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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 9, 2020 9:50:27 GMT -5
A lot of the time, what is causing trouble for new Christians are oppressing spirits they never got rid of. They will crawl on their shoulder and continually entice them to do sinful things. They have to learn to cast them off of them. This has literally happened to me. I think I am learning to cast them off.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:51:23 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything otherwise brother. I'm only talking about GROWING from being in the flesh and self-effort to being in the Spirit with all these things. Something to take very seriously indeed. It takes self effort to follow God and resist the devil. 777 I think she is meaning it more in this way: Zec 4:6 (6) Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. Because God wants us to allow him to empower us, and not us to empower ourselves, we need to be hooked up to the right generator.
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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:54:39 GMT -5
A lot of the time, what is causing trouble for new Christians are oppressing spirits they never got rid of. They will crawl on their shoulder and continually entice them to do sinful things. They have to learn to cast them off of them. This has literally happened to me. I think I am learning to cast them off. Often times, those bad thoughts and sinful desires are not of ourselves, but they are from demonic spirits. That's good your recognizing them.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 10:17:58 GMT -5
When we enter into a battle with evil spirits let us make sure that we enter this battle with the right mindset.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 10:20:54 GMT -5
Now the effort we exert ourselves in, is in putting our faith in God, and yielding our wills to him, but we do not put effort into empowering ourselves to victory, it is the Spirit that empowers us, and it is him, not us, that confirms his word.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 10:24:20 GMT -5
We need to always come humbly before him, and yes come boldly before his throne, but boldly because of what he did, and because of his blood, and not because of us.
We need to always remember this, lest we come before God with the wrong attitude.
Do not look to the world for victory or to the world for answers for sin, the answer is found in Christ.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 10:25:28 GMT -5
Our attitudes, and obedience or lack thereof, can effect our prayers.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 9, 2020 10:48:11 GMT -5
This has literally happened to me. I think I am learning to cast them off. Often times, those bad thoughts and sinful desires are not of ourselves, but they are from demonic spirits. That's good your recognizing them. God bless you for saying this I panicked when it happened.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 10:52:44 GMT -5
When I first became a Christian, I first attended a Pentecostal assembly.
And in that assembly, we were never once taught how to fight the good fight faith, and stuff of that nature, and I would read my bible, but did not know much about how to fight the good fight of faith and crucifying the flesh and so on.
But when we came out of this place, afterwards we were with a pastor that actually taught us how to crucify the flesh and fight the good fight of faith, he taught us how to do it, and not just saying we have victory in Jesus.
And from there I gradually started to know how to do so, and I appreciate that.
And people need to be taught these things properly.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 11:10:24 GMT -5
It is easy if we are not careful, to allow ourselves to be drawn to the world, but do not allow yourselves to do so, do not walk in the works of the flesh, walk after the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 9, 2020 11:19:19 GMT -5
When I first became a Christian, I first attended a Pentecostal assembly. And in that assembly, we were never once taught how to fight the good fight faith, and stuff of that nature, and I would read my bible, but did not know much about how to fight the good fight of faith and crucifying the flesh and so on. But when we came out of this place, afterwards we were with a pastor that actually taught us how to crucify the flesh and fight the good fight of faith, he taught us how to do it, and not just saying we have victory in Jesus. And from there I gradually started to know how to do so, and I appreciate that. And people need to be taught these things properly. You are not lying!!
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 11:20:30 GMT -5
When I first became a Christian, I first attended a Pentecostal assembly. And in that assembly, we were never once taught how to fight the good fight faith, and stuff of that nature, and I would read my bible, but did not know much about how to fight the good fight of faith and crucifying the flesh and so on. But when we came out of this place, afterwards we were with a pastor that actually taught us how to crucify the flesh and fight the good fight of faith, he taught us how to do it, and not just saying we have victory in Jesus. And from there I gradually started to know how to do so, and I appreciate that. And people need to be taught these things properly. You are not lying!! That is right I am not lying, it happens way too often!!!
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Post by frienduff on Mar 9, 2020 16:16:51 GMT -5
We have the simple pattern JESUS gave and then the apostels taught it too . number one , IF one truly has the SPIRIT , then they have all they need to overcome evil . POINT to the POWER . Number two , if any does err , confess and forsake and pray one for another that ye may be healed . The problem is men are not teaching the whole counsel of truth . Our approach towards sin , should sound identical to HOW JESUS approached it . VERY SERIOUS and the apostels were the same way . Let it not once be named among you . even saying if others err and wont repent , get them out from amongst you . How bout another one of pauls warnings . Where he says , IF he comes he will not spare , talking about those who had sinned and NOT REPENTED . SO you see the problem is , TODAY this kind of stuff is not being done at all . Instead we keep hearing , OH GOD knows ya sin , OH etc and etc . The problem is , with this kind of doctrine , it only opens the door to leaven coming in and getting worse . And it did too . Seeker friendly was a bomb of a disaster . Not only that , but we should be using the same approach in all things that the original ones did . Talking and reminding about HOW one must endure faithful TO THE END . focusing on the END reward and the heeding of the SPIRIT which gives us both the unction and ability to fight the fight . Look at the examples of the apostels to the children . DID they not warn about error and did they not say , Ye must endure faithful TO THE END . DID JESUS not say the same thing on earth . And how about we look at the message to the seven churches . HOW come it was repent or else . but today its, OH no need to be a naysayer , ya cant lose salvation . According to peter and paul me sees an entirely different approach . It was die daily , fight the fight , warnings about what happened to those who left their first estate and warning all NOT to do that either . LOOK at the over all reminders to the churches . Look at the warning even paul gave about those who left off the first faith and now followed satan . Look at the message to the church of Ephesus concering the first love . aka , That means THEY HAD IT . THEY ACTUALLY had it and were losing it . and it was REPENT OR ELSE . SEE the whole mindset of the early church was , ONLY JESUS saves , but if one continues not IN HIM , if one continues not to heed the Spirit , THEY SURE CAN BE and WILL BE CAST OUT . SO many no longer even know the severity of GOD , and preach a false goodness too . WE must learn that pattern , we must heed that pattern , and the truth is , IF ONE HAS the SPIRIT then why would they hate the original pattern . MAKES No sense . Lambs love truth , and lambs should know that every warning to every promise from GOD and those men who knew HIM , are just FOR OUR OWN GOOD . that we take heed to do the good and flee the evil . Folks were lulled into a sleep under doctrines of men , and now those doctrines grow far more worse as well . Because let a little leaven in , AND ITS GONNA ONLY GET WORSE . Either we teach the whole truth , or prepare to fall . all reminders are for our good . I'm not saying anything otherwise brother. I'm only talking about GROWING from being in the flesh and self-effort to being in the Spirit with all these things. Something to take very seriously indeed. Wanna hear something beautiful . love this . love it . Did the apostels walk in the SPIRIT . YES THEY DID . And by that same spirit , they warned big time , they gave out continuous reminders on how to live and not live , walk and not walk . To obey the SPIRIT and not the flesh . they were huge on obedience and that who we obey IS WHOSE we are . I truly believe and know they walked in the SPIRIT and wrote those letters by that same spirit . WE ought to sound LIKE THEY DID . Love it sister . love and embrace it .
