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Post by solid on May 27, 2020 7:41:18 GMT -5
Job sinned in things he said when being tested. His friends kept saying his sins were the cause of the attack, and that wasn't true. John is right about that. I think it is awful anyone says Jesus wants us to agree quickly with the devil. That's what she's saying, no mistaking that. correct . it was not sin at all that brought it on . but when he was tested he did mess it up . oh but praise the LORD , he sent another man and that man corrected job then GOD himself also corrected job and job repented . Who sent another man?
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Post by solid on May 27, 2020 7:45:02 GMT -5
Let me see if I understand you. You are saying that since Jesus said to agree with our adversaries quickly, and the devil is our adversary, we are to agree with him or come to an agreement with him when he accuses us, because chances are, the accusations are true, You are saying Job was too prideful to realize he was a rotten sinner that deserved the evil that came upon him, and if not for his pride, theses things wouldn't have happened to him. We should learn from Job. Is that close? I took her a lot like you did. You may have read a little more into it than I did, but she says you completely and utterly misrepresented her, so I would hope she will clarify things. If I wrote anything that was completely and utterly misrepresented, I would want to clear it up, not just tell the other person they took me wrong. I would want to show how.I wouldn't want to leave with everyone misunderstanding me. Why say you are misrepresented and then not explain how?
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 7:48:28 GMT -5
correct . it was not sin at all that brought it on . but when he was tested he did mess it up . oh but praise the LORD , he sent another man and that man corrected job then GOD himself also corrected job and job repented . We need to ask WHY did he mess it up? The scripture plainly says he was righteous in his own eyes, and interesting that nobody here realizes that there is a slight problem with that. Do we think it's a righteous thing to be righteous in our own eyes? Did not Paul say that he knew of no wrong in himself but that by no means meant he was acquitted..and that he judges not his own self? Looks like folks here haven't given any thought or asked the Lord about sanctification and the necessity of it... so I leave you by saying that there is a need to do so because time is growing short and God has given His word as a light unto our path. Sister , just please hear this . You are assuming that i do not know this already . but i do know this . i often used to speak of how i can do nothing apart from Christ . That i do know that anything i do know that is good and righteous COMES from GOD alone . That of myself i know nothing . That the only righteousness i have comes from GOD and the only knowledge of truly living Righteous comes from him . You must have forgotten this . What is going on right now , is you are making it harder to understand when you say certain things that while i know the point you are trying to make still there are some things that you should not say . an example is where you said we are of the devil , you meant THE OLD MAN , I KNOW you did . BUT still do not word it that way . Because in truth , we are no longer of satan peroid . we just trapped in flesh still . we still in bodies of flesh . and in that flesh is no good thing , evil is present . But we are no longer of the devil its just that we still in earthen contrary bodies . Thus we must by His grace resist the evil , die daily , cling to Christ , HEED the Spirit , crucify the flesh . And we have all we need FOR in Christ we have been given the helper , the comforter , the SPIRIT . we need to remind like this more . I knew you did not mean we are of the devil , but as i said , please dont say that . Remind like our old man was of the devil and we must never let it rise up , but keep it crucified by the Spirit , we must heed the SPIRIT , not the flesh . I truly hope that helps sister .
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 7:50:18 GMT -5
correct . it was not sin at all that brought it on . but when he was tested he did mess it up . oh but praise the LORD , he sent another man and that man corrected job then GOD himself also corrected job and job repented . Who sent another man? That is the beauty of it my friend . the who sent that other man , WAS GOD . Look and be reminded , it was i think around chapter thirty two . he was a younger man and God had sent Him and he expounded well unto JOB the things of GOD . then a bit farther on , GOD himself speaks DIRECTLY without man right to JOB . but oh yes , God sent that other man .
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:05:27 GMT -5
I want to take the time to review a few things about Job. First of all, is it true the Job was in sin, and this opened up the door for the devil's attacks on him? Before the attacks, and then after they began, here is what God says about Job.
Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in all the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:8
Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:3
There is false teaching going around that claims Job opened up the door for the attacks because he did not trust God fully, had fear, or had pride, and this led to the attacks. Not according to God. He calls Job a perfect and upright man that fears God and eschews evil. Even after the first wave of attacks, God says he was moved to destroy Job, "without cause." It is clear that Job did nothing to bring on the attacks. If he sinned, it was as a result of the attacks.
