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Post by joseph on Jul 31, 2021 13:49:56 GMT -5
Regardless of if someone is in the family of faith, with the followers of Jesus, in the assembly of Ekklesia or not,
what is Jesus' Instructions concerning the sick ? What are His Followers To Do ? Heal the sick, or oppress them, or let them stay oppressed ?
i.e. without any prejudice, without being a respecter of person, but DOing what the FATHER SAYS. What is that concerning the sick ? Leave the lambs, leave the sick, in the clutches of the enemy !? NO! I don't believe that at all. Jesus Himself looked around angry at the hardness of heart of those who did not want the sick healed. If Jesus is angry at that kind of hardness of heart, should we be trying to be different than Jesus so people will be more likely to accept us - after all , if we are nicer than Jesus was, people will like us more !? NO!
Those that have gifts of healing should use them. ( Keeping in mind that not all do, however.) But the church in general should be healing the sick. These signs follow the preaching of the gospel...so healing goes hand in hand with the gospel, and also is the children's bread. There are those reading who continue to be sick, who continue to be subjects of bad medical care.
I did not even stop to consider, it did not enter my thoughts the way you put it, that if they were in an assembly where the true Gospel was being Preached, yes, then they would be healed !!! This is worse than I imagined - how many are subject to an assembly where the truth is not being preached ?!
"Keeping in mind" that most meetings, forum, assemblies, groups, and so forth are subject to other rules, and do not even permit NOR SEEK healing. They actually kick out or ask to leave anyone who brings up their lack of healing and how healing follows the truth, the Gospel, as you posted, in line with all Scripture , in line with God's Plan, and God's Purpose in Christ Jesus, our Healer and our Savior Today.
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Post by watchful on Jul 31, 2021 13:55:48 GMT -5
Those that have gifts of healing should use them. ( Keeping in mind that not all do, however.) But the church in general should be healing the sick. These signs follow the preaching of the gospel...so healing goes hand in hand with the gospel, and also is the children's bread. There are those reading who continue to be sick, who continue to be subjects of bad medical care.
I did not even stop to consider, it did not enter my thoughts the way you put it, that if they were in an assembly where the true Gospel was being Preached, yes, then they would be healed !!! This is worse than I imagined - how many are subject to an assembly where the truth is not being preached ?!
"Keeping in mind" that most meetings, forum, assemblies, groups, and so forth are subject to other rules, and do not even permit NOR SEEK healing. They actually kick out or ask to leave anyone who brings up their lack of healing and how healing follows the truth, the Gospel, as you posted, in line with all Scripture , in line with God's Plan, and God's Purpose in Christ Jesus, our Healer and our Savior Today.
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.
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Post by joseph on Jul 31, 2021 14:14:43 GMT -5
There are those reading who continue to be sick, who continue to be subjects of bad medical care.
I did not even stop to consider, it did not enter my thoughts the way you put it, that if they were in an assembly where the true Gospel was being Preached, yes, then they would be healed !!! This is worse than I imagined - how many are subject to an assembly where the truth is not being preached ?!
"Keeping in mind" that most meetings, forum, assemblies, groups, and so forth are subject to other rules, and do not even permit NOR SEEK healing. They actually kick out or ask to leave anyone who brings up their lack of healing and how healing follows the truth, the Gospel, as you posted, in line with all Scripture , in line with God's Plan, and God's Purpose in Christ Jesus, our Healer and our Savior Today.
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Where, then , can anyone go to receive healing ? I have never seen healing nor salvation accomplished via the internet. Only once in a while a location discovered where someone can go to be healed, and if true, if they go, they are healed.
The names and places of healing that are still active, ought NOT to be printed here though - anyone healing today is the target of public and private, religious and political and medical and social attack, no matter where they are, if it becomes publicly known.
The enemy within the USA has gone to extreme lengths to stop everyone from finding out, to stop anyone from learning where or how to heal, in faith and in natural daily life. The enemy from the usa has gone to other countries, even to countries without extradition, to arrest and bring back natural healers to the usa for prosecution even if no laws were broken - only that people were healed frequently.
It took us , my family, about 7 years to find the healing available in the usa, although for a couple months, one well known in the assembly in north st. louis , saved my later-to-be wife's life from what six expert professional licensed ama doctors and specialists called "90 days to live terminal cancer" (she said). For weeks I carried her before we were told of this honest doctor, one who from 1962 when he was healed of cancer easily in two weeks in mexico, until around 1995 when he passed peacefully in his sleep a ripe old age after a life that helped many, he healed everyone who came to him. With no advertising. No coupons. No government approval or assistance. An enemy of pharmacy. An enemy of ama. God protected him perfectly for decades, right there in Ferguson, North County St.Louis, Missouri.
