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Post by Giller on May 9, 2020 16:20:03 GMT -5
Yes God sends his judgment, he raises one kingdom, and sends judgment on another, and we need to always put our trust in God, but to say who cares about what is happening in the world, when God wants us to be alert , I do not know, I do not see that in the word, but I do see to were God says for us to cast all our cares upon him, for he cares for us.
But I also see God warning of things throughout the bible, making people alert.
But I do see what you mean Watchful about conspiracies, but I also know that sometimes people get raised up to expose things as well.
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Post by Giller on May 9, 2020 16:30:09 GMT -5
I do not want to be one that ignores everything that is said, but also I do not want to be one that accepts everything that is said.
And I find that just by knowing what the word of God says, and knowing were things are headed, that all by itself tells you there will be deception and lies said, so we should expect things to come to light in some fashion, and for things to be shown as this or that.
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Post by Giller on May 9, 2020 16:30:37 GMT -5
Discernment is very much needed.
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Post by watchful on May 9, 2020 19:20:23 GMT -5
That Dr. Shiva seems to be associated with Deepak Chopra....I would be careful of using him as a source of information. I didn't actually watch this, but the title and association alone I think should make us cautious. As believers we really want to keep hold of heaven's perspective on things anyhow, and not give too much weight to conspiracy theories or it could lead us astray. It is the Lord who sends judgments and it is the Lord who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms, that's what He tells us in His word.....we need to give HIM His due glory and fear and not look to the world for answers or be leaning on our own understanding but acknowledge God and He will make our paths straight. As we keep our eyes on the Lord and follow Him, He will lead us and navigate us through whatever is going on in the world and that includes not receiving the mark of the beast. And actually I dont' believe it really matters what is going on in the world, I think we all can agree that it changes absolutely nothing about God's word, our obedience to Him, and His mandate for the church. Isa 8:11-13 This is what the LORD says to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people: “Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread. Hi watchful, how ya doing? I do not know all his affiliations, but this Shiva does get interviewed a lot by many different people. I am not using him as a biblical authority, for he is not Christian, I already knew he was Hindu. What I found interesting in the video I put out, was what he said about the immune system, and how it works, and how he exposes this vaccine stuff. What he is saying about the immune system, I have heard many other different doctors of different backgrounds say similar stuff, so the video I am sharing is strictly to do, with medical, and exposing certain things, concerning Faucci and the vaccine plan. There is no doubt a hidden plan happening, it is evident, and many people of different backgrounds are exposing it. Hi Giller....bless you. Me on my soap box....just wanted to take the opportunity to throw a caution flag up with so much talk of conspiracies these days. I think the key is that as long as we don't get into the flesh with these things. These do seem to be days of the Lord exposing a lot of things in the church and the world, I agree, and as long as He is the one exposing and giving us discernment, and we don't get ahead of Him so to speak, then we're fine. If we have our eyes on the Lord and tracking with Him, then we can be watchful without needing to be hypervigilant on our part.
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Post by Giller on May 9, 2020 22:07:20 GMT -5
Hi watchful, how ya doing? I do not know all his affiliations, but this Shiva does get interviewed a lot by many different people. I am not using him as a biblical authority, for he is not Christian, I already knew he was Hindu. What I found interesting in the video I put out, was what he said about the immune system, and how it works, and how he exposes this vaccine stuff. What he is saying about the immune system, I have heard many other different doctors of different backgrounds say similar stuff, so the video I am sharing is strictly to do, with medical, and exposing certain things, concerning Faucci and the vaccine plan. There is no doubt a hidden plan happening, it is evident, and many people of different backgrounds are exposing it. Hi Giller....bless you. Me on my soap box....just wanted to take the opportunity to throw a caution flag up with so much talk of conspiracies these days. I think the key is that as long as we don't get into the flesh with these things. These do seem to be days of the Lord exposing a lot of things in the church and the world, I agree, and as long as He is the one exposing and giving us discernment, and we don't get ahead of Him so to speak, then we're fine. If we have our eyes on the Lord and tracking with Him, then we can be watchful without needing to be hypervigilant on our part. Hi Watchful thanks for this post, I personally bear witness with many things that is said in the Shiva video, and there is exposing of corruption that I really do see happening in this video, how that some things are done for the love of money, people are trusting the medical experts like Faucci too much, and things are truly being exposed via the W.H.O., and many do not see this, and are just accepting the agenda, allowing fear get into their hearts, and are being very susceptible to receiving the mark of the beast or like technology, but thanks for your concern and reply, I just care for people. Now of course if this Shiva guy mentions mixing Hindu stuff with medicine, of course I would not take heed to that. But I think God obviously gave us an immune system for a reason, and maybe if we know more how to activate our immune system in a proper way, that it might be that much more effective. God gives good things.
