|
Post by Giller on Apr 9, 2020 12:18:27 GMT -5
Here is a message that I mentioned the other day to John and Naominash, during fellowship time.
It was sent to me from a friend of mine.
Of course I believe in the rapture, which you all know what view I hold to.
But in saying this, we are all called to go through persecution in one form or another, regardless to the coming rapture, as Christians, and that we always be ready for such.
It should not come as some surprise.
One thing my friend says, which is true, is that the church is the conscience of society.
And the message presented will be from Art Katz, which I do not know what all his beliefs are, but this message is really good, and will make you ponder a whole lot, especially on the true role of the church.
Let us give ourselves wholly to God's word.
And through out Art's message, he mentions this m word, which I figured out that he was saying the word martyrdom.
And he does mention that as Christians we do go through things.
He talks a lot about kingdom living.
I really feel to reiterate this scripture a lot:
Pro 4:20-22 (20) My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. (21) Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. (22) For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
And one thing Art mentions now and again is that righteousness exalteth a nation.
So now, here is his message, which is a really long message:
|
|
|
Post by John on Apr 9, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -5
This is something I may try to listen to on a long stretch down the road. It does look interesting, and Kingdom living today is something I am a believer in. I do not mean "Kingdom now" theology. This world will never be fully made right till Jesus returns, but we as Christians can and should be following Kingdom principles as close as possible now, since we are God's Ambassadors in this world.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on Apr 9, 2020 14:12:19 GMT -5
This is something I may try to listen to on a long stretch down the road. It does look interesting, and Kingdom living today is something I am a believer in. I do not mean "Kingdom now" theology. This world will never be fully made right till Jesus returns, but we as Christians can and should be following Kingdom principles as close as possible now, since we are God's Ambassadors in this world.
Yes I agree with you, and me also disagree with the kingdom now theology.
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Apr 9, 2020 17:28:32 GMT -5
BATTLE TIME .
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 1, 2020 21:35:15 GMT -5
Let us always be mindful of heaven and heavenly things, and God's mighty ways.
|
|
|
Post by John on May 5, 2020 18:16:17 GMT -5
I finally got time to listen to this message, and he makes a lot of good points. We should look at kingdom principles as applying to us today, not just in the by and by, and not something to look at as an ideal, but not something we should actually try to do.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 5, 2020 19:52:14 GMT -5
I finally got time to listen to this message, and he makes a lot of good points. We should look at kingdom principles as applying to us today, not just in the by and by, and not something to look at as an ideal, but not something we should actually try to do.
Ya I liked the fact that he seeks to get people to see what we have now, and to live in it now. And John, when you said:" not something we should actually try to do.", what were you meaning by this, just want to make sure.
|
|
|
Post by John on May 5, 2020 19:55:39 GMT -5
I finally got time to listen to this message, and he makes a lot of good points. We should look at kingdom principles as applying to us today, not just in the by and by, and not something to look at as an ideal, but not something we should actually try to do.
Ya I liked the fact that he seeks to get people to see what we have now, and to live in it now. And John, when you said:" not something we should actually try to do.", what were you meaning by this, just want to make sure. Sadly, there are a lot of professing Christians that think the Bible is full of ideals, but God does not really expect us to obey it's teachings. I felt like he was saying that we can and should live according to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles to the best of our ability today. It is like our expectations are that we cannot do it, and we just settle for that. God actually expects us to be obedient children and live by what the Bible says.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 5, 2020 19:56:41 GMT -5
Amen !!!
|
|
|
Post by 2fw8212a on May 6, 2020 10:48:47 GMT -5
Sadly, there are a lot of professing Christians that think the Bible is full of ideals, but God does not really expect us to obey it's teachings. I felt like he was saying that we can and should live according to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles to the best of our ability today. It is like our expectations are that we cannot do it, and we just settle for that. God actually expects us to be obedient children and live by what the Bible says.
I have even heard someone saying that God does not care about HOW you walk.
That is completely FALSE and DANGEROUS!
“Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” - Matthew 7:20
What kind of “Christian” will a teaching like that produce?
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won,
you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.” - Matthew 23:15
But what the Bible says:
“...those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works...” - Titus 3:8
“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.” - 2 Peter 1:9
|
|
|
Post by John on May 6, 2020 17:49:58 GMT -5
Sadly, there are a lot of professing Christians that think the Bible is full of ideals, but God does not really expect us to obey it's teachings. I felt like he was saying that we can and should live according to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles to the best of our ability today. It is like our expectations are that we cannot do it, and we just settle for that. God actually expects us to be obedient children and live by what the Bible says.
I have even heard someone saying that God does not care about HOW you walk.
That is completely FALSE and DANGEROUS!
“Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” - Matthew 7:20
What kind of “Christian” will a teaching like that produce?
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won,
you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.” - Matthew 23:15
But what the Bible says:
“...those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works...” - Titus 3:8
“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.” - 2 Peter 1:9 For not caring, God sure gives us a lot of instructions about how we should live. They really cannot believe the Bible, even if they claim that they do.
|
|
|
Post by Tabitha3319 on May 9, 2020 22:25:36 GMT -5
I'm trying really hard to be a Christian.
But I just can't keep it together.
I'll never be in the exclusive Holy club.
I know y'all are hiding the ice tea, the Kool aid, and the wine.
But that's okay.
I'll try again tomorrow.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 11, 2020 21:11:19 GMT -5
I'm trying really hard to be a Christian. But I just can't keep it together. I'll never be in the exclusive Holy club. I know y'all are hiding the ice tea, the Kool aid, and the wine. But that's okay. I'll try again tomorrow. There is no exclusive holy club sister, we are believers always in need of Jesus.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 14:24:39 GMT -5
Now we know that most governments in the world, and actually if not all of them, are not truly going by the ways of the Lord, and we know that it will wax worse and worse, and it has been prophesied.
But in saying that, there is a way that God wants for the church, and government to go by, and that is by the word of God.
Both are suppose that have their roles, the church is suppose to be in essence, the conscience of society, and the governments are suppose to lay down the laws of the land, and are suppose to go by the word of God.
I do not know how I would say it, but my friend says that the church is the conscience of society, and the government is the sword.
|
|
|
Post by Giller on May 12, 2020 18:26:45 GMT -5
Luk 14:33-35 (33) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. (34) Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? (35) It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
As the church we need to be a preserving influence, we need to maintain our witness, and show people the way of the Lord.
Rom 13:3-4 (3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: (4) For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Now governments are suppose to abide by God's laws as well, and implement things of that nature.
They lay the laws of the land, and there is consequences when you disobey the laws.
They are suppose to uphold the law of God, but many do not, or they do so, only some of them.
Many implement laws that are against the ways of God, which we need to stand for the word of God, and the church is truly the conscience of society, or at least it should be, that is in a good way, in a biblical way.
|
|