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Post by watchful on Jun 2, 2020 6:44:30 GMT -5
Who can know the mind of God unless He reveals it? Who knows of His ways unless He instructs us? The Lord answered Job --- a man whom He declared as righteous --- setting him upon His way by illustrating the limitations of man. Job answered the Lord rightly in keeping with His declaration when Satan accused THE LORD of "stacking the deck" in favor of His servant. At no point was the anger of God kindled against Job who eschewed evil even when he was reduced to sackcloth and ashes. The same cannot be said of Job's friends. God's anger was kindled against them for falsely accusing Job who suffered greatly, tempting him to sin by their counsel. The Lord didn't send the younger man to speak for Him even though he claimed to speak for Almighty God. If this were true then why did God speak from the whirlwind, addressing Job Himself? The lessons presented in this book are manifold: the One who addresses our accuser is God Himself, not us. It's not our place to do so as we see in the example of our Lord's temptation in the wilderness. How did the Holy One answer Satan? At no time did the Son of God seek to defend Himself nor speak on His own behalf. If Job erred this was his error: he sought to defend himself by answering the accusations of his accusers. Thus he was righteous in their eyes. Far from constituting sin on his part, it merely points to the futility of answering our accuser on our own behalf. Thus it is wise for us to agree with our adversary by remaining silent, turning toward the Lord for succor. If God desires to answer our accuser then He will; if He doesn't, then who are we to stand in His place? Amen. It's not that God was angry with Job.....and He would not accuse Job Himself because he was in covenant with the Lord by sacrifices. But as His workmanship it seems the Lord desired to put the finishing touches on Job's life...to perfect His workmanship. It was God who drew Satan's attention to Job. As Job finally learned, we cannot justify ourselves. It is only God who justifies and God who vindicates....and that is not based on our just desserts, our own righteousness, or because of anything good we do, but only on His GREAT mercy in Christ. We have no argument against the accusations of our adversary, because in our flesh dwells no good thing of our own, at all, at all. Nothing, nada, nyet. I think Job went from religion to reality that day he was undone and slain when he finally "saw" the Lord and saw himself in His light. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the "death" of His saints. No man can "see" God and live! And then he was blessed in a bigger way than before. Amen, Seeking, what is man that God is mindful of us? Such amazing love, I can't comprehend it.
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Post by watchful on Jun 2, 2020 6:55:30 GMT -5
Job 17:14 I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.
Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Isa 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Praise the name of the Lord...like Job, we need Him to slay our "worm" in this life.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 2, 2020 8:00:49 GMT -5
"explain point by point"....not every question is entitled to an answer brother. But I will leave a clue, that if we will judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world. The scripture about agreeing with our adversary agrees with that. Why would not everyone be entitled to an answer? Who decides who is "entitled" to an answer to a question? It is for your benefit questions are being asked. That is why Frienduff encourages people to ask questions, so people will not be misunderstood. When anyone fails to answer simple questions about what they are saying, that means everyone starts trying to guess what they meant, and it could lead to them taking you wrong. The next thing you know, there is this huge controversy over nothing. Is not the objective to be understood? You are not Jesus, and there is no reason for you to speak in parables yourself. Jesus never taught his disciples to do that when it comes to ministering to other believers, and Jesus did not speak in parables to anyone but the multitudes. The disciples simply recorded what he said, but he revealed the direct meaning to them in private. Truly we must look at the example of JESUS in this . Notice to those who were not Inside the Kingdom , did not follow Him , HE would not explain a parable too . BUT DO NOTICE , and i say this with a plea to all , that WHEN HIS OWN asked HIM to expound HE did . We should explain to the brethren any misunderstanding of something . The Lord desires for the lambs to grow , and it is HIS SPIRIT at work in ALL the lambs . Now i would not teach spiritual matters to babes who are carnal ,cause they cannot recieve it yet . instead those get built up in truth . But whatever we say , is supposed to EDIFY the brethren . Not cause fights , strives and other stuff . In other words we should follow the examples of Christ and those apostels . Notice to the hebrews and corinthians , paul spoke of higher spiritual knowlege , YET if since they were carnal He did not expound that at all . Truly i believe we are lambs here at narrow way , just as there are lambs scattered throughout all the world , though they do be few . But our mission , duty , concern should truly be for the welfare of those brethren . This is why i dont understand why watchful just wont , or maybe she cant , explain how she beleives triple sevens mis interpreted or etc . Here is what is best . Lets say i came to teach something i beleived was a higher revelation of something spiritual from God . I would teach it . And yes it better be examined by any and all who has breath . IF it were not understood i would not continue focusing on the meat , i would simply pray that others would grow and God would reveal it to them . But when lambs come together , they come together to Edify with truth the others . Surely when one is sent to expound something of GOD unto lambs , at least one in the group should understand it . Unless we all goats . Are we all goats and watchful is the judgment of God against us NO . IF watchful has been sent by God to expound something to us , why is it not being expounded , aka why is it not being explained . As i said either we all goats , or something is amiss. And we aint all goats . We are supposed to build one another up with Truth , not destroy each other because it is not being explained . Something is amiss . Even when agabus a prophet was sent , and he asked for pauls girdle . Did he just stop at that . and then paul said , would you explain this . did agabus say , NOPE you aint entitled . NO , God works for the good of the lambs . As i said , if we were goats , then perhaps i would understand that this is just a judgment of GOD against the goats . But we are NOT GOATS . SO the body should be recieving EDIFICATION from the message . AND again , lets say we are carnal babes , THEN if it aint understood , the one bringing it needs to point them back to the SIMPLE basics . Because that would mean we still carnal and aint growning IN the MILK of the word . EIther way this is being done wrong . I truly hope that helps us all . IF anything did not make sense , cause yeah i know that can happen , then ask me to explain this . whatever part was not understood , ASK me to explain it better .
