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Post by John on Mar 2, 2020 5:39:04 GMT -5
It can be so exhausting and discouraging sometimes. The conversation on that thread got completely away from me, no chance for me to catch up, but I was just starting to try and answer something BB addressed to me when I suddenly remembered that he is cessationist......I had totally forgotten that about him. But I think that might be one reason why it is such tough slogging and frustrating over there. Don't know if George is cessationist as well...but if he is that also would explain some things. Without the Holy Spirit we are not even speaking the same language and it's like beating your head against a brick wall. Anyway, God is in control still.....we are in a time of falling away, and when sheep are being separated from goats...that is the sad unfortunate truth. But we never know who is reading the truth that is being spoken forth so we can be encouraged that it is not all in vain as we might think it is. We just sow the truth and leave the results to God, and we just never know what might take root and spring up for some soul. Even though I talk a big game, I was affected by some of the members blatant rejection of Scripture. The way they came at me was so evil. I started feeling in my spirit how unwelcome I was. How can believers just straight up lie about Scripture? It did affect me. Have to spend time with God and just take a day to refresh myself. When the scriptures are at odds with their view of OSAS, they will reject scripture every time. I completely understand what you are feeling, because I used to deal with the same thing. Not only would I feel unwelcome, and make no mistake about it, if you do not agree with OSAS and are an effective speaker against it, you are not welcome there, but I would feel dirty, from being around the evil. You probably would do good to have a day away from the battle. It is great that you want to stand up for the truth, but do not let it drain you too much. Paul spoke at Mars Hill, but when it became obvious he was just spinning his wheels, he moved on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 7:39:46 GMT -5
It's good to take time apart now and again when you need it and refresh and re-calibrate with the Lord.
I was hoping we could all try to push the re-set button and start over again in that debate, to try meeting at least closer to the middle....but if they are cessationist it is like talking to a catholic, they just CANNOT understand no matter what you do....they need the gospel preached to them is what it amounts to, but sadly they already have just enough of the gospel to innoculate them AGAINST it....exactly what catholicism does.
They are in serious danger....and the next step in thinking no-one can lose their salvation is believing that everyone will ultimately be saved....OSAS is a slippery slope to you-know-what....the all-inclusive ecumenical lie....spiritual harlotry of Mystery Babel-on.
My prayer now will be that the Lord EXPOSES what that forum and leadership are really about there, so the true followers of Jesus can be aware and not be yoked with it. These are days of the Lord exposing things, so yes, Lord please shine your light for the sake of your flock, and rescue any true sheep of yours that need rescuing.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 2, 2020 10:24:40 GMT -5
That is why it was written in proverbs , when you perceive there is not wisdom in one depart that company . JESUS did not continually hang around those who resisted truth . he would warn , if they received amen , they became lambs , but if they heeded Him not , He moved on . So did paul , James and others . its true they did warn , that they did do , but when or if folks would not hear , what did paul also remind us , If any man obeys not the epistle , you keep no company with them . We must always follow the original pattern . I found that one out the hard way . IT WORE ME OUT continually reminding the same ones over and over , when they were refusing to hear it and only inventing excuses to go around it . That will wear one out . So just send the scriptures As you all can see , I sent a reminder just last night about having to continue in the goodness of GOD , I explained how paul was reminding the VERY CHURCH they too had to continue . YET even today , one came back with a scenario . I corrected them once , if they heed not this one . I leave them be . Its just too much to continuously warn over and over again the same ones . We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on .
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Post by Cletus on Mar 2, 2020 23:00:19 GMT -5
That is why it was written in proverbs , when you perceive there is not wisdom in one depart that company . JESUS did not continually hang around those who resisted truth . he would warn , if they received amen , they became lambs , but if they heeded Him not , He moved on . So did paul , James and others . its true they did warn , that they did do , but when or if folks would not hear , what did paul also remind us , If any man obeys not the epistle , you keep no company with them . We must always follow the original pattern . I found that one out the hard way . IT WORE ME OUT continually reminding the same ones over and over , when they were refusing to hear it and only inventing excuses to go around it . That will wear one out . So just send the scriptures As you all can see , I sent a reminder just last night about having to continue in the goodness of GOD , I explained how paul was reminding the VERY CHURCH they too had to continue . YET even today , one came back with a scenario . I corrected them once , if they heed not this one . I leave them be . Its just too much to continuously warn over and over again the same ones . We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on . this. We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on .
no where in scripture does it tell us to strive with heretics, but we are told to build up each other and ourselves. those sheep that go there, they are not ours and we cant save them. that is Gods job, and He is quite good at His ministry. i rose above that osas lie because i kept on keepin on... and so did Faithful and True. even in the midst of me drowning in my sin. He kept drawing me. sooner or later they will see whats false. The Good Shepherd will leave the 99 to find the one. and aint nothing different but the date:
Eze 34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Eze 34:9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. The Lord God Will Seek Them Out Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. Eze 34:17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Eze 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? Eze 34:19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. Eze 34:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. Eze 34:21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; Eze 34:22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
oh my such similarities. yes yes?
