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Post by John on May 26, 2020 8:06:15 GMT -5
OK. Just to make things clear, sister watchful is not saying we should agree with Satan, but with Jesus.
“For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son,
much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.” - Romans 5:10
Blessings! Bless you Letters....there is a mystery in that passage, like in how the Lord works in mysterious ways, so we have to dig deep. No there is not. We do not come into agreement with the devil.
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Post by John on May 26, 2020 8:08:17 GMT -5
I'm talking about this passage: Mat 5:25 “Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. OK. Just to make things clear, sister watchful is not saying we should agree with Satan, but with Jesus.
“For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son,
much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.” - Romans 5:10
Blessings! Jesus is not our adversary. She had to mean the devil.
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 8:10:15 GMT -5
an argument you may encounter with this statement is that "if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" this too is not someone else's words but an answer directly from The Book. We need to be very careful these days with discussions on sin because the wolves are many. and they do pervert grace, repentance, confession, and even the Who of Jesus. They do indeed preach another gospel and they want to make you look bad and discredit your words as so they may remain in their tradition. I have fellow-shipped with elders who are already picking out their grave site and making end of life plans. they have told me that God still shows them things they have been doing their whole life that is sin, and then they had to stop doing it. these men have a strong walk and for you to try to point to something in their life that is sin... well, finding a needle in a haystack would be an easier task. so these men did all along have sin, but until The Lord revealed the thing to them they did not know. yes yes, we can claim its no long I who sins, but sin in me, and that I have reckoned myself dead to sin... but the natural man cannot understand this. what they really need to know is that Christ did die to pay for my sins, and Christians do still sin, but if we judge our own actions, confess it, and repent then God will forgive us and restore us. its also important to point out that there is a difference between an occasional sin, unknowingly sinning, and out right blatant and deliberate (and lets take a closer look at that word... de-LIBERATE) openly sinning as in a continuous lifestyle of sin. Once The Holy Spirit shows us something is sin... no more... Because now we know better. once we know better it does count against us. its not others we need to convince with words we live holy by conversation... they need to be convinced by how we live(zao) their mouth needs to be unable to speak to blame us and then they will see we do indeed have something most in the world do not. then they will see the blessings upon our lives, and how many they are. I also believe we should not be concerned as much with what others think... but more so is this right before The LORD. The true Christian does not live in a lifestyle of sin, where they have no regard for God or His standards. They may come up short, but not because they are not trying, but because they still live in this fleshly body. The Bible is clear that there are sins done willfully and there are sins done in error. There are those who sin presumptuously and those who simply mess up. A true Christian may sin, but they do not continue in it, and when they are aware of it, they confess it and seek to turn from it, repentance.
For indeed the true christain HAS the SPIRIT . It knows and wears and loves and does , THE THINGS that JESUS SAID and the apostles reminded . WHEN it hears LET inquity NOT be once named among you , IT MAKES NO EXCUSE to try and justify or pander sins . NOPE . It hears that and embraces it . AS IT DOES EVERY WORD OF THE LORD . And if it errs a great conviction , a grievious soul willl it have , it will have no peace , TILL IT DOES REPENT . THE WORK OF GOD IS BEAUTIFUL FOR INDEED HE DOES GIVE THE SPIRIT to all WHO are IN CHRIST JESUS . And that SPIRIT is our GUIDE , IT IS the ONE WHO leads us INTO ALL TRUTH , all reminders of what OUR KING DID SAY . FOR THE SPIRIT ITSELF IS TRUTH and the revealer of TRUTH . Let the lambs bellow out praises to the KING and unto HE LET US SING , SINGING GLORY GLORY GLORY to the RISEN KING , Seated at the RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER . SINGING GLORY GLORY to GOD the FATHER of OUR LORD AND SAVOIR CHRIST . we are naught , but wee things who ought to continously thank GOD for his mercy given us IN CHRIST . SEE THE LORD as in the all in all . PRAISE BE TO THE LORD . I say again PRAISE BE TO THE LORD . And those who are SPIRITUAL , THEY WOULD Truly restore any who errs and do it fast THE SPIRIT does work within the true lambs . AND if we have the SPIRIT we are HIS and if we have the SPIRIT then the LOVE FOR EVERY SINGLE DOT of ANY WORD JESUS EVER SAID ALL SOUND DOCTRINE , all things the apostels taught , WOULD Be LOVED . FOR THE SPIRIT PUTS THE LOVE OF TRUTH , OF RIGTHEOUS LIVING , OF HOLINESS AND ALL THAT IS PLEASING AND ACCEPTABLE UNTO GOD ON OUR HEARTS . BATTLE TIME , for many decievers have entered into many places and choose to preach mens precepts and folllow hermes , not the spirit and follow acroynms and NOT JESUS . WE in a war , and its time to flood the entire place and all places with continous reminders of all things JESUS SAID , the apostles said , THAT GOD SAID . forward march .
