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Post by 777 on Apr 3, 2020 8:25:13 GMT -5
Its got so bad , now folks are even being called a legalstic if you warn against gay marriage and other paths as being valid too . But as it is written , LET GOD BE TRUE , and every man a liar . STAND ON WHAT GOD says , and not on what men say . And IF JESUS said , That hearers only and not doers , built their foundation on sand , THAT MEANS what it says . And its why james , WHO KNEW we are saved by faith , ALSO KNEW that mouth faith meant NOTHING . its dead faith if works do not accompany it . . The evidence of whether one is truly HIS , will always be seen by their fruits . they will confess by MOUTH JESUS and they will be DOERS of the word . Those basking in the phony "grace plus nothing doctrine don't want anyone raining on their parade by saying those who continue in sin wont go to heaven, so they created the legalism accusation.
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Post by 777 on Apr 3, 2020 8:27:35 GMT -5
I hear preachers and just church people mention things are legalism all the time. I figured the Bible talks about it, but after seeing your thread about legalism as nonsense, I tried to find it in the Bible, and it wasn't there. Are people lying to us about legalism? Where does it come from? Don't let them convince you obedience to the Lord is legalism. Jesus' grace allows us to be fully obedient. We're not to be mastered by sin. Well said.
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Post by John on Apr 9, 2020 12:46:39 GMT -5
Its got so bad , now folks are even being called a legalstic if you warn against gay marriage and other paths as being valid too . But as it is written , LET GOD BE TRUE , and every man a liar . STAND ON WHAT GOD says , and not on what men say . And IF JESUS said , That hearers only and not doers , built their foundation on sand , THAT MEANS what it says . And its why james , WHO KNEW we are saved by faith , ALSO KNEW that mouth faith meant NOTHING . its dead faith if works do not accompany it . . The evidence of whether one is truly HIS , will always be seen by their fruits . they will confess by MOUTH JESUS and they will be DOERS of the word . Those basking in the phony "grace plus nothing doctrine don't want anyone raining on their parade by saying those who continue in sin wont go to heaven, so they created the legalism accusation. All we can do is keep warning people, and urging them to read the Bible. If they care so little about their soul that they will not even read the Bible to see if we are speaking the truth, there is nothing more we can do. We can keep praying for them, but they still have to take the time to seek the Lord.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 9, 2020 16:40:05 GMT -5
Those basking in the phony "grace plus nothing doctrine don't want anyone raining on their parade by saying those who continue in sin wont go to heaven, so they created the legalism accusation. All we can do is keep warning people, and urging them to read the Bible. If they care so little about their soul that they will not even read the Bible to see if we are speaking the truth, there is nothing more we can do. We can keep praying for them, but they still have to take the time to seek the Lord.
BATTLE TIME . the evil take no time off , not a year , not a month , not a week , not an hour . WE WONT EITHER . TIME FOR THE END TIME BATTLE . The lambs wont just go away silent in the night , NO WE GONNA MAKE OUR STAND NOW .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 9, 2020 16:40:57 GMT -5
ITS the wicked that flee , the rightous are bold as a lion . UP , UP , on those feet , THE KING WILL BE HONORED and POINTED TOO . and the cost is the cost .
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Post by Berean on Apr 9, 2020 22:22:34 GMT -5
Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as legalism. The word legalism, legalistic, or anything like that is not found in the Bible. It is something the modern church made up and calls a sin to keep people from coming against "things." They do not like it when anyone preaches against specific sins, especially if they are guilty, so they accuse those who preach on individual issues of being legalists. Jesus said that if we want to be great in the Kingdom of God, we will keep and teach the least commandments. That would make Jesus a legalist. Not surprisingly, many reject a lot of the teachings of Jesus, and say they do not apply to us today.
So you are saying that for all of the teaching against legalism, it is not even mentioned in the Bible? How could so many preachers fall for something like that? Don't they all know what is going on, and that legalism is not mentioned in the Bible? Don't they teach them that in Seminary? Don't they read the Bible? How many more lies were we told? I am going to read the Bible again and try to do it as though it was for the first time. Thank you all.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Apr 10, 2020 10:08:58 GMT -5
John frienduff Tabitha3319 and all others...
It seems that for many people to encourage living like Jesus is legalism but...
what the Bible says?