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Post by frienduff on Mar 9, 2020 16:22:20 GMT -5
This has literally happened to me. I think I am learning to cast them off. Often times, those bad thoughts and sinful desires are not of ourselves, but they are from demonic spirits. That's good your recognizing them. No , they are of us , of our flesh . tempting spirits can tempt ONLY the flesh . cant tempt the SPIRIT . thus we gotta heed the SPIRIT and not our contrary flesh . Remember what James said , , for James had sat under JESUS . I will tell you what they both said . James said when any man is tempted , its of his own flesh . JESUS said GAURD YOUR HEART , for out of it comes the issues of life . A battle till the day we die . Our flesh will always be able to be tempted . WHO WE CHOOSE to OBEY is WHOSE WE ARE . Will we heed the lust that cometh of our own flesh , OR WILL WE HEED THE SPIRIT which sends out the alarm bells when that flesh does rise up . Sin will harden a heart . WE must heed the LAMB , the SPIRIT , at all times . And if one does err , my advice , PULL THEM OUT BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY . And confess your faults , repent and be restored . The flesh will never stop being contrary , BUT I PROMISE we have ALL WE NEED IN JESUS to resist temptation .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:48:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything otherwise brother. I'm only talking about GROWING from being in the flesh and self-effort to being in the Spirit with all these things. Something to take very seriously indeed. Wanna hear something beautiful . love this . love it . Did the apostels walk in the SPIRIT . YES THEY DID . And by that same spirit , they warned big time , they gave out continuous reminders on how to live and not live , walk and not walk . To obey the SPIRIT and not the flesh . they were huge on obedience and that who we obey IS WHOSE we are . I truly believe and know they walked in the SPIRIT and wrote those letters by that same spirit . WE ought to sound LIKE THEY DID . Love it sister . love and embrace it . I'm not trying to be an apostle or even a preacher or any such....just sharing and discussing this issue is all. But I think some clarification might be needed. Look at the title of this thread... Christians Living as Under the Law. I know where you live the biggest problem is licentiousness and sinful believers, so that is what you are always fighting. But what I have observed a lot of is the opposite....it is that most believers make an effort to live righteously but by their own strength, as if they were under Law....that is just the reality of how it is with most believers in most churches that I have seen, and I just have not come across many that are truly walking in the Spirit in all my 34 years of knowing the Lord. Most in churches and religious circles are still walking as children....under the tutelage of law and serving in the old way of the letter. That to me is another way of saying that they aren't growing to learn how to walk in the Spirit, their love isn't being matured/perfected. Paul was trying to instruct and help believers to understand that in Christ they needed to not walk after the letter of the law, but walk in the spirit and put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit. Recently the Lord helped me to understand what "perfect love casts out fear" means...I had wondered about it for a long time, wondering what fear was cast out...thinking it couldn't mean to cast out the fear/worship of the Lord. The Lord was gracious to finally help me understand that it is talking about the bondage to fear that comes from being under the Law...that is the fear that gets cast out when our love is perfected...which means matured. I posted on this recently but don't know how many agreed or whether any even saw it. Rom 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 1Jo 4:17-19 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect (mature) love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment (punishment). He that feareth is not made perfect (matured) in love. We love him, because he first loved us. Gal 4:1-3 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant (slave) though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: Gal 3:24-25 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [fn]tutor. When we first come to faith most of us don't even initially know what sin is, until we are taught out of the word of God, His laws. We are infants and children in the beginning and need to be trained and disciplined, tutored, by the Law. But we need to grow beyond all that to learn the ways of the Spirit and how to walk after the Spirit and no longer serving out of our flesh and self effort. I don't really have any unction for "explaining" things in writing, and this is not my best time of day....hope this doesn't just make things more confusing, but I thought I should at least try to make it more clear what I'm talking about. Most believers are living as though under the Law....as children/slaves, that's just the reality (for those not in the licentious camp)....and I believe that's okay for a little while, but that people need to grow and mature past that stage. Where I have mentioned growing past being a child/slave in bondage to fear, to being a matured bride serving out of free will and love, not fear. Many don't though, although I believe and hope that more will as we get closer to the return of the Lord.
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