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 8:12:27 GMT -5
Bless you Letters....there is a mystery in that passage, like in how the Lord works in mysterious ways, so we have to dig deep. No there is not. We do not come into agreement with the devil. Amen we dont . We simply never justify ourself , or see ourselves as righteous by our own means . and if we do err , we confess and repent .
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 8:13:29 GMT -5
DID JESUS ever agree with satan . NO HE DID NOT . i know what sister is trying to say . but i wish she would not say we agree with the devil . I KNOW she dont mean that like letters said . and she agreed with . But it ought not be said at all . She can say things without saying that .
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Post by John on May 26, 2020 8:15:06 GMT -5
Bless you Letters, I'll try to share some insights on that. If we look at the account of Job in the bible....he was a righteous man, like we as believers have been made the righteousness of Christ and we walk righteously....and for this reason the Adversary will accuse us before the Father, who grants the devil his will to sift us as wheat....we experience trials and tribs, chastisements for the proving of our faith. In the loss of everything, Job did not curse God...however he had been trying to justify himself all through instead of agreeing with the Adversary ....notice it says that he was righteous in his own eyes instead of realizing his lack, so he got turned over to the Judge and the official to be tormented, and as it turns out, even though 'righteous', it was finally revealed to Job that there had actually still been something wanting....and the Lord mercifully and graciously met with him in that place of repentance. So this is not just about cleaning up and ceasing from outward sins, and great, we need to do that, that is foundational......but the lesson for all of us is that we would not be righteous in our own eyes because after that we still have much more to go than we may realize in growing and maturing in holiness. So basically , if we are found in error , NEVER JUSTIFY that behavoir , never also see ones self as some great thing . The good we do is BY the SPIRIT . Any time we are convicted by the Spirit of a wrong we must repent of it . that and we must never see ourselves as some great thing . We must simply see and understand that it is by grace . even as paul once said , I laboured more abundantely than them all , YET NOT I BUT THE GRACE OF GOD . If we are accused by others , we rail not back , the truth is , were it not for GOD , who even here would be walking righteously by the SPIRIT . SO we must see ourselves as naught , YET BE THANKING GOD CONTINOUSLY . And be always fast to correct any in error , pointing them RIGHT back to CHRIST and the walk of HOLINESS in HIM and BY HIM . WE must not see ourselves as RIGHTEOUS in our own eyes , BY OUR OWN MEANS . NOW THAT IS SPOT ON RIGHT . WE must KNOW and understand that it is HIS SPIRIT that does work in us ONLY WE BETTER HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh . But oh yes we must never see ourselves as righteous by our works , by our own means , OR WE IN DIRE TROUBLE . SEE the beauty that all who truly do beleive in JESUS have the SPIRIT and that it is ONLY because of this , We have even the desire and ability to do that which pleases GOD . ONLY again we better HEED the SPIRIT and beware the flesh . God said Job was righteous. The only wrongs Job did was say things in error during the attack of the devil. Until then, God declared Job righteous. We are not to agree with our adversary the devil.