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Post by watchful on May 10, 2020 4:17:26 GMT -5
Hi Giller....bless you. Me on my soap box....just wanted to take the opportunity to throw a caution flag up with so much talk of conspiracies these days. I think the key is that as long as we don't get into the flesh with these things. These do seem to be days of the Lord exposing a lot of things in the church and the world, I agree, and as long as He is the one exposing and giving us discernment, and we don't get ahead of Him so to speak, then we're fine. If we have our eyes on the Lord and tracking with Him, then we can be watchful without needing to be hypervigilant on our part. Hi Watchful thanks for this post, I personally bear witness with many things that is said in the Shiva video, and there is exposing of corruption that I really do see happening in this video, how that some things are done for the love of money, people are trusting the medical experts like Faucci too much, and things are truly being exposed via the W.H.O., and many do not see this, and are just accepting the agenda, allowing fear get into their hearts, and are being very susceptible to receiving the mark of the beast or like technology, but thanks for your concern and reply, I just care for people. Now of course if this Shiva guy mentions mixing Hindu stuff with medicine, of course I would not take heed to that. But I think God obviously gave us an immune system for a reason, and maybe if we know more how to activate our immune system in a proper way, that it might be that much more effective. God gives good things. Amen, our trust is in God, not in man or things of this world. Though I believe His wisdom is that we may use the things of this world as long as we are not 'enamoured' with them. Meaning our trust, worship and love is not placed in those things. I believe the Lord often uses things of this world to help people with...as long as we are acknowledging Him and being led by Him. Love of money may be the motivating factor for many but that doesn't mean He can't use some of their products for good at times. We use money itself with a clear conscience, even though it's filthy lucre, but we just don't put our trust in it, it's just how the Lord usually provides for us under normal circumstances. Myself I wouldn't write off the idea of a vaccine without first asking Him and waiting to see how He leads me individually or what He would say.
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Post by Giller on May 10, 2020 8:28:36 GMT -5
Hi Watchful thanks for this post, I personally bear witness with many things that is said in the Shiva video, and there is exposing of corruption that I really do see happening in this video, how that some things are done for the love of money, people are trusting the medical experts like Faucci too much, and things are truly being exposed via the W.H.O., and many do not see this, and are just accepting the agenda, allowing fear get into their hearts, and are being very susceptible to receiving the mark of the beast or like technology, but thanks for your concern and reply, I just care for people. Now of course if this Shiva guy mentions mixing Hindu stuff with medicine, of course I would not take heed to that. But I think God obviously gave us an immune system for a reason, and maybe if we know more how to activate our immune system in a proper way, that it might be that much more effective. God gives good things. Amen, our trust is in God, not in man or things of this world. Though I believe His wisdom is that we may use the things of this world as long as we are not 'enamoured' with them. Meaning our trust, worship and love is not placed in those things. I believe the Lord often uses things of this world to help people with...as long as we are acknowledging Him and being led by Him. Love of money may be the motivating factor for many but that doesn't mean He can't use some of their products for good at times. We use money itself with a clear conscience, even though it's filthy lucre, but we just don't put our trust in it, it's just how the Lord usually provides for us under normal circumstances. Myself I wouldn't write off the idea of a vaccine without first asking Him and waiting to see how He leads me individually or what He would say. Look things up yourself, but beware about this coming particular vaccine, just beware.
