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Post by watchful on May 12, 2020 8:26:28 GMT -5
All you have to do Watchful is read the context, and see what surrounds phrases like knowing the difference between the holy and the profane. No, sorry, that isn't all we need. We need the Lord to give us insight too brother.....we need to rely on Him....He doesn't always stick to context....often He says something that also goes beyond the logical context. Sometimes there is even a prophecy within a prophecy so to speak. Anyway, I wont belabour any of this, enough said if anyone wants to give it a ponder.. Have a blessed day. |
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Post by 777 on May 12, 2020 8:36:24 GMT -5
All you have to do Watchful is read the context, and see what surrounds phrases like knowing the difference between the holy and the profane. No, sorry, that isn't all we need. We need the Lord to give us insight too brother.....we need to rely on Him....He doesn't always stick to context....often He says something that also goes beyond the logical context. Sometimes there is even a prophecy within a prophecy so to speak. Anyway, I wont belabour any of this, enough said if anyone wants to give it a ponder.. Have a blessed day. |
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Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 9:54:09 GMT -5
All you have to do Watchful is read the context, and see what surrounds phrases like knowing the difference between the holy and the profane. No, sorry, that isn't all we need. We need the Lord to give us insight too brother.....we need to rely on Him....He doesn't always stick to context....often He says something that also goes beyond the logical context. Sometimes there is even a prophecy within a prophecy so to speak. Anyway, I wont belabour any of this, enough said if anyone wants to give it a ponder.. Have a blessed day. I also agree to a point, but as 777 said scripture will not contradict scripture, it goes in harmony with each other. |
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Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 10:08:51 GMT -5
watchful is it ok if I have a conversation with you regarding what you consider is of the flesh or not, and what way are you using those words? And how you use scripture in regards to this? Example, what do you say these scriptures mean: Gal 5:16-17 (16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. What are the lusts of the flesh to you? And 2 verses down it says this: Gal 5:19-21 (19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Now of course the physical body is not perfect, for it decays, and grows old, but to you is the physical body, in and of itself sinful, or is it neutral? Is art or having a musical talent to you sinful or neutral? And can these things to you, be used for the glory of God? And yes anything can become idolatry, anything can be used in a wrong way, and so on and so forth. I just want to understand your position, not trying to be mean or anything.
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 10:38:01 GMT -5
okay, it's a departure from the subject at hand, but I better offer some proof and insight about the holy and profane. Check the link and definition and how the word is used in the bible where it is synonymous with common: www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2455&t=KJVSomething the Lord opened my eyes to is that when we confuse the holy with the common it always leads us astray. One example is where Christians have artistic talent and paint 'spiritual' paintings supposedly inspired by the Lord...it always ends up being new age and a form of idolatry....I've never seen it bear good fruit, only bad, maybe others here have come across this too. Artistic talent is neither here nor there when it comes to the kingdom of God, it's of the flesh, common, like natural 'intelligence' is, or sports or music, or any other talent, and it is wrong to confuse it with something holy and elevate it into something spiritual. In fact the Lord likely may require a believer to lay down their natural talents at some point, whatever they may be...since we are called to forsake all in order to follow Jesus. Another example that we have witnessed the sad lessons of church history regarding, is that of mixing "church and state"...of mixing and confusing earthly government and administration with something spiritual and holy, again it leads to idolatry and all the kind of errors we see with the Roman church and papacy. Remember the example in the bible of sons of Aaron offering strange fire on the altar and how God's judgment fell...instead of offering true heavenly fire, they offered common natural earthly fire. Just to add profane can mean something sinful and defiled as well.....but also can be used to mean common....and I am just talking about the latter with the point I was making. OH i seen what you speak of sister and oh yes new age is behind it . And oh yes i see the mixing of state and church and so forth . |
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Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 10:39:20 GMT -5
And there is no doubt that we need to rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal the word to us, and there are times were the answer is right in front of you, and he is revealing it to you, yet you do not recognize that it is him.
