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Post by PG4Him on Jun 13, 2018 9:10:13 GMT -5
Jeremiah is valuable because it shows us a good, loving God making the case against His own beloved people for destruction. God's broken heart drips off every page. He gave them everything, but they abandoned Him. He tried and tried to talk sense into them, but they mocked Him. Judgment is not an impersonal entity punishing us for abstract sins. This is about a very present, personal God who is exasperated with watching people self-destruct.
As far as I'm concerned, these late prophets wrote some of the most moving, most exquisite words in all of writing. The shock, the urgency, the outrage, the bittersweet love. The unthinkable becoming an inescapable reality as God Himself looks on dismay. It's powerful. Christians who gloss over them because they're "too negative" are really missing out.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 13, 2018 14:08:00 GMT -5
Sister Candace it shows us this too . Their comes a point and a time When GOD even says , PRAY NOT for these people . He even says moses , Samuel , Were to intercede for them , I WOULD not hear it . This points to what JESUS said . THEN shall they begin to KNOCK and I will not open , they will cry and GOD will NOT HEAR. HE says YET in the time of their distress they call upon me . AND GOD says GO On now PRAY to ye idols and see IF THEY can deliver you. The entire point of this , IS that a time is coming WHEN ITS TOO LATE PEROID. JESUS is not always going to be in heaven making intercession for us . HE ACTUALLY WILL BECOME the WRATH OF GOD and at that time , ITS TOO LATE . IT IS TOO LATE . IT IS TOO late . GOd warned them seven churches , REPENT OR ELSE , I will come on you as a THIEF , I will remove your lampstand , I WILL FIGHT against you with the SWORD of my mouth. FOLKS don't know , GOD cannot deny himself , HE WILL Destroy all the wicked one day . IF one rejects JESUS its game over . If one comes and falls away . ITS game over . GOD did not send the SON , so these preaches today , could say ALAS we muslim , WE buddist, we all inclusive . THEY don't realize . HOW INCREDIBLY FURIOUS with GREAT FURY this makes GOD . THEY are trampling JESUS right under foot , RIGHT UNDER FOOT making HIS sacrifice a living Joke . And yes , it burns at my heart big time , when I see this utter abomination being done , AND WORSE by churches . BY SO CALLED christains . Well that all inclusive sin accepting world peace gospel , I WILL FIGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL , no matter what it costs me , no matter how I am seen. THE MESSAGE IS , NO OTHER MINDSET , religion , no other name can save BUT JESUS , and HE aint no minister of SIN . And folks this message in time will get some of us , wait, LOTS OF US , KILLED . cause an all inclusive society and religion , WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS in time to come . CLING TO JESUS and preach ONLY HE SAVES and HE aint no minister of sin .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 14:29:04 GMT -5
We must not set aside any of the word, lest we do murder to the character of God. It is all needful and must be taken together, just as it in the scripture, otherwise it presents a skewed picture of the Lord, and His intentions and purposes. In the midst of judgments the Lord never takes away hope. I have heard from Him a few things about judgment, which is already in progress, and even recently one was a dream about Jeremiah 51, and these two scriptures that spoke to it in particular:
Jer 51:24-25 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD. Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.
Jer 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, AND THE TIME OF HER HARVEST SHALL COME.
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Post by Cletus on Jun 20, 2018 23:16:17 GMT -5
word round the camp fire for over a decade has been repent, return to me, etc. its not like He has not given time or chances.... just like in Jeremiahs day. When i first started going to a church it was a word of faith prosperity name it and claim it feel good church. once i realized i was not getting blessed like they said from tithing, i just wasnt prospering like they said there was only one logical conclusion. i had to try harder to have faith or be good enough. then i learned that prosperity was not external, but inwardly. I realized it was all fake. people dont want to sit and listen to doom is coming. they dont want to pay a tithe to hear that. that message wont make any money. that message cant afford preachers nice houses and nice suits. cars and boats. back in the 90's when the economy was doing good and anyone could have three jobs and gas was a dollar a gallon, everything was cheap, i was delivering some furniture for this little old lady. the address was in the hood. we got there and the lady was not there. so we waited. the place was an old church. it was not in the phone book. it was seriously run down. about to fall apart. when the lady got there we got to talking about the church and asked who the preacher was. she said there has never been a preacher here and God told her to build it. i was kind of confused. she said God gave her a vision years back that people were going to be starving in america. brothers fighting in the street for a biscuit. beating each other to death for a piece of bread. She said God told her to build this church so when this happens people would have a place to go eat. I dont know this woman, she may be certified nuts for all i know. but shortly after that the economy nose dived, and all this bad stuff started happening. since then tens of thousands of islamists have come into this country. set up compounds. based on this nations track record with morality i would not be surprised one bit if every type of judgment in the bible comes to pass in this nation. oh yeah, read psalms 37:19. thats a scripture That is circled in my bible. around the time the lady told me about famine i was reading and when i read this scripture It stuck out to me as if God was saying it to me directly. I think psalm 37 is a good read.