It took a long time to find another honest doctor(s). In the meantime, we were subject to common malpractice by AMA pharmacy controlled clinics or doctors, who provided symptomatic relief only, often making patients worse quickly instead of healing.
So keep correspondence of the healers , faith or natural or both, confidential/private , not public. As God Permits.
It is still a problem HOW to help someone find , when it ought to be, wouldn't you think, well known in the assembly ? !
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Aug 1, 2021 18:17:45 GMT -5
Today was my 6th marriage anniversary.
We double dated with my brother and his lovely new girlfriend. We tried to share some Godly relationship wisdom that might be helpful and we had a great time.
This morning, I went fishing and did well. I caught six fish and three were keepers.
Just to stand in the ocean with my fishing pole and the rising sun was an amazing experience that I missed, having grown up at the beach.
Elijah got along with my parents even better than I was expecting. We stayed with them during the weekend.
This past six years, with all its trials, I don't regret because they made us mature and grow. Im happy to say that this past year has been one of the best in my life and a blessed peace permeates our home and interactions.
Elijah and I are becoming more bold and outspoken together as we seek to be a city on a hill and not be ashamed of our conservative values.
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Post by John on Aug 1, 2021 21:49:35 GMT -5
The true lambs already have all we need my friend . We have Christ , the Spirit and our bible . Let us grow in the grace of our Lord . So much deception abounds and it will only grow worse the longer we are in this world . Hope in Christ and learn Him well . Regardless of if someone is in the family of faith, with the followers of Jesus, in the assembly of Ekklesia or not,
what is Jesus' Instructions concerning the sick ? What are His Followers To Do ? Heal the sick, or oppress them, or let them stay oppressed ?
i.e. without any prejudice, without being a respecter of person, but DOing what the FATHER SAYS. What is that concerning the sick ? Leave the lambs, leave the sick, in the clutches of the enemy !? NO! I don't believe that at all. Jesus Himself looked around angry at the hardness of heart of those who did not want the sick healed. If Jesus is angry at that kind of hardness of heart, should we be trying to be different than Jesus so people will be more likely to accept us - after all , if we are nicer than Jesus was, people will like us more !? NO!
The Bible is very clear about how to deal with those who are sick. If any in the church is sick, they are to call upon the elders, and the elders are to pray for them. The Bible promises that the prayer of faith will save the sick, and if they have sinned, those sins will be forgiven. Sadly, few churches operate this way, and many do not have Elders.
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Post by John on Aug 1, 2021 21:53:50 GMT -5
There are those reading who continue to be sick, who continue to be subjects of bad medical care. I did not even stop to consider, it did not enter my thoughts the way you put it, that if they were in an assembly where the true Gospel was being Preached, yes, then they would be healed !!! This is worse than I imagined - how many are subject to an assembly where the truth is not being preached ?!
"Keeping in mind" that most meetings, forum, assemblies, groups, and so forth are subject to other rules, and do not even permit NOR SEEK healing. They actually kick out or ask to leave anyone who brings up their lack of healing and how healing follows the truth, the Gospel, as you posted, in line with all Scripture , in line with God's Plan, and God's Purpose in Christ Jesus, our Healer and our Savior Today.
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. That is the scripture I was thinking of when I replied to Joseph. If you will notice, the sick person is the one who is to seek out the elders as an act of faith. It does not mention healing services or prayer lines. That does not mean God will not heal or deliver when we do not follow things to the letter, but there is a Biblical order, and I think that God will respond to the faith of someone willing to call upon the elders.
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Post by John on Aug 1, 2021 21:56:02 GMT -5
Today was my 6th marriage anniversary. We double dated with my brother and his lovely new girlfriend. We tried to share some Godly relationship wisdom that might be helpful and we had a great time. This morning, I went fishing and did well. I caught six fish and three were keepers. Just to stand in the ocean with my fishing pole and the rising sun was an amazing experience that I missed, having grown up at the beach. Elijah got along with my parents even better than I was expecting. We stayed with them during the weekend. This past six years, with all its trials, I don't regret because they made us mature and grow. Im happy to say that this past year has been one of the best in my life and a blessed peace permeates our home and interactions. Elijah and I are becoming more bold and outspoken together as we seek to be a city on a hill and not be ashamed of our conservative values. Congratulations on your anniversary, and I am glad you had a good day.
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Post by joseph on Aug 2, 2021 0:17:50 GMT -5
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. That is the scripture I was thinking of when I replied to Joseph. If you will notice, the sick person is the one who is to seek out the elders as an act of faith. It does not mention healing services or prayer lines. That does not mean God will not heal or deliver when we do not follow things to the letter, but there is a Biblical order, and I think that God will respond to the faith of someone willing to call upon the elders.
