help to me.
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Post by John on Feb 19, 2020 18:01:33 GMT -5
In Judges 11:30-31, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, made a foolish vow that if God gave him victory in the upcoming battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home. Jephthah was victorious in the battle against the Ammonites (Judges 11:32-33). When Jephthah returned home after the battle, his daughter came to greet him (Judges 11:34). Jephthah was devastated and stated that he had made a vow to the Lord that he could not break (Judges 11:35). Jephthah’s daughter asked for a two month “reprieve,” and Jephthah granted her request (Judges 11:36-38). The passage then states that Jephthah “did to her as he had vowed” (Judges 11:39).
The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."
Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word. It looks to me like he sacrificed her too. It was a crazy vow to make. Who did he think would greet him when he got home? Thanks, and thanks to everyone that gave an answer. You've all been a big help to me. When you look at Judges 11:39-40, it seems obvious that Jephthah did offer his daughter as a burnt offering.
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
I can't see the daughters of Israel going annually to lament the daughter of Jephthah if she simply was dedicated to the Lord and remained unmarried. That doesn't make any sense. The one thing to remember is that God never asked Jephthah, or anyone else, to ever sacrifice people to him. Jephthah simply made a foolish oath and bound himself. What would have happened if he failed to keep the vow? That is a good question, and one we will never know the answer to. It does make me think of a foolish thing King Saul did. Saul had charged the people with an oath that nobody was to eat any food on a particular day, and anyone who did would be accursed. His son Jonathan was not there when the oath was made, but he was fighting the Philistines. He tasted some honey, and because of that, Saul was going to put him to death. Because of the broken oath, God wouldn't answer Saul through the prophets to tell him whether or not he should go into battle against the Philistines. The people intervened on Jonathan's behalf, and he wasn't put to death. I am not aware of any serious consequences of that broken oath. Still, the most important lesson I get from this is to avoid making oaths. Jesus warned us that swearing can lead to sin, and we shouldn't make oaths. That story about Saul, and his foolish oath will be part of our Bible reading tomorrow. I got one day ahead.
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Post by Rejoice on Feb 20, 2020 7:53:04 GMT -5
Thanks. I was just reading that story about Jonathan this morning.
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Post by Rejoice on Feb 20, 2020 8:01:07 GMT -5
It is hard to believe that this woman returned, knowing she was going to die.
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Post by 777 on Feb 20, 2020 9:20:41 GMT -5
It is hard to believe that this woman returned, knowing she was going to die. She cared more about the consequences of a broken vow than her own life. She was worried it would bring curses upon all of Israel if the vow wasn't fulfilled.
When he uttered that foolish vow, I can't figure out who he expected to come out to meet him? What would possess him to make a vow like that? If he is in heaven, maybe I will be able to ask him one day, because that is one of the most puzzling stories I have read in the Bible.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 20, 2020 11:35:40 GMT -5
It looks to me like he sacrificed her too. It was a crazy vow to make. Who did he think would greet him when he got home? Thanks, and thanks to everyone that gave an answer. You've all been a big help to me. When you look at Judges 11:39-40, it seems obvious that Jephthah did offer his daughter as a burnt offering.
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
I can't see the daughters of Israel going annually to lament the daughter of Jephthah if she simply was dedicated to the Lord and remained unmarried. That doesn't make any sense. The one thing to remember is that God never asked Jephthah, or anyone else, to ever sacrifice people to him. Jephthah simply made a foolish oath and bound himself. What would have happened if he failed to keep the vow? That is a good question, and one we will never know the answer to. It does make me think of a foolish thing King Saul did. Saul had charged the people with an oath that nobody was to eat any food on a particular day, and anyone who did would be accursed. His son Jonathan was not there when the oath was made, but he was fighting the Philistines. He tasted some honey, and because of that, Saul was going to put him to death. Because of the broken oath, God wouldn't answer Saul through the prophets to tell him whether or not he should go into battle against the Philistines. The people intervened on Jonathan's behalf, and he wasn't put to death. I am not aware of any serious consequences of that broken oath. Still, the most important lesson I get from this is to avoid making oaths. Jesus warned us that swearing can lead to sin, and we shouldn't make oaths. That story about Saul, and his foolish oath will be part of our Bible reading tomorrow. I got one day ahead.