See not every revelation as to be so sophisticated or complicated, some things are as simple as reading what it says, and how it is saying things.
And there are other things that it requires more seeking, and so on.
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Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 10:49:47 GMT -5
And I also agree with separation of church and state, but the way some people mention this (not pointing to anyone here), is some will mention this, in a sense that you do not involve the ways of the bible in government, which God wants his ways in every thing, including government.
But true separation of church and state in a good way, is to realize that the church is a separate entity from the government, therefore you cannot merge church and state.
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 10:51:45 GMT -5
profane. , not sacred , commmon , profane .
not concerned with religion or religous matters .
secular .
Irreverant towards God or holy things .
speaking , spoken , acting or done in contempt of sacred things .
blasphemous, as profane words or langauge .
to treat as if is profane , not Holy .
syn . impious , godless, ungodly , irreverant , irreligious , unholy, unhallowed , unsanctified , secular , temporal wordly .
profane . to treat as if profane or not sacred . (LIKE MANY CHURCHES TREAT THE WORDS OF GOD , as THOUGH THEY ARE NOT HOLY AND TOTAL TRUTH )
to Violate , to treat with irreverance , THEY DONT REVERANCE GODS WORD .
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 10:53:59 GMT -5
THEY PUT NO DIFFERENCE between the HOLY WORD of GOD and the words of men . Fact is they reverance the words of men , NOT THE WORDS OF GOD .
HOW is that for an example .
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 10:58:15 GMT -5
HOW MANY DO THAT . YALL KNOW the overwhemling majority do it . THEY DONT COUNT the words o JESUS AS HOLY , THEY DONT REVERANCE what he taught , they put the doctrines of men and make them as though
they the precepts of GOD . AND YET , WHERE is the reverance FOR GOD IN THAT .
THEY PUT no difference between the CLEAN and HOLY WORD of GOD and those twisted wacked out compromised teachings of men . IN fact , THEY actually CLING TO THE PROFANE words of men , NOT the HOLY WORD of GOD .
HOW MANY DO THIS .
HOW MANY CLING TO HERMES and will allow HIS HOLY WORDS to be twisted .
I TELL US ALL , MANY are in dire , upmost peril of total grave danger . A LAMB WOULD REVERENCE EVERY WORD that COMETH OF THE MOUTH OF THE LORD .
A lamb would LOVE IT , FOR IT CAME OF HIM . WE GOTTA STAND HOLY and DEFEND The truth like never before . OPEN THE HOLY BIBLE and close all ears to those profane words of men .
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 11:01:46 GMT -5
Let them all look wise , i will gladly look a fool to those world wise men . JESUS , HIS WORDS WILL BE ADORN and LOVED . And what those apostels taught we will be loved , IT WAS SPIRIT INSPIRED .
And all sound doctrine WILL BE HELD HIGH WITH UPMOST GLORY AND LOVE .
Let them world wise greek learned men do as they do and say as they say and see ol frienduff as a foolish unlearned unwise child . LEST ye be converted as children , Yea wont enter the KINGDOM OF GOD .
They can keep every bit of their theologies , their seminiaries theier great greek words and so called superior new translations .
But as for me , ITS JESUS , THE SPIRIT and THE KJV BIBLE . let the folks laugh me to scorn . BUT I GOT MY HOPE , IN JESUS and NOTHING ELSE .
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Post by frienduff on May 12, 2020 11:06:08 GMT -5
Now put those hands up giller , watchful , john , triple sevens , walker and all who love the LORD .
WE GOT OUR FIGHT , and they will come from within , but they truly are without . WE MUST cling more and only more to the pure words of OUR LORD and in that kjv bible .
WE must cling to CHRIST , we must HEED THE SPIRIT . we got a real war . not a play one , A REAL ONE .
And not only will they invade sites , LAWS will keep changing , words will become laws and actions AGAINST US .