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 8:20:11 GMT -5
So basically , if we are found in error , NEVER JUSTIFY that behavoir , never also see ones self as some great thing . The good we do is BY the SPIRIT . Any time we are convicted by the Spirit of a wrong we must repent of it . that and we must never see ourselves as some great thing . We must simply see and understand that it is by grace . even as paul once said , I laboured more abundantely than them all , YET NOT I BUT THE GRACE OF GOD . If we are accused by others , we rail not back , the truth is , were it not for GOD , who even here would be walking righteously by the SPIRIT . SO we must see ourselves as naught , YET BE THANKING GOD CONTINOUSLY . And be always fast to correct any in error , pointing them RIGHT back to CHRIST and the walk of HOLINESS in HIM and BY HIM . WE must not see ourselves as RIGHTEOUS in our own eyes , BY OUR OWN MEANS . NOW THAT IS SPOT ON RIGHT . WE must KNOW and understand that it is HIS SPIRIT that does work in us ONLY WE BETTER HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh . But oh yes we must never see ourselves as righteous by our works , by our own means , OR WE IN DIRE TROUBLE . SEE the beauty that all who truly do beleive in JESUS have the SPIRIT and that it is ONLY because of this , We have even the desire and ability to do that which pleases GOD . ONLY again we better HEED the SPIRIT and beware the flesh . God said Job was righteous. The only wrongs Job did was say things in error during the attack of the devil. Until then, God declared Job righteous. We are not to agree with our adversary the devil. I agree . What i just wrote was simple encouragment to us all . I was simply explaining the wonderous work of the SPIRIT that GOD does give the lambs .
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Post by watchful on May 26, 2020 9:20:51 GMT -5
Need to get our ears on for this:
Job 32:1-2 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
(Now wait a minute, who was persecuting Job…wasn’t it the devil..? or was it God? Wait, what? Dig deep my dear siblings in the Lord.)
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 26, 2020 9:33:57 GMT -5
OK. Just to make things clear, sister watchful is not saying we should agree with Satan, but with Jesus.
“For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son,
much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.” - Romans 5:10
Blessings! Jesus is not our adversary. She had to mean the devil. I meant that we all once were enemies of God. Just that.
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Post by John on May 26, 2020 9:57:47 GMT -5
Need to get our ears on for this: Job 32:1-2 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
(Now wait a minute, who was persecuting Job…wasn’t it the devil..? or was it God? Wait, what? Dig deep my dear siblings in the Lord.) Job's friends were rebuked by God for saying things that were in error. Why would we care that Job's 3 friends that were clueless got upset because Job did not accept their false accusations towards him? We are not taught to come into agreement with the devil.
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -5
Need to get our ears on for this: Job 32:1-2 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
(Now wait a minute, who was persecuting Job…wasn’t it the devil..? or was it God? Wait, what? Dig deep my dear siblings in the Lord.) GOD allowed the devil to persecute job . just as HE allows it against us too . ears are on sister . But whatever is allowed to come against us , GOD WILL WORK IT for the GOOD of those who love HIM . JOB repented . WHEN GOD spoke to JOB and exposed his error , JOB repented . ITS Like james once said , TRIBULATIONS work patience , LET patience have her perfect work . IT was satan persecuting job , but GOD ALLOWED IT . always there is a reason KNOWN TO GOD for why each one must suffer . And always if we have patience and endure it , IT WORKS to our own good . Job grew . oh BUT HE DID . HE GREW from all of it .
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 11:44:01 GMT -5
Need to get our ears on for this: Job 32:1-2 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
(Now wait a minute, who was persecuting Job…wasn’t it the devil..? or was it God? Wait, what? Dig deep my dear siblings in the Lord.) Job's friends were rebuked by God for saying things that were in error. Why would we care that Job's 3 friends that were clueless got upset because Job did not accept their false accusations towards him? We are not taught to come into agreement with the devil.