“He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.” - 1 John 2:6
“...as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct...” - 1 Peter 1:15
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification...” - 1 Thessalonians 4:3
“...Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and
become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” - Matthew 18:3
“Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord...” - Hebrews 12:14
They can invent excuses for NOT keeping the word. But we choose to keep it.
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me...” - John 14:21
“He who says, “I know Him,”
and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” - 1 John 2:4
“And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” - Matthew 7:23
“But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and
murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” - Revelation 22:15
Conclusion:
“Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.” - Revelation 22:14
Blessings!
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Post by frienduff on Apr 10, 2020 10:21:26 GMT -5
John frienduff Tabitha3319 and all others...
It seems that for many people to encourage living like Jesus is legalism but...
what the Bible says?
“He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.” - 1 John 2:6
“...as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct...” - 1 Peter 1:15
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification...” - 1 Thessalonians 4:3
“...Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and
become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” - Matthew 18:3
“Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord...” - Hebrews 12:14
They can invent excuses for NOT keeping the word. But we choose to keep it.
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me...” - John 14:21
“He who says, “I know Him,”
and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” - 1 John 2:4
“And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” - Matthew 7:23
“But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and
murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” - Revelation 22:15
Conclusion:
“Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.” - Revelation 22:14
Blessings! LETTERS , YOU SPOT ON RIGHT . The aposltes and all who LOVE THE KING JESUS have always exhorted the chruch to walk as DID HE , TO LOVE aka OBEY HIS EVERY WORD . MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY THIS , WHY WOULD A LAMB EVER ENCOURAGE OTHERWISE , OR WHY WOULD A LAMB EVER DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM OBEYING EVERY SINGLE DOT HE EVER SAID . AND THE ANSWER IS , NO LAMB WOULD . NOW THAT WILL OFFEND MANY , BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH . GO OUT STRONG IN THE KING LETTERS , GO OUT STRONG . BATTLE TIME .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 10, 2020 10:22:57 GMT -5
if I HAVE TO DIE denfending the biblical JESUS , all HIS SAYINGS , all the teachings of the apostels , THEN ITS ONLY A BLESSING . COUNT THE COST , AND SEE IT AS GAIN ALONE . BATTLE TIME .
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Post by John on Apr 14, 2020 4:57:00 GMT -5
Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as legalism. The word legalism, legalistic, or anything like that is not found in the Bible. It is something the modern church made up and calls a sin to keep people from coming against "things." They do not like it when anyone preaches against specific sins, especially if they are guilty, so they accuse those who preach on individual issues of being legalists. Jesus said that if we want to be great in the Kingdom of God, we will keep and teach the least commandments. That would make Jesus a legalist. Not surprisingly, many reject a lot of the teachings of Jesus, and say they do not apply to us today.
So you are saying that for all of the teaching against legalism, it is not even mentioned in the Bible? How could so many preachers fall for something like that? Don't they all know what is going on, and that legalism is not mentioned in the Bible? Don't they teach them that in Seminary? Don't they read the Bible? How many more lies were we told? I am going to read the Bible again and try to do it as though it was for the first time. Thank you all. You will not find a single mention of legalism, legalistic, or Judaizer in the Bible, anywhere. It is the invention of false teachers. Sadly, it has influenced sincere teachers too. I have heard people call things that are strictly New Testament teachings legalism, like saying it is a shame for a man to have long hair or a woman to have short hair. How can that be legalism with regard to the law of Moses when it was not even mentioned in the law of Moses? This teaching does not appear until Corinthians. Still, when someone does not like something you say, they love to throw around the false accusation of legalism. I have even heard people say that in reference to the necessary things Paul mentions that the gentiles need to observe in Acts. These false teachers will even claim nobody has to observe those things. They are self-willed and rebellious. Just stay in the KJV Bible, and you should be able to see through them.