Job had 3 friends that heard of all the evil that happened to him. Their names were Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar. They come to visit Job, and all of them tell Job that he must have sinned, or these things would not have happened. They go so far as to suggest he did not even get punished enough for all his evil deeds, and they actually accuse him falsely. Job knows that was not true, so he says so. His friends do not believe him, because God would not do this to a man without cause. All 3 of Job's friends failed to convince Job he did something wrong to bring this upon him, so a 4th man by the name of Elihu jumps in and accuses Job. I do not see anything in this story that says God sent Elihu to him. He was just there, but was younger than they were, so his name had not been mentioned at the first.
It comes across to me like God just got fed up with all of them, because he seems to interrupt Elihu. In Job 38:1-2, God asks Job, "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" None of these men spoke for God or were sent by God or had the wisdom of God. What kind of things does God ask Job? It is about the creation. He is demanding answers about where were they when God created all things? They were all presumptuous in acting like they knew the mind of God. That is the only thing I see that Job did wrong. He acted like he knew all about God and the creation, things he had no idea about. He spoke out of turn, and confessed that sin to God. There is never any mention of pride. Notice what God says in Job 42:7
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job has.
He says that Job spoke "the thing that is right." Job's sin was speaking like he knew the mind of God, when in reality, he did not. He did nothing to bring chastisement on him. That was the devil trying to prove he only served God because the Lord took care of him.
That was the man i spoke of , Elihu . That is where Job did err john . God even tells Job where were YOU when I created thus and thus , Where were you . Job later repents of having that mindset as though He knew the mind of GOD . when job himself was but a man and knew not . I mean , where were any of us WHEN GOD SPOKE all that was and is into existance . But the good thing for us is that we do have the mind of Christ and thus as we need to know we will know , but we will not KNOW ALL . Sometimes or i should say many forget that . For i see men of hermes and world wise creatures who speak as though they know all wisdom and yet contradict GOD . some of them , or again i should say many of them speak as though they are god himself . But man has forgotten his place . For GOD was not created by men to serve them GOD created , thus HE is all deserving of total reverance , all Honor . many churches , many peoples , many who lead the flocks and many who follow them HAVE either never known or long forgotten . That all things were created BY GOD for HIS OWN GOOD PLEASURE . And rather heed men who make the focus on us us us and preach a false love that in no way honors GOD but rather contradicts HIM . WE should stand , bow and kneel and lay down before GOD with total thanksgivings for the simple and wonderful truth that He even spared us , that HE even sent the SON , and that HE even drew us to HIM . Yet many just get angry at GOD if the aint got they dream house , or if anything goes not their way . WELL ITS TIME FOR REMINDERS that will stir all up . And By the SPIRIT let men speak , and you already know exactly WHERE some of us GONNA BRING THOSE REMINDERS FROM . FROM ONE BOOK . OH YES . THE B EYE BLE . BIBLE . And all those reminders of JESUS , and all those reminders of the apostels , and of all reminders in revelation in pslams , in proverbs , IN ALL the bible . My heart is that purposed and determined as i CLING to the SPIRIT , TO CHRIST , that i shall cling to ONE BOOK , and use all the reminders of that book and anything else i say , WELL IT BETTER LINE UP with those words , OR I DONT WANT A ONE OF YALLL TO HEED ME IF IT DONT , nor any man . WE GOTTA DIG IN NOW MY FRIEND . as i know you know . DIG IN , and flood this place with every reminder ever wrote for our learning , that we do not the evil they did and that we are stirred up unto every good word and work . As paul told even the thessolians . \MAY GOD comfort your hearts and stablish your hearts in every good WORD and WORK . ITS BATTLE TIME . AND BIBLE TIME . FLOOD THIS PLACE . FLOOD IT TO THE FULL and let all the lambs swim in the river of those HOLY WORDS and REMINDERS . AND LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:09:00 GMT -5
Job sinned in things he said when being tested. His friends kept saying his sins were the cause of the attack, and that wasn't true. John is right about that. I think it is awful anyone says Jesus wants us to agree quickly with the devil. That's what she's saying, no mistaking that. Job was at fault in being righteous in his own eyes....he did not see himself as unworthy.....he still needed to be sanctified. His journey is the believer's journey, brother. It has to do with how we overcome the accuser of the brethren who accuses us before the Lord day and night. We are not to agree with the lies of the devil, of course, that's not what this is talking about, but repentance is when we are undone and we can finally say in the glaring light, Yes, guilty as charged! Here is a real good example . LOOK at CORNELIUS . God was pleased with his alms , his prayers , his deeds , YET CORNELIUS was not at all near complete . And HE NEEDED THE SAVOIR . As peter told the council , That he was sent to give words to this man that both HE and his HOUSE might be saved . What does GOD say about those like that , he says they who do good willl come to ME that they may KNOW their deeds are of ME . OH YES JESUS said that . Cornelius might have follow the jewish God and God was pleased with his good works , BUT CORNELIUS NEEDED THE SAVOIR and IN JESUS was SANCTIFIED . That is a good example to help exlpain sister .