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Post by Sister on Jun 22, 2018 22:48:28 GMT -5
What a great Psalm Cletus. These verses have also comforted me many a time.
Psalms 37:1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
Psalms 37:2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
Psalms 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psalms 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Psalms 37:5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
Psalms 37:6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Psalms 37:8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Psalms 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
Psalms 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psalms 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Psalms 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
Psalms 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
Psalms 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
Psalms 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
Psalms 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psalms 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Psalms 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
Psalms 37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psalms 37:24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalms 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
Psalms 37:26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
Psalms 37:27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
Psalms 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psalms 37:32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
Psalms 37:33 The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
Psalms 37:34 Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
Psalms 37:35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
Psalms 37:36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
Psalms 37:37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
Psalms 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
Psalms 37:40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
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Post by Sister on Jun 23, 2018 1:53:52 GMT -5
Yes we need to re-read the book of Jeremiah. Tons of prophesy.
Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
The remnants are not many
Jeremiah 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
When? Not now
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Reign over who?
Jeremiah 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
As they do now…..
Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and *all* the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
At what time?......when?......
Jeremiah 3:18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
The north is the land of darkness. Spiritually speaking. The land of pure wickedness and every evil abomination. The east is where the light comes from (heaven), and the west where the sun sets when the light fades out into darkness.
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Jeremiah 3:19 But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Jeremiah 3:20 Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.
Don’t forget he is speaking to the remnants who cannot be the elite 144K who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.
Jeremiah 3:21 A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God.
Could this be a spiritual parallel also?
Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Jeremiah 3:22 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
Jeremiah 3:23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.
Jeremiah 3:24 For shame hath devoured the labour of our fathers from our youth; their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters.
Jeremiah 3:25 We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God.
So are they going to be the 144K firstfruits?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 6:50:24 GMT -5
Just some thoughts here Sister.....we can't seem to get away from the fact that there will be survivors of the wrath of the Lamb who will live into the millennium, from what I can see....in scripture the Lord never seems to make a "full end" when He judges. (why there were giants on the earth both before and after the flood). The survivors will be ashamed at His coming and repent then...where it says both Israel and the nations will mourn for Him and wail (Rev. 1:7, Zech. 12:10). The Lord will be merciful to those survivors and rule over them and teach them His ways during the millienium, but they will not be part of the Bride/New Jerusalem.
I know you see this part differently, but I believe the 144,000 is a symbolic number representing all those who knew and followed the Lamb before the wrath (all the saints of heavenly Zion from the beginning of time) and are raptured and who return with Him on the Mount of Olives as the Bride and New Jerusalem. The church is made up of tribes, spiritually speaking, as natural Israel was/is a type and shadow of the church and heavenly Zion/New Jerusalem. The twelve apostles will be at the head of those "tribes" of New Jerusalem (the 144,000)...as Jesus said to them at the last supper in Matthew 19:20 and Luke 22:30. Following the Lamb wherever He goes...was shown in type and shadow by the tribes of Israel following the cloud/pillar in the wilderness wherever it went...the "church in the wilderness". And the twelve apostles literally followed the Lamb everywhere He went, when He was on earth. And all who belong to His church and follow Jesus now, taking up their cross etc.