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Post by watchful on May 10, 2020 8:44:01 GMT -5
Yes God sends his judgment, he raises one kingdom, and sends judgment on another, and we need to always put our trust in God, but to say who cares about what is happening in the world, when God wants us to be alert , I do not know, I do not see that in the word, but I do see to were God says for us to cast all our cares upon him, for he cares for us. But I also see God warning of things throughout the bible, making people alert. But I do see what you mean Watchful about conspiracies, but I also know that sometimes people get raised up to expose things as well. I agree that it's good to have our eyes open to the fact that the systems/institutions of the world are not what we are to rely upon. But there is also a matter that we are not to be entangled with the affairs of this world....so while we are not to be cold and uncaring about current events etc, neither are we to become entangled or over-concerned with them since our citizenship is not here. In a way what the world does doesn't have much to do with us, we are just to be about the Father's business and obeying Him, regardless of whether circumstances in the world are easy or difficult. We reckon ourselves dead to this world. Another concern I have been having lately (just in general, brother I'm not aiming at you or anyone in particular) is that I wonder if we are sometimes crossing over a line into slandering and accusing the lost and speaking evil of dignities......when really that is not our place as ambassadors of Christ, and sometimes it is even like rebelling against the will of God who put those dignities in power. I sometimes have been feeling uneasy in how I have heard some believers speaking recently. Our place is to be advocates (small 'a') and intercessors for the lost, including governing authorities, not condemning them, judging and speculating as to what they might be up to or ranting on against those the Lord has deemed fit to rise to power. Remember David's Godly attitude towards Saul, and how Daniel was towards Nebuchadnezzar........even when the beast comes to power we will still need to submit to governing authorities as the bible says. Humble ourselves under God's mighty hand and in due time...well in due time He will turn the tables, since we have read the end of the story. All I know is that we can't keep ourselves by relying on our own understanding....it's the Lord who will lead and keep us, as always, when we are looking to Him as His children. That's all I wanted to bring across....just reminding us to stay in the spirit and see that we don't fall into the flesh and violate God's word in these things, and I need the reminder as much as anyone lately.
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Post by Giller on May 10, 2020 8:57:51 GMT -5
Yes God sends his judgment, he raises one kingdom, and sends judgment on another, and we need to always put our trust in God, but to say who cares about what is happening in the world, when God wants us to be alert , I do not know, I do not see that in the word, but I do see to were God says for us to cast all our cares upon him, for he cares for us. But I also see God warning of things throughout the bible, making people alert. But I do see what you mean Watchful about conspiracies, but I also know that sometimes people get raised up to expose things as well. I agree that it's good to have our eyes open to the fact that the systems/institutions of the world are not what we are to rely upon. But there is also a matter that we are not to be entangled with the affairs of this world....so while we are not to be cold and uncaring about current events etc, neither are we to become entangled or over-concerned with them since our citizenship is not here. In a way what the world does doesn't have much to do with us, we are just to be about the Father's business and obeying Him, regardless of whether circumstances in the world are easy or difficult. We reckon ourselves dead to this world. Another concern I have been having lately (just in general, brother I'm not aiming at you or anyone in particular) is that I wonder if we are sometimes crossing over a line into slandering and accusing the lost and speaking evil of dignities......when really that is not our place as ambassadors of Christ, and sometimes it is even like rebelling against the will of God who put those dignities in power. I sometimes have been feeling uneasy in how I have heard some believers speaking recently. Our place is to be advocates (small 'a') and intercessors for the lost, including governing authorities, not condemning them, judging and speculating as to what they might be up to or ranting on against those the Lord has deemed fit to rise to power. Remember David's Godly attitude towards Saul, and how Daniel was towards Nebuchadnezzar........even when the beast comes to power we will still need to submit to governing authorities as the bible says. Humble ourselves under God's mighty hand and in due time...well in due time He will turn the tables, since we have read the end of the story. All I know is that we can't keep ourselves by relying on our own understanding....it's the Lord who will lead and keep us, as always, when we are looking to Him as His children. That's all I wanted to bring across....just reminding us to stay in the spirit and see that we don't fall into the flesh and violate God's word in these things, and I need the reminder as much as anyone lately. I will be back to you concerning the issue of dignitaries, because the bible as more to say about it than we think. And yes we have to be careful, but then there are other scripture to think about as well.
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Post by frienduff on May 10, 2020 12:50:17 GMT -5
exactly Giller . SOUND THE TRUMPET , SOUND THE ALARM . LET THE WORDS BE HEARD , CURSED IS THE MAN WHOSE HOPE IS IN MEN , nATIONS , GOVTS < PRESIDENTS and Kings BUT BLESSED is the man whose HOPE IS , IN THE LORD ALONE . yeah i say BLESSED IS THAT MAN .