JOHN . DIG DEEP MY DEAR FRIEND . GOD ACTUALLY REBUKED JOB BIG TIME . A FAULT WAS FOUND IN JOB . GOD SENT A MAN TO EXPOSE IT . THEN EVEN GOD REBUKED JOB HIMSELF . JOBS FRIENDS SAW THE FAULT , BUT COULD PROVIDE NO SOLUTOIN ONLY ACCUSATION . THAT WAS WORSE . BUT THE OTHER MAN SAW IT AND HE GAVE THE SOLUTOIN . READ IT REAL SLOWLY WHEN THE OTHER MAN SHOWS UP . No i am not at all and in the least bit siding with watchful about the we agree with the devil . cause no we dont . but job did have a fault and was rebuked for it . but he repented of it . rest assured he repented of it .
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Post by frienduff on May 26, 2020 11:46:32 GMT -5
Jesus is not our adversary. She had to mean the devil. I meant that we all once were enemies of God. Just that.exactly letters . we were all ONCE OF THE DEVIL , but NO LONGER ARE . NO LONGER PEROID . we are new creatures in CHRIST . our old man and its ways Were of satan and thus we must never heed the flesh . the flesh is wherein the evil dwells . but in CHRIST JESUS , the GLORIOUS KING of kings , the maginficent LORD of lords , we are NO LONGER of the DEVIL and now have all we need IN CHRIST to crucfiy the flesh . let no man or woman ever say otherwise .
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Post by watchful on May 26, 2020 12:10:53 GMT -5
Need to get our ears on for this: Job 32:1-2 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
(Now wait a minute, who was persecuting Job…wasn’t it the devil..? or was it God? Wait, what? Dig deep my dear siblings in the Lord.) GOD allowed the devil to persecute job . just as HE allows it against us too . ears are on sister . But whatever is allowed to come against us , GOD WILL WORK IT for the GOOD of those who love HIM . JOB repented . WHEN GOD spoke to JOB and exposed his error , JOB repented . ITS Like james once said , TRIBULATIONS work patience , LET patience have her perfect work . IT was satan persecuting job , but GOD ALLOWED IT . always there is a reason KNOWN TO GOD for why each one must suffer . And always if we have patience and endure it , IT WORKS to our own good . Job grew . oh BUT HE DID . HE GREW from all of it . Not disagreeing at all with what you are saying here brother....all that is said in the New Testament has it's origins in the old Testament. But I think the specifics of what those scriptures show are being missed. Anyhow we really cannot know the depths of how merciful the Lord is until we truly come to know the depths of our unworthiness, which it was the mercy of God to show Job his, and then to show him the depths of His great mercy to forgive and cleanse. Job was a righteous believer, but he still needed to be sanctified. And this is a work of the Lord because we are His workmanship.
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Post by solid on May 26, 2020 14:27:26 GMT -5
Job's friends were rebuked by God for saying things that were in error. Why would we care that Job's 3 friends that were clueless got upset because Job did not accept their false accusations towards him? We are not taught to come into agreement with the devil.
JOHN . DIG DEEP MY DEAR FRIEND . GOD ACTUALLY REBUKED JOB BIG TIME . A FAULT WAS FOUND IN JOB . GOD SENT A MAN TO EXPOSE IT . THEN EVEN GOD REBUKED JOB HIMSELF . JOBS FRIENDS SAW THE FAULT , BUT COULD PROVIDE NO SOLUTOIN ONLY ACCUSATION . THAT WAS WORSE . BUT THE OTHER MAN SAW IT AND HE GAVE THE SOLUTOIN . READ IT REAL SLOWLY WHEN THE OTHER MAN SHOWS UP . No i am not at all and in the least bit siding with watchful about the we agree with the devil . cause no we dont . but job did have a fault and was rebuked for it . but he repented of it . rest assured he repented of it . Job sinned in things he said when being tested. His friends kept saying his sins were the cause of the attack, and that wasn't true. John is right about that. I think it is awful anyone says Jesus wants us to agree quickly with the devil. That's what she's saying, no mistaking that.
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