In Isaiah 14 Lucifer exalting himself above the stars of God and sitting in the MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION and sides of the north...refers to the Temple (temple mount). I believe it is a prophecy of the Antichrist. (It could also be prophesying at the same time in a spiritual sense of antichrist in the church, since the church is the temple of God in the spiritual sense.)
Anyway, that's what I have to offer here with these things...see what you think.
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Post by Sister on Jun 23, 2018 9:06:21 GMT -5
Just some thoughts here Sister.....we can't seem to get away from the fact that there will be survivors of the wrath of the Lamb who will live into the millennium, from what I can see....in scripture the Lord never seems to make a "full end" when He judges. (why there were giants on the earth both before and after the flood). The survivors will be ashamed at His coming and repent then...where it says both Israel and the nations will mourn for Him and wail (Rev. 1:7, Zech. 12:10). The Lord will be merciful to those survivors and rule over them and teach them His ways during the millienium, but they will not be part of the Bride/New Jerusalem. Yes, I am glad you can see that there will be survivors who will live into the millennium which consist of the gentiles (nations), and the remnants of Israel who will be brought into the kingdom's boundaries to dwell. Israel will be taught truth, and in turn will teach the nations. All of these remnants of the Gentiles and Israel that were not part of the first resurrection, will be married to the city after the thousand years. The city is the bride and is "the highlight" of it all, for it is a land of righteousness because of her laws (because the Word of God is there). The saints who took part in the first resurrection are wearing "the righteousness" of that city (converted to her/becoming one with that city) That city will be "adorned" by the righteousness of the saints, the clean white robes they are wearing. I am not sure why you think that the number is symbolic?, for I see them as "chosen" from the beginning to be receivers of the full truth in the end times, finishing as those having the testimony of Jesus, being witnesses to "the Word of God", ...in saying that I mean.... "the Word of God" has stood the test of time, ...the truth/one and only true doctrine, which was delivered in the beginning, survived even unto the end, proving the Lamb faithful when he said he would feed his sheep, and my sheep know my voice, and the voice of a stranger they will not follow. These 144K who were already chosen at the beginning, are only "sealed" at the end to separate them from the many that have not come out of Babylon completely. They are "alive" at the time of the sealing, just before the wrath of God, and are of the last generation of saints. It does not mean that there were saints before them that did not come out of Babylon, but these are the last of them living through the most evil of times, and found the truth through all that chaos and darkness, and through all the confusion and madness, and did not join those of the falling away. They have made their election and calling sure by repenting and following the Word where so ever he goes (obeying, feeding, learning, living). They are only a small group. A little flock. "Redeemed" from amongst men. Hearts converted fully, and I feel they would be hated by all men because they have a doctrine that seems strange to most, and this is that song they know, that no man knows, but only them. Watchful, they have not taken the broad way, but stuck to the narrow. ...And I cannot stress enough that we are not to make ourselves of this number, but to take the lower seat, prepared to go all through which is required of us, just like Abraham was prepared to kill his son because the Lord commanded him, but in the end, the Lord delivered this from happening, because it was just a test of faith, and the Lord God does not require child sacrifices, but our own sacrifices of the heart, and our own sacrifice of our lives for the Word's sake, even if it means a physical death. In the kingdom, there is order. The 12 apostles who are our foundations will definitely be on top, ....and there are the 24 elders in heaven also, which I think make up half of the 12 apostles, and the other half disciples, eg, Paul, Stephen and whoever else the Lord used.....and they will be in charge of the 144k, who will be in charge of the rest of saints, who will be in charge of Israel, who will be in charge of the nations remnants. That order. The church does not follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes, because the infiltrator has meddled with the true doctrine, preventing the sheep from finding it. The true church is the one set up by Christ and the apostles, and those who follow their teachings, and are hated by the world. The church today, is still in Babylon, and many don't understand this, what it means, despite the Lord calling us all to come out of her (Rev 18:4) I don't want to offend anyone, but it is something that really must be stressed, for many today are serving two masters. Cannot serve both or else we will love one and hate the other. Can not have one foot in Zion, and the other in Babylon. If we are found in Babylon at the time of the sealing of the 144K, ....then we will share in Babylon's plagues. It is clear. Only the 144K, will not receive the plagues, because there are only 144K "sealed", and no more or less. Even if we do not take the mark of the beast, and