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Post by Cletus on Apr 14, 2020 6:41:46 GMT -5
many seminaries are ate up with false teachings.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 14, 2020 8:24:48 GMT -5
So you are saying that for all of the teaching against legalism, it is not even mentioned in the Bible? How could so many preachers fall for something like that? Don't they all know what is going on, and that legalism is not mentioned in the Bible? Don't they teach them that in Seminary? Don't they read the Bible? How many more lies were we told? I am going to read the Bible again and try to do it as though it was for the first time. Thank you all. You will not find a single mention of legalism, legalistic, or Judaizer in the Bible, anywhere. It is the invention of false teachers. Sadly, it has influenced sincere teachers too. I have heard people call things that are strictly New Testament teachings legalism, like saying it is a shame for a man to have long hair or a woman to have short hair. How can that be legalism with regard to the law of Moses when it was not even mentioned in the law of Moses? This teaching does not appear until Corinthians. Still, when someone does not like something you say, they love to throw around the false accusation of legalism. I have even heard people say that in reference to the necessary things Paul mentions that the gentiles need to observe in Acts. These false teachers will even claim nobody has to observe those things. They are self-willed and rebellious. Just stay in the KJV Bible, and you should be able to see through them.
They are , SELF WILLED and REBELLIOUS and have turned the grace of GOD into lasvicousness . as though the grace of GOD came to make us transgress righteousness , Ponder that one . cause that aint what the grace of GOD came to DO . It came to set us TRANSGRESSORS FREE from the POWER OF SIN , and that we would now WORSHIP GOD IN SPIRIT and in truth , IN the BEAUTY OF ..........HOLINESS . And as you said , STAY IN THE KJV BIBLE , love it , learn it , embrace and adorn all things that JESUS and those apostles taught . LAMBS love truth and not lies . Lambs heed the voice of .........THE GREAT SHEPARD . and the voice of the great shepard , DOES NOT TRANSGRESS the words OF THE GREAT SHEPARD . wonder how long that will take some to figure out . IF any voice , if any spirit , if any thought does come to a man , and that thought , voice , spirit CONTRADICTS what was written , REST ASSURED IT COMES NOT FROM GOD , but from the same voice that once said , HAS GOD REALLY SAID , NAY NAY it says . YEAH that is whose voice speaks that which is CONTRARY TO THE KING JESUS and all things that even the apostels wrote . Lambs dont heed that voice they HEED THE KINGS VOICE . Now , leap up and praise the KING for HIS MERCY and TRUE GRACE .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 14, 2020 8:27:32 GMT -5
many seminaries are ate up with false teachings. ATE UP REAL BAD . They sell SWISS CHEESE DOCTRINE . for it has more holes than swiss cheese my friend . Got more holes than a screen door . And a submarine made of screen , WONT FLOAT .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 14, 2020 8:41:00 GMT -5
Whereunto shall we liken the many seminaries of today . It is as children who left off the building of the solid wooden ark and began to build a far larger ark . They builded and worked by the sweat of their brow . All the while the true children of the king continued with the instruction OF the KING and remained in the true ark . In the process of time it came to pass that the new ark created by the seminaries of men gone wrong , grew very , very large so massive it was it made the true ark seem small . And the great men laughed at those who had remained on the true ark . They boasted in the creation of their own hands and witty minds and said , LOOK how tiny you all are , we are a massive in number and ye are small in number . Our ship is mighty and strong and we can build twice as fast as ye and many enter into our doors , our many doors into our giant world ark . And the children of the true king said , Ye cannot build that which has ALREADY BEEN GIVEN . and the children of seminiarias and hermes just laughed them to scorn . WE build a massive ship with a massive tower , we will previal by the works of our own hands , for We are gods . And the children of the true king said , That ship will not float when once the waters arise , ye have left off the true instruction and have built it by inventions of men . And the children of seminaries and hermes said , SHUSH you foolish men , we are wise , Hermes has made us wise . We will build and shall float , ye will sink for ye heed not our wisdom . Thus both continue on until the times of the end . And near the end the clouds did appear and grew dark . and the children of hermes looked about and continued to build and build . They children of hermes then looked around and noticed that not a soul was working on the other ark . And they cried , alas , alas where are these non comformers . Why are they not seen , where can they be . Then as the great winds began to flow over the land and the rains began to fill the places , the lil true ark began to float and all its lambs were already INSIDE . and the men of hermes , of great wisdom ofthis world , began to cry aloud , WHY does that little ship float and our huge one does not yet float . And the wisest of their men said , ALAS , its because we NEED MORE SCREEN .....................THE END .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 14, 2020 8:44:20 GMT -5
SCREEN DONT FLOAT . NOR WILL FALSE DOCTRINE AND THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD .
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