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Post by Giller on May 17, 2020 15:16:06 GMT -5
2Th 2:1-4 (1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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Post by 777 on May 18, 2020 7:05:47 GMT -5
Unless you believe that the things mentioned in Revelation already occurred, meaning the tribulation period itself, I don't know how you can say that the Anti-Christ may have been revealed in the past? The only part of Revelation I see as having happened already is the things spoken to the 7 churches. We certainly have not seen the beast system yet. Keep Seeking God's Kingdom, never stop. I know there are some that believe the things spoken of in Revelation, including the beast system and mark of the beast, already occurred. Is that what you believe, and if so, when do you believe it happened?
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Post by frienduff on May 18, 2020 20:56:29 GMT -5
Keep Seeking God's Kingdom, never stop. I know there are some that believe the things spoken of in Revelation, including the beast system and mark of the beast, already occurred. Is that what you believe, and if so, when do you believe it happened? I Know i have heard many say the same claim . Only they have forgotten one thing . WITHOUT the mark of the beast , YA cant BUY OR SELL . that has not yet occured . BUT ITS ABOUT TOO . WE got the tech RIGHT NOW to turn this world into one giant beast serving take this and be able to remain buying and selling . And if one dont , THEY wont be able to buy and sell . ITS right in front of our faces . And yet more than ever most see it not . many gonna take it my friend . many . Let the lambs CLING TO THE KING TO THE END , and the cost will be the cost .
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Post by Giller on May 18, 2020 21:42:48 GMT -5
I know there are some that believe the things spoken of in Revelation, including the beast system and mark of the beast, already occurred. Is that what you believe, and if so, when do you believe it happened? I Know i have heard many say the same claim . Only they have forgotten one thing . WITHOUT the mark of the beast , YA cant BUY OR SELL . that has not yet occured . BUT ITS ABOUT TOO . WE got the tech RIGHT NOW to turn this world into one giant beast serving take this and be able to remain buying and selling . And if one dont , THEY wont be able to buy and sell . ITS right in front of our faces . And yet more than ever most see it not . many gonna take it my friend . many . Let the lambs CLING TO THE KING TO THE END , and the cost will be the cost . Ya I have heard people say such claims as well, and many will equate it to the time of either Antiochus Epiphanes, or A.D. 70. But here is something for them to ponder upon: Rev 13:15-17 (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or t he name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 (18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Now notice it talks of the second beast (Revelation 13:11), which is the false prophet, how that he will have power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image should speak. A speaking image, and who knows if this will be done supernaturally or if it will be some type of hologram, but I do not recall any such thing happening in history, nor via A.D. 70 or the time of Epiphanes. And I agree with Frienduff that the mark to were one may not buy or sell has also not taken place. And 666 points to the number of "a" man (singular), so it does point to an individual man, or to a specific person. But also here is another thing to consider: Rev 19:20 (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. If you read Revelation 19:11-21, it is talking about the second coming, and this beast, and false prophet shall be cast alive in the lake of fire, but at what time? Well during the time of Christ's second coming, and it is very obvious that the second coming has not yet taken place. So they who equate these specific events to A.D. 70, or the time of Antiochus, are preaching error.
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Post by John on May 19, 2020 4:58:19 GMT -5
I Know i have heard many say the same claim . Only they have forgotten one thing . WITHOUT the mark of the beast , YA cant BUY OR SELL . that has not yet occured . BUT ITS ABOUT TOO . WE got the tech RIGHT NOW to turn this world into one giant beast serving take this and be able to remain buying and selling . And if one dont , THEY wont be able to buy and sell . ITS right in front of our faces . And yet more than ever most see it not . many gonna take it my friend . many . Let the lambs CLING TO THE KING TO THE END , and the cost will be the cost . Ya I have heard people say such claims as well, and many will equate it to the time of either Antiochus Epiphanes, or A.D. 70. But here is something for them to ponder upon: Rev 13:15-17 (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or t he name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 (18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Now notice it talks of the second beast (Revelation 13:11), which is the false prophet, how that he will have power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image should speak. A speaking image, and who knows if this will be done supernaturally or if it will be some type of hologram, but I do not recall any such thing happening in history, nor via A.D. 70 or the time of Epiphanes. And I agree with Frienduff that the mark to were one may not buy or sell has also not taken place. And 666 points to the number of "a" man (singular), so it does point to an individual man, or to a specific person. But also here is another thing to consider: Rev 19:20 (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. If you read Revelation 19:11-21, it is talking about the second coming, and this beast, and false prophet shall be cast alive in the lake of fire, but at what time? Well during the time of Christ's second coming, and it is very obvious that the second coming has not yet taken place. So they who equate these specific events to A.D. 70, or the time of Antiochus, are preaching error. I agree that they are in error, and this is not something to look at as a minor thing. I believe that there is an attempt to downplay end time events so we will be more receptive to taking the mark of the beast and going along with things. Beware of these false doctrines.
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Post by 777 on May 19, 2020 6:49:27 GMT -5
I Know i have heard many say the same claim . Only they have forgotten one thing . WITHOUT the mark of the beast , YA cant BUY OR SELL . that has not yet occured . BUT ITS ABOUT TOO . WE got the tech RIGHT NOW to turn this world into one giant beast serving take this and be able to remain buying and selling . And if one dont , THEY wont be able to buy and sell . ITS right in front of our faces . And yet more than ever most see it not . many gonna take it my friend . many . Let the lambs CLING TO THE KING TO THE END , and the cost will be the cost . Ya I have heard people say such claims as well, and many will equate it to the time of either Antiochus Epiphanes, or A.D. 70. But here is something for them to ponder upon: Rev 13:15-17 (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or t he name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 (18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Now notice it talks of the second beast (Revelation 13:11), which is the false prophet, how that he will have power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image should speak. A speaking image, and who knows if this will be done supernaturally or if it will be some type of hologram, but I do not recall any such thing happening in history, nor via A.D. 70 or the time of Epiphanes. And I agree with Frienduff that the mark to were one may not buy or sell has also not taken place. And 666 points to the number of "a" man (singular), so it does point to an individual man, or to a specific person. But also here is another thing to consider: Rev 19:20 (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. If you read Revelation 19:11-21, it is talking about the second coming, and this beast, and false prophet shall be cast alive in the lake of fire, but at what time? Well during the time of Christ's second coming, and it is very obvious that the second coming has not yet taken place. So they who equate these specific events to A.D. 70, or the time of Antiochus, are preaching error. I agree that it is error, and the technology didn't exist to pull those things off back then, but they do today. In addition, we still are looking for Jesus to return.
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