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Post by watchful on May 10, 2020 15:19:32 GMT -5
Okay guys...I guess we will find out soon if we are being led by the Spirit in this or not. If they come up with a forced vaccine that comes with nefarious things like invisible electronic tattoos and gene altering nano particles, then okay. I would not need to ask the Lord in that case. Seriously, this was not an attack on anyone and I hope we will just try to hear what the Spirit is saying because it’s worth hearing. Calling for a biblical Christlike response to the world and its present circumstances because we all need reminding of it now more than ever and going forward in these times. I guess it seems contrary to logic though, and that’s what can trip us up, so I will just leave it at that. I can bear witness to the Lord's faithful leading and guiding in my life with regard to vaccines and flus, and that He spoke a promise to me about this virus the end of March in almost the same breath that He was promising to bring my son home safely from where he was stranded in a third world country when they were cancelling flights all over the globe. Only the Lord got him home by a miracle...our government here did not do what they were telling us all over the airwaves from coast to coast that they were doing, so no dont' trust governments, that for sure. They even shut down the Canadian Embassy there, lol...thought emergencies were pretty much what embassies existed for. But we can trust the Lord to keep His promises....so just to say I'm not afraid of this virus or trying to justify taking a vaccine out of fear. The Lord is my Shepherd and He will lead and guide me, and will do the same for all who are looking to Him.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on May 10, 2020 15:34:19 GMT -5
Okay guys...I guess we will find out soon if we are being led by the Spirit in this or not. If they come up with a forced vaccine that comes with nefarious things like invisible electronic tattoos and gene altering nano particles, then okay. I would not need to ask the Lord in that case. Seriously, this was not an attack on anyone and I hope we will just try to hear what the Spirit is saying because it’s worth hearing. Calling for a biblical Christlike response to the world and its present circumstances because we all need reminding of it now more than ever and going forward in these times. I guess it seems contrary to logic though, and that’s what can trip us up, so I will just leave it at that. I can bear witness to the Lord's faithful leading and guiding in my life with regard to vaccines and flus, and that He spoke a promise to me about this virus the end of March in almost the same breath that He was promising to bring my son home safely from where he was stranded in a third world country when they were cancelling flights all over the globe. Only the Lord got him home by a miracle...our government here did not do what they were telling us all over the airwaves from coast to coast that they were doing, so no dont' trust governments, that for sure. They even shut down the Canadian Embassy there, lol...thought emergencies were pretty much what embassies existed for. But we can trust the Lord to keep His promises....so just to say I'm not afraid of this virus or trying to justify taking a vaccine out of fear. The Lord is my Shepherd and He will lead and guide me, and will do the same for all who are looking to Him. Word
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Post by John on May 10, 2020 18:48:54 GMT -5
Yes God sends his judgment, he raises one kingdom, and sends judgment on another, and we need to always put our trust in God, but to say who cares about what is happening in the world, when God wants us to be alert , I do not know, I do not see that in the word, but I do see to were God says for us to cast all our cares upon him, for he cares for us. But I also see God warning of things throughout the bible, making people alert. But I do see what you mean Watchful about conspiracies, but I also know that sometimes people get raised up to expose things as well. I agree that it's good to have our eyes open to the fact that the systems/institutions of the world are not what we are to rely upon. But there is also a matter that we are not to be entangled with the affairs of this world....so while we are not to be cold and uncaring about current events etc, neither are we to become entangled or over-concerned with them since our citizenship is not here. In a way what the world does doesn't have much to do with us, we are just to be about the Father's business and obeying Him, regardless of whether circumstances in the world are easy or difficult. We reckon ourselves dead to this world. Another concern I have been having lately (just in general, brother I'm not aiming at you or anyone in particular) is that I wonder if we are sometimes crossing over a line into slandering and accusing the lost and speaking evil of dignities......when really that is not our place as ambassadors of Christ, and sometimes it is even like rebelling against the will of God who put those dignities in power. I sometimes have been feeling uneasy in how I have heard some believers speaking recently. Our place is to be advocates (small 'a') and intercessors for the lost, including governing authorities, not condemning them, judging and speculating as to what they might be up to or ranting on against those the Lord has deemed fit to rise to power. Remember David's Godly attitude towards Saul, and how Daniel was towards Nebuchadnezzar........even when the beast comes to power we will still need to submit to governing authorities as the bible says. Humble ourselves under God's mighty hand and in due time...well in due time He will turn the tables, since we have read the end of the story. All I know is that we can't keep ourselves by relying on our own understanding....it's the Lord who will lead and keep us, as always, when we are looking to Him as His children. That's all I wanted to bring across....just reminding us to stay in the spirit and see that we don't fall into the flesh and violate God's word in these things, and I need the reminder as much as anyone lately. I really do not know why you would concern yourself with others crossing the line into speaking evil of dignities. Is not that between them and God? I would think you would concern yourself with not doing things the Lord tells you personally not to do.
