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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 12:01:13 GMT -5
I am looking into this " spiritual covering doctrine", and its roots. And here is a bit of information on it: (http://www.burningpointministries.com/spiritual-covering-and-authority)(...The Shepherding Movement
A powerful movement that redefined much of the charismatic movement came into being around 1970. It is known as the Shepherding Movement. This movement began when four anointed teachers came together in a 'covenant relationship.' These men were Don Basham, Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, and Charles Simpson. Later, in 1975, they were joined by Ern Baxter. Teachings such as spiritual coverings, submission, and covenant relationships became widespread because of this movement. Much of what was taught, was spread like seed into the minds and hearts of young believers growing up spiritually during that time period. It was then passed on to the next generation of believers without them even knowing it came from the Shepherding Movement. Many leaders in ministry today have taken doctrine into their hearts that came straight from the shepherding movement and they don't even realize it. The article's intent is not to discredit or dishonor the five teachers mentioned above. They each had powerful teaching ministries and were mightily used by God. I am sure that much good fruit came from their ministries. The intent of this article is to examine some of the errors and overemphasis in their teaching so at we will learn from their mistakes, and not follow down the same path. The Bible openly talks about the errors of those who went before us, for our own instruction. Spiritual Coverings
'Spiritual coverings' have become a huge doctrine in the body of Christ. Many times leaders do not even teach on this doctrine, it is simply mentioned as a matter-of-fact. Therefore many in the church grow up spiritually, accepting this doctrine as Biblical truth. But where is this doctrine taught in the Bible? Where do the apostles talk about this doctrine in the letters to the churches? When does Jesus teach it in the gospels? I don't know, because I have not found it....) This is just an exert of this article, that seems to show the root of this spiritual covering doctrine, and I do not know much about the shepherding movement, or these preachers, and I do not know if I would agree with every point that they say in this full article, but they do mention interesting points.Here are some of them: (http://www.burningpointministries.com/spiritual-covering-and-authority)(...Charles Simpson wrote an article in 1972 in "New Wine" magazine titled 'Covering of the Lord.' It focused on the covering or protection provided by submitting oneself to God's delegated authority in the church (among other things). Don Basham stated in 'True and False Prophets' that "submission to spiritual authority provides the greatest spiritual protection anywhere available for Christian ministers and teachers." The movement taught that submission to a shepherd provided spiritual covering by being in right relationship to God's delegated authority in the church. This may sound really good, but where is this taught in the Bible? Surely apostolic doctrine would address such an important issue as this, so that there would not be any confusion in the church?...The first century apostolic church did not teach submission to man like the 21 century church in America teaches it. They taught submission to Christ. The first century church did not teach that leaders can provide a spiritual covering, because they understood that the Lord is the one who covers man. “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” (Psalms 91:1 NKJV).The word 'secret place' in the Hebrew means to cover, covering, hiding place, or protection. The Hebrew word for 'shadow' also means defense. So he who dwells under the covering of the Most High shall abide under the defense of the Almighty. The scripture does not tell us to dwell under the covering of man, but rather God.......Covering and Deception
The current church has made an argument that states, "Being under a man's spiritual covering will protect you from deception." Actually the opposite is true as we will see. In the context of deception being released through antichrist spirits, John states: “These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.” (I John 2:26-27 NKJV)
John states, by the Holy Spirit, that believers do not need another man to protect them from men who are trying to deceive. The believer does not need the protection or teaching of men to stay free from deception, because the anointing from God abides in the believer. The anointing teaches the believer all things concerning the truth and keeps the believer from the lies of men. However, when a believer is submitted to a man as their spiritual covering, deception can spread much easier. This is very evident in denominations. If the leaders of a denomination do not believe that Jesus currently heals people, then you will find that most believers sitting under their spiritual covering follow their belief system of deception. The same is true about the doctrine of God's judgment. I have witnessed whole movements in the charismatic church reject New Testament scriptures of God's judgment. Then as other leaders and believers come under the movement's covering, they follow suit into the same deceptive doctrine....) Now I personally believe that the bible has given us leaders, so to feed the flock, and they are to look out for the flock, but nowhere does it say they were given us for a spiritual covering, protection.