we are not one of the "sealed ones", we will still receive the plagues, if we live long enough, and be refined by going through the fire. Why? Because God is not happy that his saints have trodden on his Word, his truth, and his chosen ones, and these are chastised also, but mercy is still given because the shepherds led them astray, or Babylon's hold was too strong, too deceiving. Some will be shown more mercy than others, and the real stubborn proud ones, will have it worse. I say this to warn because it is coming, and if it happens to anyone of us, do not give up, but keep enduring until the end, for the Lord is only doing this to refine us and make our robes clean, to give us one more chance because our faith is going to be tested to the max because of our shortfalls,.... but not all will make it this far. I am sure this is not something that you have heard. We must come out of Babylon now...before it's too late. This is when Christ comes as a thief, when we are not expecting him. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 9:23:17 GMT -5
I am not sure why you think that the number is symbolic?, for I see them as "chosen" from the beginning to be receivers of the full truth in the end times, finishing as those having the testimony of Jesus, being witnesses to "the Word of God"
Bless you Sister...I didn't want to get into an argument about the 144,000, so I'll just say this and then leave it with you and get on to the rest. Please dont think I disagree with everything you bring, but i believe some things still need tweeking, as with all of us, and very much including myself. Okay, to answer your question here...for one thing because He speaks to us in parables...and for another thing the bible interprets itself and there are clues in Rev. 21....one clue is that N.J. is foursquare. Also that there is only one rapture of the saints spoken of and alluded to in the bible that I know of. Who comes down from heaven with Him at His return when He stands on the mount of Olives? It is New Jerusalem coming down from heaven prepared as a Bride...so shall we forever be with the Lord, He with us and we with Him....where you mentioned elsewhere that the 144,000 will be with Him on the Mount of Olives....i believe that N.J and 144000 are one and the same.
Zec 14:4-8
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; (New Jerusalem/Bride) half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Watchful, they have not taken the broad way, but stuck to the narrow.
Agree...except that this is true of all who follow Jesus, the Lamb...His whole church, all His followers who will be counted worthy of the first resurrection. The "Lamb" is alluding to His sacrifice, those who deny themselves and their own will to take up their cross and follow Him..and like Jesus are as lambs led to the slaughter.
The church does not follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes, because the infiltrator has meddled with the true doctrine, preventing the sheep from finding it. The true church is the one set up by Christ and the apostles, and those who follow their teachings, and are hated by the world. The church today, is still in Babylon, and many don't understand this, what it means, despite the Lord calling us all to come out of her (Rev 18:4)
Yes, I agree, and I'm talking about those who DO follow Jesus, or who will repent and begin to follow Him before His return. The gates of hell will not prevail against His true church.
I don't want to offend anyone, but it is something that really must be stressed, for many today are serving two masters. Cannot serve both or else we will love one and hate the other. Can not have one foot in Zion, and the other in Babylon.
Agree completely...and it should offend nobody who is following Christ....and this is WHY the Lord in His mercy is about to shake Babylon, to free more souls from her....the fall of Babylon and all its idols is for the purpose of harvesting souls out of her. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken, so that only what cannot be shaken will remain.
Jer 51:33
For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.
The temple was built on a threshing floor, think on that....like apostate Jerusalem before her, the church (temple) is called Babylon, Egypt and Sodom in her apostate condition. The Lord is going to thresh Babylon (world and apostate church) and it will "give up her dead".
Zec 4:7-10
Who art thou, O great mountain? (burning mountain of Babylon… Jer. 51) before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
The hands of Zerubbabel (figure of Christ) have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
For who hath despised the day of small things? (small beginnings - deposit of the Spirit) for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Dan 2:34-35
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Rev 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Praise the Lord for I believe He is giving us some light here, as to how it will all happen! I didn't see that before now...how Daniel 2 and Rev. 11 are connected to Zech 4...glory to Jesus.
Some will be shown more mercy than others, and the real stubborn proud ones, will have it worse. I say this to warn because it is coming, and if it happens to anyone of us, do not give up, but keep enduring until the end, for the Lord is only doing this to refine us and make our robes clean, to give us one more chance because our faith is going to be tested to the max because of our shortfalls,.... but not all will make it this far. I am sure this is not something that you have heard.