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Post by John on May 10, 2020 18:51:22 GMT -5
Okay guys...I guess we will find out soon if we are being led by the Spirit in this or not. If they come up with a forced vaccine that comes with nefarious things like invisible electronic tattoos and gene altering nano particles, then okay. I would not need to ask the Lord in that case. Seriously, this was not an attack on anyone and I hope we will just try to hear what the Spirit is saying because it’s worth hearing. Calling for a biblical Christlike response to the world and its present circumstances because we all need reminding of it now more than ever and going forward in these times. I guess it seems contrary to logic though, and that’s what can trip us up, so I will just leave it at that. I can bear witness to the Lord's faithful leading and guiding in my life with regard to vaccines and flus, and that He spoke a promise to me about this virus the end of March in almost the same breath that He was promising to bring my son home safely from where he was stranded in a third world country when they were cancelling flights all over the globe. Only the Lord got him home by a miracle...our government here did not do what they were telling us all over the airwaves from coast to coast that they were doing, so no dont' trust governments, that for sure. They even shut down the Canadian Embassy there, lol...thought emergencies were pretty much what embassies existed for. But we can trust the Lord to keep His promises....so just to say I'm not afraid of this virus or trying to justify taking a vaccine out of fear. The Lord is my Shepherd and He will lead and guide me, and will do the same for all who are looking to Him. Yes, we need to be following God's leading. We have the Holy Bible, and we have the Holy Spirit as our guide. They will always be in unity, and if we follow the Lord, everything will be alright.
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Post by Giller on May 10, 2020 19:47:06 GMT -5
Hi watchful , in this post I will not deal with the verse that talks about the affairs of this world, will mainly focus on dignities, Satan and evil spirits. 2Pe 2:10-11 (10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. (11) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. Jud 1:8-10 (8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (10) But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Now first let us deal with the verses in the book of Jude: First we see it mentions these filthy dreamers. Who are these filthy dreamers? Jud 1:4 (4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. These men had crept into the church, and were bringing in damnable heresies. And these false teachers are these filthy dreamers. These filthy dreamers, despised dominion (government), and spoke evil of dignities. Now what are dignities? Here is a comment form Jamieson Fausset Brown: (Jamieson Fausset Brown)(...dignities — literally, “glories.” Earthly and heavenly dignities....)
Through counsel with a few people, and meditating on it myself, it seems more and more to me to refer to earthly governments, and evil spirits, and I will get more into this when we deal with the book of Peter.
Jud 1:8-10 (8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (10) But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. So we see that it then goes to verse 9, which speaks of Michael the Archangel, contending with the devil, which he is the head evil spirit, and how that Michael durst not bring against him a railing accusation, notice the word "railing" !!!!!!! See concerning speaking evil of dignities, it is said more in the sense of a railing accusation, and not just simply a generally true accusation. But rather a railing one. Here is what the word railing means: (Webster's dictionary)(RAIL, v.i. [Eng. to brawl.] To utter reproaches; to scoff; to use insolent and reproachful language; to reproach or censure in opprobrious terms; followed by at or against, formerly by on.)It is saying things in a reproachful manner, in a vengeful manner, it can include cussing and swearing, and it seeks to say things in an harmful way, in a hateful way, in a wrongly motivated way.
But it has nothing to do with saying truthful things in a rightful way.
And I will give examples of this in the bible.
But first I want to mention the Peter verses.
2Pe 2:10-11 (10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. (11) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Notice in verse 10 it mentions about certain people who are not afraid to speak evil of dignities in plural, and then in verse 11 it speaks of how the angels (plural), not bringing any railing accusation against them, them is in plural form.
So the them, is obviously not referring to godly angels, for it says of the godly angels that they do not bring railing accusations against them, or against these others.
And I feel that these do refer to both evil spirits and governments.
And now to our examples of rightful accusations:
Here is an example of Jesus saying something concerning a ruler:
Luk 13:32 (32) And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Jesus was saying this about Herod, and he called him a fox, which the fox was an emblem of slyness, of cunning, and of artful mischief.
So he was calling him cunning and so on.
And then there is these verses:
1Ki 22:51-52 (51) Ahaziah the son of Ahab began to reign over Israel in Samaria the seventeenth year of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, and reigned two years over Israel. (52) And he did evil in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin:
1Ki 15:33-34 (33) In the third year of Asa king of Judah began Baasha the son of Ahijah to reign over all Israel in Tirzah, twenty and four years. (34) And he did evil in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the way of Jeroboam, and in his sin wherewith he made Israel to sin.
See the kings evil deeds were not hidden, and there are certain kings that you cannot call good kings, for you would be telling a lie if you said a bad king was a good king, so telling the truth in and of itself is not wrong.
Now you respect their office, but you be truthful about situations.
And then concerning Satan and evil spirits, well the word devil means false accuser, and also the devil is called the father of lies, serpent and so on, so he has a bunch of bad titles, which these titles are not wrong to say.
The key words are railing, railing, railing, accusations !!!!!!!
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