And do notice HOW SERIOUS the daughter was THAT HERFATHER KEEP SUCH AN OATH . It almost seems like he was not going to do this , BUT SHE TOLD HIM DO IT . SHE gave herself up as a sacrifice that her Father would maintain the oath HIS LIPS had spoken unto the LORD . THE POINT IS , and this is why IT is said , DO NOT BE HASTY TO JUST MAKE AN OATH OR A VOW unto the LORD . PLUS JESUS even makes it more clear , HE SAYS NOT TOO . JUST let your yes be yes and your no , no . This brings up another point . SEE HOW SERIOUS IT IS , SEE HOW SERIOUS GOD IS TOO . And yet this generation has created a GOD that panders and smiles at our errors , and pats us on the back . not so . GOD IS FULL OF MERCY AND IF ONE DOES ERR , IF THEY CONFESS AND REPENT THEY SURE ARE FORGIVEN . NOW THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES . DAVID REPENTED BUT THE CONSEQUENCE OF HIS SIN , COST THAT MAN A GREAT DEAL . YET , DAVID STILL ALWAYS JOYED IN THE LORD , NO MATTER WHAT HE SUFERED . CAUSE HIS HOPE WAS IN THE SALVATION OF GOD . But again this makes another point , WHY IS IT so many omit the repent word . FOR HAD david NOT repented or if men do not confess and repent , REST assured what david had to endure on earth , Will be mega fold worse for those who do not repent . just remember that . and I speak not on earth , but I speak about something that occurs at the end , after death . the second death . MEN need to cease these bunk teaching I see today concering sin and repentance . and need to return to the original pattern . CONCERING SIN the original pattern was , LET IT NOT ONCE BE NAMED and the corrective pattern was , CONFESS and FORAKE IF YE DO SIN . ANd pray one for another that ye may be healed . THAT IS THE PATTERN WE NEED BACK . Because I REMIND US all , SIN WILL , not maybe , BUT WILL HARDEN A HEART .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 20, 2020 11:41:24 GMT -5
It is hard to believe that this woman returned, knowing she was going to die. You know why it was so easy for this GOD fearing and LOVING woman to do this . Because her faith was in the LORD . as paul once said , to die is gain , to live is Christ . Far better to depart and be with the LORD . THE MORE we learn HIM , we wont fear death at all , we wont fear it . FOR WE KNOW our end is good and WE KNOW to even depart and be with HIM is FAR better and we KNOW that its HIS WILL we desire . THUS we simply pray the WILL OF THE LORD BE DONE . The new and living way to serve the LORD , bringeth great PEACE unto the HEARERS and DOERS of HIS WORD . YEP . HE REJOICES THE REIGNS and GIVES US PEACE and HAPPY IS the ONE who does hear and DO his word . But woe unto those who love HIM NOT . WOE unto those who love is lip service alone . FOR HE who loves NOT JESUS , HAS NOT JESUS and HE who has not the SON has not the FATHER and the wrath of GOD abides on them STILL . THE KEY To our LOVE is not seen in lip alone , BUT IN OBEIDANCE unto HE WHO HAS CALLED US and IS ABLE TO GIVE US ALL WE NEED to do so . WHO we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . Now be encouraged REJOICE . Put those hands up and REJOICE in the LORD .
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Post by 777 on Feb 20, 2020 14:09:13 GMT -5
It is hard to believe that this woman returned, knowing she was going to die. You know why it was so easy for this GOD fearing and LOVING woman to do this . Because her faith was in the LORD . as paul once said , to die is gain , to live is Christ . Far better to depart and be with the LORD . THE MORE we learn HIM , we wont fear death at all , we wont fear it . FOR WE KNOW our end is good and WE KNOW to even depart and be with HIM is FAR better and we KNOW that its HIS WILL we desire . THUS we simply pray the WILL OF THE LORD BE DONE . The new and living way to serve the LORD , bringeth great PEACE unto the HEARERS and DOERS of HIS WORD . YEP . HE REJOICES THE REIGNS and GIVES US PEACE and HAPPY IS the ONE who does hear and DO his word . But woe unto those who love HIM NOT . WOE unto those who love is lip service alone . FOR HE who loves NOT JESUS , HAS NOT JESUS and HE who has not the SON has not the FATHER and the wrath of GOD abides on them STILL . THE KEY To our LOVE is not seen in lip alone , BUT IN OBEIDANCE unto HE WHO HAS CALLED US and IS ABLE TO GIVE US ALL WE NEED to do so . WHO we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . Now be encouraged REJOICE . Put those hands up and REJOICE in the LORD . From a Father's point of view, being honest, I would have preferred she didn't come back and was safe.
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Post by Rejoice on Feb 20, 2020 14:28:13 GMT -5
You know why it was so easy for this GOD fearing and LOVING woman to do this . Because her faith was in the LORD . as paul once said , to die is gain , to live is Christ . Far better to depart and be with the LORD . THE MORE we learn HIM , we wont fear death at all , we wont fear it . FOR WE KNOW our end is good and WE KNOW to even depart and be with HIM is FAR better and we KNOW that its HIS WILL we desire . THUS we simply pray the WILL OF THE LORD BE DONE . The new and living way to serve the LORD , bringeth great PEACE unto the HEARERS and DOERS of HIS WORD . YEP . HE REJOICES THE REIGNS and GIVES US PEACE and HAPPY IS the ONE who does hear and DO his word . But woe unto those who love HIM NOT . WOE unto those who love is lip service alone . FOR HE who loves NOT JESUS , HAS NOT JESUS and HE who has not the SON has not the FATHER and the wrath of GOD abides on them STILL . THE KEY To our LOVE is not seen in lip alone , BUT IN OBEIDANCE unto HE WHO HAS CALLED US and IS ABLE TO GIVE US ALL WE NEED to do so . WHO we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . Now be encouraged REJOICE . Put those hands up and REJOICE in the LORD . From a Father's point of view, being honest, I would have preferred she didn't come back and was safe. I don't know how he did it.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 20, 2020 17:15:28 GMT -5
From a Father's point of view, being honest, I would have preferred she didn't come back and was safe. I don't know how he did it.Rejoice . are you there still . My advice is let us just learn What GOD loves and what he hates . And do the good and flee the evil . My advice is we don't overfocus on things we don't understand . Rather lets simply read the bible so much , that if it were possible and men did an xray , they would see verses ETCHED IN OUR BRAINS . be encouraged . And do rejoice in the LORD .
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