If people don't get well, who gets blamed ? If as in Corinth "many are sick and dying" for their disobedience/ not recognizing the body properly , as written in Corinthians, who makes the needed corrections so people don't get sick more and die needlessly ?
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Post by watchful on Aug 2, 2021 6:53:46 GMT -5
That is the scripture I was thinking of when I replied to Joseph. If you will notice, the sick person is the one who is to seek out the elders as an act of faith. It does not mention healing services or prayer lines. That does not mean God will not heal or deliver when we do not follow things to the letter, but there is a Biblical order, and I think that God will respond to the faith of someone willing to call upon the elders.
If people don't get well, who gets blamed ? If as in Corinth "many are sick and dying" for their disobedience/ not recognizing the body properly , as written in Corinthians, who makes the needed corrections so people don't get sick more and die needlessly ? No doubt in my mind that a big part of the problem is that the church doesn't see Satan as being defeated, disarmed and bound, and Jesus Christ as reigning. We have been sitting around waiting for some la-la escapist future to escape tribulations instead of battling the devil in the name of Christ from a place of present victory....we've been taught a waiting around mentality of a future reign instead of recognizing by faith that His rule and reign on earth is now and that all power and authority was already given to Him and is His now. That is why Jesus said we need to work while it is still day, night is coming as far as this world is concerned, when no man can work.
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Post by watchful on Aug 2, 2021 7:03:48 GMT -5
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. That is the scripture I was thinking of when I replied to Joseph. If you will notice, the sick person is the one who is to seek out the elders as an act of faith. It does not mention healing services or prayer lines. That does not mean God will not heal or deliver when we do not follow things to the letter, but there is a Biblical order, and I think that God will respond to the faith of someone willing to call upon the elders.
I get an idea with that verse that the person is sick at home and needs the help to come to them, so they would send someone with a message to the elders asking them to come. Though of course there is nothing to stop shepherds/elders also from going out to seek sheep that are sick and heal them, or those they just run into. And we notice too that there is more than one elder or shepherd in a congregation, so a small team of those with that gifting would go anoint and pray for the sick. Doesn't seem that it was on the shoulders of just one pastor.
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Post by watchful on Aug 2, 2021 7:41:18 GMT -5
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Where, then , can anyone go to receive healing ? I have never seen healing nor salvation accomplished via the internet. Only once in a while a location discovered where someone can go to be healed, and if true, if they go, they are healed.
The names and places of healing that are still active, ought NOT to be printed here though - anyone healing today is the target of public and private, religious and political and medical and social attack, no matter where they are, if it becomes publicly known.
The enemy within the USA has gone to extreme lengths to stop everyone from finding out, to stop anyone from learning where or how to heal, in faith and in natural daily life. The enemy from the usa has gone to other countries, even to countries without extradition, to arrest and bring back natural healers to the usa for prosecution even if no laws were broken - only that people were healed frequently.
It took us , my family, about 7 years to find the healing available in the usa, although for a couple months, one well known in the assembly in north st. louis , saved my later-to-be wife's life from what six expert professional licensed ama doctors and specialists called "90 days to live terminal cancer" (she said). For weeks I carried her before we were told of this honest doctor, one who from 1962 when he was healed of cancer easily in two weeks in mexico, until around 1995 when he passed peacefully in his sleep a ripe old age after a life that helped many, he healed everyone who came to him. With no advertising. No coupons. No government approval or assistance. An enemy of pharmacy. An enemy of ama. God protected him perfectly for decades, right there in Ferguson, North County St.Louis, Missouri.
It took a long time to find another honest doctor(s). In the meantime, we were subject to common malpractice by AMA pharmacy controlled clinics or doctors, who provided symptomatic relief only, often making patients worse quickly instead of healing.
So keep correspondence of the healers , faith or natural or both, confidential/private , not public. As God Permits.
It is still a problem HOW to help someone find , when it ought to be, wouldn't you think, well known in the assembly ? !
Praise the Lord for your wife's healing. And for your persistence. I wish I knew the answer to that question. There was a time when medicine and pharmacy was a kind of ministry to the sick, and people went into those fields for philanthropic reasons for the most part, but it has all been increasingly taken over by greed. Jesus was so right that love of money is the root of ALL EVIL (hence the sabbath rest of ceasing work/business on that day).....I have seen a huge change in my lifetime of greed increasing and taking over in every sphere, unless i'm just less naive than I used to be.
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Post by John on Aug 2, 2021 10:16:16 GMT -5
That is the scripture I was thinking of when I replied to Joseph. If you will notice, the sick person is the one who is to seek out the elders as an act of faith. It does not mention healing services or prayer lines. That does not mean God will not heal or deliver when we do not follow things to the letter, but there is a Biblical order, and I think that God will respond to the faith of someone willing to call upon the elders.