The Lord is our protection, so if we use man as our protection, and that leader eventually teaches false doctrine, then how good will their protection be? Not really good right?
And it is in a form of protection, that this doctrine seems to have come to being.
Haven't fully understood the concept of covering yet. Amen, the Lord is our protection and covering and shepherd and keeper of our souls. I am sure of this though, that people often make far too much of simple bible truths....flesh gets hold of things and runs away with it, they write books and hold conferences and start denominations when they try to make it into something bigger than it is.....and it all gets set in the cement of the carnal mind. When those things happen we can be sure the devil is not using it for anyone's good. And remember this as well . If any man comes teaching Touch not Gods annointed , and is using that as an excuse to have Lordship over the flock and not to question him . YEAH HIMS A FALSE ONE . RUN like those legs have never moved before far , far away from such men .
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Post by Giller on Feb 18, 2021 12:32:01 GMT -5
Haven't fully understood the concept of covering yet. Amen, the Lord is our protection and covering and shepherd and keeper of our souls. I am sure of this though, that people often make far too much of simple bible truths....flesh gets hold of things and runs away with it, they write books and hold conferences and start denominations when they try to make it into something bigger than it is.....and it all gets set in the cement of the carnal mind. When those things happen we can be sure the devil is not using it for anyone's good. And remember this as well . If any man comes teaching Touch not Gods annointed , and is using that as an excuse to have Lordship over the flock and not to question him . YEAH HIMS A FALSE ONE . RUN like those legs have never moved before far , far away from such men . Concerning what the bible says about why he gave us pastors, teachers etc., it says this: Eph 4:11-12 (11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: They are given for the perfecting of the saints, and not for the covering of the saints.
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Post by ohhello on Feb 18, 2021 14:02:42 GMT -5
Rejoice in the Lord. And in the Lord we rejoice.
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Post by Giller on Feb 18, 2021 14:09:23 GMT -5
I really like to study things out, and know the truth about a thing.
1Co 11:3 (3) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
The word head, in the Thayer's dictionary means this:
(Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G2776 κεφαλή kephalē
Thayer Definition:
1) the head, both of men and often of animals. Since the loss of the head destroys life, this word is used in the phrases relating to capital and extreme punishment. 2) metaphorically anything supreme, chief, prominent 2a) of persons, master lord: of a husband in relation to his wife 2b) of Christ: the Lord of the husband and of the Church 2c) of things: the corner stone
Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the primary kapto (in the sense of seizing))
So this word, is referring to some type of headship, or authority.
And Corinthians shows a type of authority that is given to the man, via his wife (in a biblical way), and it shows that Christ is the head of every man.
Christ's authority is the greater authority of course.
Now here is another scripture:
1Co 11:15 (15) But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
The word covering, here means this:
(Strong's concordance)
(G4018 περιβόλαιον peribolaion per-ib-ol'-ah-yon
Neuter of a presumed derivative of G4016; something thrown around one, that is, a mantle, veil: - covering, vesture. Total KJV occurrences: 2)
You can see that the words covering, and head, do not mean the same thing.
And concerning the "spiritually being covered by another man, doctrine", it is said from a different context, to were a man can be spiritually covered by another man, and be protected.
At least that is what it seems to be in its roots.
Psa 91:1 (1) He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
We know were our true protection and covering comes from, it comes from the Lord, in him there is security.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 14:12:24 GMT -5
Rejoice in the Lord. And in the Lord we rejoice. Thats right dear sister . REJOICE in the glorious LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 14:17:36 GMT -5
Yep as lambs do grow in the LORD , they unify with those whose love is the LORD . And they flee any kind of inclusive unity which , well we all know , sprang from la madre neogro de muerte y mintidas . The black mother of death and lies . Commonly called ROME .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 14:18:13 GMT -5
Now hands up my friends , tis time to praise the LORD .