Agree. There are lessons in the story of Lot/Sodom about potential pitfalls. For one thing we are not to be like Lot's wife, who in turning and seeing and hearing the destruction of Sodom/Egypt/Babylon, was filled with smug self-satisfaction at her deliverance. Like the Pharisee who thanked God that he was not like that sinner. We are not to be of the spirit of the Edomites in the book of Obadiah:
Oba 1:3
The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
Oba 1:11-14
In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
We are not to think we are safe from the judgment and chastisements of the Lord just because we are blessed enough to dwell in the cleft of the rock. We are not to deliver up the erring church (Babylon) to the Lord in our hearts (condemning), but rather have a heart of intercession for them.
The purpose of the Lord in His wisdom having brought a remnant out into the wilderness to escape Sodom/Egypt/Babylon/church before its destruction, was so that we could go back and help those who are escaping it in the time of their trouble....Moses being a perfect example of that. It is not so that we could stand watching her destruction and be filled with pride against her, but so that we would have a heart of compassion and humility and pay the price (persecution) to go and reap the harvest that will come out of her...pointing the way back to Zion, when all her false gods (idols..mammon, etc) lie shattered on the ground. Moses was sent back to Egypt to help navigate the children of Israel through the very same wilderness that he himself had come to know so well by then, the place where he died to himself. I'm not saying that all will escape the erring church, and the world, but that many will and for those who will, we need to be prepared and ready to humbly serve. I believe a great end time harvest is coming.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Amen...and who stands and will stand before Him? It is the two candlesticks, His true church, made up of Jew and Gentile, both natural and unnatural branches...the two witnesses...just another piece of the puzzle about that.
Zec 4:11-14
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 24, 2018 9:31:43 GMT -5
I am not sure why you think that the number is symbolic? 144000 / 12 = 12000. Which seems to represent the people from the 12 tribes of Israel. But why 12000 and not 12?! "A little one shall become a thousand, And a small one a strong nation. I, the Lord, will hasten it in its time." - Isaiah 60:22
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 9:42:34 GMT -5
Amen brother \o/ ....we had to know the reason would be in scripture somewhere!
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 24, 2018 9:54:07 GMT -5
Amen brother \o/ ....we had to know the reason would be in scripture somewhere! Then, glory to God... \o/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 10:00:59 GMT -5
Amen brother, He is so good to light the way before us....praise His name!
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Post by frienduff on Jun 24, 2018 10:33:23 GMT -5
Just reading this now. Jeremiah 23 is like an antithesis to psalm 23. It is so sad to see the Lord constantly remonstrating with a people that are adepts at following by lip-service but not from the heart. I see the Lord as a Father deeply concerned over his children that He does not want to totally forget about but at the same time, provide justice, encouragement and chastisement. He is adamant that in the future He will use Israel and and Judah combined to bring all the nations back to Him. The great regathering that is a part of Yeshua's Earthly Mission. I began reading from the 'front of the book' in order to better understand the 'back of the book'. A very necessary endeavor and I highly recommend it. Just be on guard . BIG TIME . For the son of perdtion will try this BY HIS PEACE FIRST . OH YES , he will do this very thing as well. THEFORE if men or any man stands in jerusalme OR the world and the focus is world peace and unity < FLEE THEM FAST . Jersualem will once again be made the center of the end time peace . BUT WOE and be on guard , for anti Christ will be the one at work to gather the world as one . both jews and gentiles will believe he is the hope of mankind . BUT its all a snare . BE ON GAURD. for their will be NO PEACE , TILL AFTER JESUS has returned . AND at HIS COMING the true believers will be caught up , as He lays down the wrath . SO be on guard . BE ON GAURD , BE ON GAURD . for another spirit is at work to allure all into a beatng down of swords into plowshares . ITS a false one and it does this to only get the world to gather as one , UNTO the very beast which will be given all authority .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -5
Amen frienduff...and what is our weapon....the true gospel. It's going to be a big battle between the false and the true in the end.
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