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:13:28 GMT -5
Job sinned in things he said when being tested. His friends kept saying his sins were the cause of the attack, and that wasn't true. John is right about that. I think it is awful anyone says Jesus wants us to agree quickly with the devil. That's what she's saying, no mistaking that. Job was at fault in being righteous in his own eyes....he did not see himself as unworthy.....he still needed to be sanctified. His journey is the believer's journey, brother. It has to do with how we overcome the accuser of the brethren who accuses us before the Lord day and night. We are not to agree with the lies of the devil, of course, that's not what this is talking about, but repentance is when we are undone and we can finally say in the glaring light, Yes, guilty as charged! And the accusor of our brethen has been cast out , and they overcame him by the blood of JESUS . WE NEED to be born again in JESUS to overcome the adversary . revelation is a beauty too . And we must CONTINUE In Christ .
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Post by John on May 27, 2020 8:14:26 GMT -5
That is the beauty of it my friend . the who sent that other man , WAS GOD . Look and be reminded , it was i think around chapter thirty two . he was a younger man and God had sent Him and he expounded well unto JOB the things of GOD . then a bit farther on , GOD himself speaks DIRECTLY without man right to JOB . but oh yes , God sent that other man . I never read where it says God sent the younger man to Job. Do you have scripture that says that?
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:21:50 GMT -5
That is the beauty of it my friend . the who sent that other man , WAS GOD . Look and be reminded , it was i think around chapter thirty two . he was a younger man and God had sent Him and he expounded well unto JOB the things of GOD . then a bit farther on , GOD himself speaks DIRECTLY without man right to JOB . but oh yes , God sent that other man . I never read where it says God sent the younger man to Job. Do you have scripture that says that? Well the younger man had words from the Lord . I assume GOD sent him . He actually does rebuke both job and his friends . And he reminds that in the old should be wisdom , but this is not always the case . Be encouraged my friend . on this subject about job , its clear we may not fully understand it . The main thing is that we pump every single word JESUS ever said and all those reminders from that bible . If we do that continously , we will get built up . Opinions will fade being replaced by TRUTH . the main thing is that we flee the evil men did , flee the evil of our own flesh , aka crucify it by the Spirit . That we learn well the bible . That we do not the evil things that were written , but do the good that was written . For every word is for our adomition , our learning that we do not the evil and lust after the evil they did in those examples . I think paul said that , but it might have been peter . The point is , and this has been the point , OH LET THE PEOPLES OPEN THOSE BIBLES and MAY ALMIGHTY GOD , FATHER OF OUR LORD and SAVOIR POUR SUCH A LOVE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES UPON OUR HEARTS , we just feast , f east and feast upon it . As i am sure some agree .
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Post by John on May 27, 2020 8:28:34 GMT -5
I never read where it says God sent the younger man to Job. Do you have scripture that says that? Well the younger man had words from the Lord . I assume GOD sent him . He actually does rebuke both job and his friends . And he reminds that in the old should be wisdom , but this is not always the case . Be encouraged my friend . on this subject about job , its clear we may not fully understand it . The main thing is that we pump every single word JESUS ever said and all those reminders from that bible . If we do that continously , we will get built up . Opinions will fade being replaced by TRUTH . the main thing is that we flee the evil men did , flee the evil of our own flesh , aka crucify it by the Spirit . That we learn well the bible . That we do not the evil things that were written , but do the good that was written . For every word is for our adomition , our learning that we do not the evil and lust after the evil they did in those examples . I think paul said that , but it might have been peter . The point is , and this has been the point , OH LET THE PEOPLES OPEN THOSE BIBLES and MAY ALMIGHTY GOD , FATHER OF OUR LORD and SAVOIR POUR SUCH A LOVE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES UPON OUR HEARTS , we just feast , f east and feast upon it . As i am sure some agree . If the young man was sent by God, every word he spoke would be right, and it was not. It appears to me he was a travelling companion with the three others.