I get an idea with that verse that the person is sick at home and needs the help to come to them, so they would send someone with a message to the elders asking them to come. Though of course there is nothing to stop shepherds/elders also from going out to seek sheep that are sick and heal them, or those they just run into. And we notice too that there is more than one elder or shepherd in a congregation, so a small team of those with that gifting would go anoint and pray for the sick. Doesn't seem that it was on the shoulders of just one pastor. A church can and should have more than one Elder, assuming they are large enough to find more than a single qualified Elder. You could have a sick person at home. That never occurred to me, so thank you for pointing that out. I was thinking more about going to a church sick and asking the Elders to pray for you. I guess it depends on how sick this person is. If someone wants help bad enough, look at the lengths they went through to get to Jesus in the Bible. They literally took apart the roof of a house and lowered the sick person down. How bad do you want your healing? That is the question, and how much faith do you have Jesus will actually do it?
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Post by frienduff on Aug 2, 2021 11:57:32 GMT -5
There are those reading who continue to be sick, who continue to be subjects of bad medical care.
I did not even stop to consider, it did not enter my thoughts the way you put it, that if they were in an assembly where the true Gospel was being Preached, yes, then they would be healed !!! This is worse than I imagined - how many are subject to an assembly where the truth is not being preached ?!
"Keeping in mind" that most meetings, forum, assemblies, groups, and so forth are subject to other rules, and do not even permit NOR SEEK healing. They actually kick out or ask to leave anyone who brings up their lack of healing and how healing follows the truth, the Gospel, as you posted, in line with all Scripture , in line with God's Plan, and God's Purpose in Christ Jesus, our Healer and our Savior Today.
Amen. Jas 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. And let the LORD be praised .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 2, 2021 12:02:03 GMT -5
If people don't get well, who gets blamed ? If as in Corinth "many are sick and dying" for their disobedience/ not recognizing the body properly , as written in Corinthians, who makes the needed corrections so people don't get sick more and die needlessly ? No doubt in my mind that a big part of the problem is that the church doesn't see Satan as being defeated, disarmed and bound, and Jesus Christ as reigning. We have been sitting around waiting for some la-la escapist future to escape tribulations instead of battling the devil in the name of Christ from a place of present victory....we've been taught a waiting around mentality of a future reign instead of recognizing by faith that His rule and reign on earth is now and that all power and authority was already given to Him and is His now. That is why Jesus said we need to work while it is still day, night is coming as far as this world is concerned, when no man can work. Who said this , be diligent , for your adversary , the devil , ROAMS about devouring ......... Was that man doubting in the power of Christ . I trow not . Satan is not bound at all right now . The apostels knew it . Fact He is and his leaders even within christedom are fleecing the flocks and filling the places full of doctrine so nasty it resembles puke , dung and a combo of rotted cheese . WHO is doing all the deception . satan as his peoples are . Satan is not yet bound for no thousand years . And while HE is bound , the beast and the FP are roasting alive in a lake of fire . SO WHO ON earth is doing all this deceiving . SATAN IS . And the LORD shall bruise satan under your feet SHORTLY . THAT GONNA HAPPEN ON JESUS DAY .
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Post by watchful on Aug 2, 2021 13:14:04 GMT -5
No doubt in my mind that a big part of the problem is that the church doesn't see Satan as being defeated, disarmed and bound, and Jesus Christ as reigning. We have been sitting around waiting for some la-la escapist future to escape tribulations instead of battling the devil in the name of Christ from a place of present victory....we've been taught a waiting around mentality of a future reign instead of recognizing by faith that His rule and reign on earth is now and that all power and authority was already given to Him and is His now. That is why Jesus said we need to work while it is still day, night is coming as far as this world is concerned, when no man can work. Who said this , be diligent , for your adversary , the devil , ROAMS about devouring ......... Was that man doubting in the power of Christ . I trow not . Satan is not bound at all right now . The apostels knew it . Fact He is and his leaders even within christedom are fleecing the flocks and filling the places full of doctrine so nasty it resembles puke , dung and a combo of rotted cheese . WHO is doing all the deception . satan as his peoples are . Satan is not yet bound for no thousand years . And while HE is bound , the beast and the FP are roasting alive in a lake of fire . SO WHO ON earth is doing all this deceiving . SATAN IS . And the LORD shall bruise satan under your feet SHORTLY . THAT GONNA HAPPEN ON JESUS DAY . He is bound all right....disarmed at the cross and fell like lightning to the earth. Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Luk 10:17-20 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Mat 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “ All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. “ Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Mat 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he (Jesus) made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Rom 8:36-39 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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