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 18, 2021 16:33:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Paul sure told the Corinthians he would come with a rod if they didn't straighten up. He ordered them to kick out a man living in sin. He told his churches to not even eat dinner with immoral people kicked out of church. He was down to the level of making marriage policies for the women in his churches. By today's standards, he would be called a domineering judgmental control freak, even in most holiness groups. And yet Paul managed to do those things from a spiritual level. He certainly never exploited people, fleeced them for cash, ran a church like a corporation, or treated people like cogs. I've watched too many people self-destruct because no one around them wanted to be "mean" about their sins.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 17:51:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Paul sure told the Corinthians he would come with a rod if they didn't straighten up. He ordered them to kick out a man living in sin. He told his churches to not even eat dinner with immoral people kicked out of church. He was down to the level of making marriage policies for the women in his churches. By today's standards, he would be called a domineering judgmental control freak, even in most holiness groups. And yet Paul managed to do those things from a spiritual level. He certainly never exploited people, fleeced them for cash, ran a church like a corporation, or treated people like cogs. I've watched too many people self-destruct because no one around them wanted to be "mean" about their sins. True sister . And lambs need to look out for lambs as well . Yep .
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Post by watchful on Feb 18, 2021 19:28:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Paul sure told the Corinthians he would come with a rod if they didn't straighten up. He ordered them to kick out a man living in sin. He told his churches to not even eat dinner with immoral people kicked out of church. He was down to the level of making marriage policies for the women in his churches. By today's standards, he would be called a domineering judgmental control freak, even in most holiness groups. And yet Paul managed to do those things from a spiritual level. He certainly never exploited people, fleeced them for cash, ran a church like a corporation, or treated people like cogs. I've watched too many people self-destruct because no one around them wanted to be "mean" about their sins. Sister, I wouldn't call Paul any of those things because I'm sure he didn't do anything from a spirit of meanness, just as I'm sure he wasn't threatening violence against anyone. Yes there are those we are not to fellowship with under certain circumstances (I mentioned that in my previous post here recently). But Jesus IS trying to tell us something here and we need the mind of Christ to understand how authority in the world and spiritual authority differ: Mat 20:24-28 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Also Mark 10 and Luke 22) 2Ti 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 18, 2021 21:33:53 GMT -5
LET the LORD BE PRAISED my friends . Yes indeed . OH let the LORD be praised .
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Post by ohhello on Feb 19, 2021 5:32:47 GMT -5
We will rejoice and praise the biblical Lord Jesus.
Mornings are lonely, as my friends are peacefully dozing. Rest well friends. Oh the Lord be praised.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 19, 2021 9:25:41 GMT -5
Sister, I wouldn't call Paul any of those things because I'm sure he didn't do anything from a spirit of meanness, just as I'm sure he wasn't threatening violence against anyone. Yes there are those we are not to fellowship with under certain circumstances (I mentioned that in my previous post here recently). But Jesus IS trying to tell us something here and we need the mind of Christ to understand how authority in the world and spiritual authority differ: Mat 20:24-28 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Also Mark 10 and Luke 22) 2Ti 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. I was reacting to your statement that Christians can't hold each other accountable. I reject the idea that it's somehow not spiritual to obey people in authority. Or that friends/peers can't submit to bearing with each other for the sake of mutual edification. There's nothing spiritual about saying we have no one to answer to.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 19, 2021 10:15:39 GMT -5
We will rejoice and praise the biblical Lord Jesus. Mornings are lonely, as my friends are peacefully dozing. Rest well friends. Oh the Lord be praised. I know dear sister . You are loved and prayed for . We shall march on in the glorious Lord . Some of us are stretched out wide and far on this earth . OH but the Lord is with the lambs . And bible reads and prayers are a wonderful encouragement . Yes indeed . As we go on day by day in this world waiting for the Coming of our Blessed HOPE , KING JESUS .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 19, 2021 10:19:15 GMT -5
I want us all to ponder on something . A lady named corrie ten boom and her sister betsy were in prison for helping hide jews . While in prison betsy got very sick . Before she died she told corrie that by that years end they were both going to be set free from that prison . Betsy soon died in prison . Corrie was later released and right before that years end . Now some might argue and say that only corrie was set free from the prison , but i tell us all , THEY both were . AND betsy was set free with such a freedom that not even corrie would recieve till many years later . You see , BETSY was set free from that prison , even from her own body the moment SHE WENT to be with the LORD . YEAH . FEAST on that . To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD .
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