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:40:45 GMT -5
Let us learn with eager hearts the scriptures . let us be reminded of things that even the apostels did say and write , let us be feasting upon every thing JESUS ever did and said . as well as all sound doctrine . We are not of the devil , we once were , but no longer are . But let each one die daily , keep that flesh , that body under control . AND HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh . The reminders from them are so needed . thus let each again with great hope and great love for truth read those bibles daily . Feasting upon every word for it is meat to the soul . And let the LORD be praised . Let us expound on the scriptures , but not with contention nor with strife . For we ought to love one another as Christ has loved us . YES , for sure this does not mean NOT to rebuke , correct . What it means is , if we are all lambs , then let us expound on all scrips , but do so for the good of the other . and let none of us assume , rather ask . There is a big difference , between reasoning scrips with lambs who might not yet know , verses debates with men who oppose TRUTH . MEn who oppose truth are not anywhere close to a lamb who might not yet KNOW TRUTH . If any teaches what is contrary to the scrips , that must be corrected asap . If folks teach falsehoods , that must be shut down asap . but as we can see , if one expounds on something and it is not correct then let the others show them by the scriptures their error . It is good if the heart be established by grace . Point to all that JESUS said and the apostels and all sound doctrine . But remember the heart must know the pure milk of the word . We should remind of all things our LORD did say , let the heart be firmly established in that . Let us always seek to learn of HIM , but let us ensure that from the heart we indeed are looking out for the welfare of the brethren . Many have sat in churches and have thus learned a wrong mindset in some areas . But if we would but return to the scrips without any other aides , no false hermes , no commentaires , but rather JUST SEEK GOD and HEED the SPIRIT , we will find how our minds will be changed . For as one said just the other night . I have seen a big difference between those who just love and read the bible , versus those who read a bit here and there and heed instruction of men . BIG DIFFERENCE . those who simply TRUST in GOD , IN THE SPIRIT and JUST LOVETH THE WORDS , seem to have far more established minds , while the others , NO WAY they are unstable and go with the flow of this next big thing , next new teaching , next etc etc etc . those whose trust is in GOD , and HEED the SPIRIT and just read for themselves with love those bibles are like unto a tree , and the winds of men did blow and the persecutions of men did blow upon that tree , and not a fruit one did it lose . But those who heed men and learn from those minds , and heed this pick a bit here and there and form an idea to justify mans teaching are like a tree , that when the winds blew , lost every ounce of fruit and then the FIRE CAME and BURNED THAT TREE DOWN .
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Post by frienduff on May 27, 2020 8:43:03 GMT -5
Well the younger man had words from the Lord . I assume GOD sent him . He actually does rebuke both job and his friends . And he reminds that in the old should be wisdom , but this is not always the case . Be encouraged my friend . on this subject about job , its clear we may not fully understand it . The main thing is that we pump every single word JESUS ever said and all those reminders from that bible . If we do that continously , we will get built up . Opinions will fade being replaced by TRUTH . the main thing is that we flee the evil men did , flee the evil of our own flesh , aka crucify it by the Spirit . That we learn well the bible . That we do not the evil things that were written , but do the good that was written . For every word is for our adomition , our learning that we do not the evil and lust after the evil they did in those examples . I think paul said that , but it might have been peter . The point is , and this has been the point , OH LET THE PEOPLES OPEN THOSE BIBLES and MAY ALMIGHTY GOD , FATHER OF OUR LORD and SAVOIR POUR SUCH A LOVE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES UPON OUR HEARTS , we just feast , f east and feast upon it . As i am sure some agree . If the young man was sent by God, every word he spoke would be right, and it was not. It appears to me he was a travelling companion with the three others. ELIUE was not one of the three of jobs friends . you might be thinking of eliphaz and his two friends that GOD was angry with . it never said ELIHU . Jobs three friends . But i will read this again some time later after work . SO i get refreshed in it . I sure would not want to be in error . so let me do that .
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Post by John on May 27, 2020 8:54:43 GMT -5
If the young man was sent by God, every word he spoke would be right, and it was not. It appears to me he was a travelling companion with the three others. ELIUE was not one of the three of jobs friends . you might be thinking of eliphaz and his two friends that GOD was angry with . it never said ELIHU . Jobs three friends . But i will read this again some time later after work . SO i get refreshed in it . I sure would not want to be in error . so let me do that . He was not one of the three. I said it appears to me he was a travelling companion to them. He may have been there to minister to them, since he was younger, but clearly, all of his words were not true, and if he was a type of prophet of the Lord, all his words had to be true.
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Post by 777 on May 27, 2020 9:21:16 GMT -5
Let me see if I understand you. You are saying that since Jesus said to agree with our adversaries quickly, and the devil is our adversary, we are to agree with him or come to an agreement with him when he accuses us, because chances are, the accusations are true, You are saying Job was too prideful to realize he was a rotten sinner that deserved the evil that came upon him, and if not for his pride, theses things wouldn't have happened to him. We should learn from Job. Is that close? No not at all, that is a complete and utter misrepresentation. Where did I misunderstand you?
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Post by watchful on May 29, 2020 13:45:49 GMT -5
Pro 1:20-27
Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Jer 4:13
Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.
Pro 3:5-8
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
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