NOW WE need to armour up in the KING and stand ready to defend the truth . there are lots of poisoned wells in many churches from which many do drink .
And they are twisted real bad in mind . THEY profess they KNOW HIM , BUT THEY DO DENY HIM IN WORKS .
WE must defend and contend for the true faith and that entails to teach EVERY WORD JESUS EVER said and the apostels wrote about TOO as well as ALL SOUND and HOLY BIBLICAL DOCTRINE .
ARISE , IT IS BATTLE TIME and do i mean , BATTLE TIME .
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Post by watchful on May 13, 2020 10:50:50 GMT -5
And there is no doubt that we need to rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal the word to us, and there are times were the answer is right in front of you, and he is revealing it to you, yet you do not recognize that it is him. See not every revelation as to be so sophisticated or complicated, some things are as simple as reading what it says, and how it is saying things. And there are other things that it requires more seeking, and so on. Amen. The Holy Spirit is often more involved than we know.......the bible was just complete gobbledy-gook to me before I was saved, but as soon as I was saved the Lord drew me to the bible and gave me a love for the word, and what was once veiled, darkened, and like a foreign language to me before suddenly was opened to my understanding. But also our minds of flesh can just as often get in the way of His light, when our mind is what we are relying on, instead of on the Spirit. How many times did we read scripture in our earlier walk that just didnt' register, so we just completely overlooked and ignored it because it "did not compute".....until/unless we received understanding from the Lord. I remember that so well, and that's why I can see this is often one problem with many in the OSAS camp, they ignore, and so are ignorant of, scriptures that they don't understand. Then when someone points out scripture to them that contradicts their pre-existing theology, they scramble to try and force and wrest that scripture with their own mind and intellect to try and make it fit. Deception and a snare to think our own mind can perceive things of the Spirit. Well, we all still have blind spots, and still lots of room to keep learning and growing, and need to be careful how we build, that we are building with things that are of His Spirit, not with things that are carnal and temporal..wood hay and stubble. |
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Post by watchful on May 13, 2020 11:18:51 GMT -5
watchful is it ok if I have a conversation with you regarding what you consider is of the flesh or not, and what way are you using those words? And how you use scripture in regards to this? Example, what do you say these scriptures mean: Gal 5:16-17 (16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. What are the lusts of the flesh to you? And 2 verses down it says this: Gal 5:19-21 (19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Now of course the physical body is not perfect, for it decays, and grows old, but to you is the physical body, in and of itself sinful, or is it neutral? Is art or having a musical talent to you sinful or neutral? And can these things to you, be used for the glory of God? And yes anything can become idolatry, anything can be used in a wrong way, and so on and so forth. I just want to understand your position, not trying to be mean or anything. I'm not sure what kind of explanation I can give you yet.....waiting on the Lord to see if or what He would have me to answer. I think you are wanting an explanation of what I meant when talking about confusing and mixing the holy with the profane/common....and also about forsaking our own self-efforts. |
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Post by frienduff on May 13, 2020 12:55:13 GMT -5
profane. , not sacred , commmon , profane . not concerned with religion or religous matters . secular . Irreverant towards God or holy things . speaking , spoken , acting or done in contempt of sacred things . blasphemous, as profane words or langauge . to treat as if is profane , not Holy . syn . impious , godless, ungodly , irreverant , irreligious , unholy, unhallowed , unsanctified , secular , temporal wordly . profane . to treat as if profane or not sacred . (LIKE MANY CHURCHES TREAT THE WORDS OF GOD , as THOUGH THEY ARE NOT HOLY AND TOTAL TRUTH ) to Violate , to treat with irreverance , THEY DONT REVERANCE GODS WORD . my eyes are swelling up with tears . i can only hope a sister did not read this . She did read the other statement and put a like on it . But this one was left blank . OH HOLY FATHER , my prayer is , that no one is being led astray from THEY HOLY WORDS in that bible . MEN are snakes in the grass , BUT YOU OH LORD , are indeed the only hope we have . |
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