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Post by frienduff on Mar 3, 2020 10:09:08 GMT -5
That is why it was written in proverbs , when you perceive there is not wisdom in one depart that company . JESUS did not continually hang around those who resisted truth . he would warn , if they received amen , they became lambs , but if they heeded Him not , He moved on . So did paul , James and others . its true they did warn , that they did do , but when or if folks would not hear , what did paul also remind us , If any man obeys not the epistle , you keep no company with them . We must always follow the original pattern . I found that one out the hard way . IT WORE ME OUT continually reminding the same ones over and over , when they were refusing to hear it and only inventing excuses to go around it . That will wear one out . So just send the scriptures As you all can see , I sent a reminder just last night about having to continue in the goodness of GOD , I explained how paul was reminding the VERY CHURCH they too had to continue . YET even today , one came back with a scenario . I corrected them once , if they heed not this one . I leave them be . Its just too much to continuously warn over and over again the same ones . We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on . this. We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on .
no where in scripture does it tell us to strive with heretics, but we are told to build up each other and ourselves. those sheep that go there, they are not ours and we cant save them. that is Gods job, and He is quite good at His ministry. i rose above that osas lie because i kept on keepin on... and so did Faithful and True. even in the midst of me drowning in my sin. He kept drawing me. sooner or later they will see whats false. The Good Shepherd will leave the 99 to find the one. and aint nothing different but the date:
Eze 34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Eze 34:9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. The Lord God Will Seek Them Out Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. Eze 34:17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Eze 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? Eze 34:19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. Eze 34:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. Eze 34:21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; Eze 34:22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
oh my such similarities. yes yes?
Yes , yes it is . I had a modern verision of that reminder in another thread . touch not , eat not , drink not the golden water and the chocoloate mana that proceeds from the men who seat themselves in the heavenlies and do feed the flocks . Just a reminder . for many have set men up on pedastools so high . and from on high these men do feed the flocks the golden water , rains from heaven as they claim it and the brown manna , food from the heavens as they claim it . but it is not in the people to know . for they have made theses leaders as a god and gods .. And yet they are but men gone wrong . And the people never wonder , nor does the thought come unto them . If these men are so high up there , when do they come down to use the bathroom . Thus drink not , taste not , eat not and partake not of the unholy golden waters of men nor their brown mana . Yep . Feast only from the pure waters of our LORD and eat of His flesh and drink of His blood feast upon the whole words and reminders of our LORD and of the apotels , of all sound and holy doctrine . and avoid for golden water , for it is not heavenly and it is NOT lemonade . Eat not of the brown mana , for it is not heavenly chocolate either . its the dung and wastes of men gone wrong .
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Post by Cletus on Mar 3, 2020 13:13:55 GMT -5
this. We need to focus on building one another up , we need to correct , but if folks are not heeding sound doctrine and or correction . Gotta move on .
no where in scripture does it tell us to strive with heretics, but we are told to build up each other and ourselves. those sheep that go there, they are not ours and we cant save them. that is Gods job, and He is quite good at His ministry. i rose above that osas lie because i kept on keepin on... and so did Faithful and True. even in the midst of me drowning in my sin. He kept drawing me. sooner or later they will see whats false. The Good Shepherd will leave the 99 to find the one. and aint nothing different but the date:
Eze 34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; Eze 34:9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. The Lord God Will Seek Them Out Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. Eze 34:17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. Eze 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? Eze 34:19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. Eze 34:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. Eze 34:21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; Eze 34:22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
oh my such similarities. yes yes?
Yes , yes it is . I had a modern verision of that reminder in another thread . touch not , eat not , drink not the golden water and the chocoloate mana that proceeds from the men who seat themselves in the heavenlies and do feed the flocks . Just a reminder . for many have set men up on pedastools so high . and from on high these men do feed the flocks the golden water , rains from heaven as they claim it and the brown manna , food from the heavens as they claim it . but it is not in the people to know . for they have made theses leaders as a god and gods .. And yet they are but men gone wrong . And the people never wonder , nor does the thought come unto them . If these men are so high up there , when do they come down to use the bathroom . Thus drink not , taste not , eat not and partake not of the unholy golden waters of men nor their brown mana . Yep . Feast only from the pure waters of our LORD and eat of His flesh and drink of His blood feast upon the whole words and reminders of our LORD and of the apotels , of all sound and holy doctrine . and avoid for golden water , for it is not heavenly and it is NOT lemonade . Eat not of the brown mana , for it is not heavenly chocolate either . its the dung and wastes of men gone wrong . you know, this gives a different perspective of phil 3:8. lol.
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