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Post by tabitha3319 on Jun 2, 2020 9:16:13 GMT -5
Who can know the mind of God unless He reveals it? Who knows of His ways unless He instructs us? The Lord answered Job --- a man whom He declared as righteous --- setting him upon His way by illustrating the limitations of man. Job answered the Lord rightly in keeping with His declaration when Satan accused THE LORD of "stacking the deck" in favor of His servant. At no point was the anger of God kindled against Job who eschewed evil even when he was reduced to sackcloth and ashes. The same cannot be said of Job's friends. God's anger was kindled against them for falsely accusing Job who suffered greatly, tempting him to sin by their counsel. The Lord didn't send the younger man to speak for Him even though he claimed to speak for Almighty God. If this were true then why did God speak from the whirlwind, addressing Job Himself? The lessons presented in this book are manifold: the One who addresses our accuser is God Himself, not us. It's not our place to do so as we see in the example of our Lord's temptation in the wilderness. How did the Holy One answer Satan? At no time did the Son of God seek to defend Himself nor speak on His own behalf. If Job erred this was his error: he sought to defend himself by answering the accusations of his accusers. Thus he was righteous in their eyes. Far from constituting sin on his part, it merely points to the futility of answering our accuser on our own behalf. Thus it is wise for us to agree with our adversary by remaining silent, turning toward the Lord for succor. If God desires to answer our accuser then He will; if He doesn't, then who are we to stand in His place? Amen. It's not that God was angry with Job.....and He would not accuse Job Himself because he was in covenant with the Lord by sacrifices. But as His workmanship it seems the Lord desired to put the finishing touches on Job's life...to perfect His workmanship. It was God who drew Satan's attention to Job. As Job finally learned, we cannot justify ourselves. It is only God who justifies and God who vindicates....and that is not based on our just desserts, our own righteousness, or because of anything good we do, but only on His GREAT mercy in Christ. We have no argument against the accusations of our adversary, because in our flesh dwells no good thing of our own, at all, at all. Nothing, nada, nyet. I think Job went from religion to reality that day he was undone and slain when he finally "saw" the Lord and saw himself in His light. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the "death" of His saints. No man can "see" God and live! And then he was blessed in a bigger way than before. Amen, Seeking, what is man that God is mindful of us? Such amazing love, I can't comprehend it. In that sense , I feel like I have already died!
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Post by watchful on Jun 2, 2020 9:24:33 GMT -5
Why would not everyone be entitled to an answer? Who decides who is "entitled" to an answer to a question? It is for your benefit questions are being asked. That is why Frienduff encourages people to ask questions, so people will not be misunderstood. When anyone fails to answer simple questions about what they are saying, that means everyone starts trying to guess what they meant, and it could lead to them taking you wrong. The next thing you know, there is this huge controversy over nothing. Is not the objective to be understood? You are not Jesus, and there is no reason for you to speak in parables yourself. Jesus never taught his disciples to do that when it comes to ministering to other believers, and Jesus did not speak in parables to anyone but the multitudes. The disciples simply recorded what he said, but he revealed the direct meaning to them in private. Truly we must look at the example of JESUS in this . Notice to those who were not Inside the Kingdom , did not follow Him , HE would not explain a parable too . BUT DO NOTICE , and i say this with a plea to all , that WHEN HIS OWN asked HIM to expound HE did . We should explain to the brethren any misunderstanding of something . The Lord desires for the lambs to grow , and it is HIS SPIRIT at work in ALL the lambs . Now i would not teach spiritual matters to babes who are carnal ,cause they cannot recieve it yet . instead those get built up in truth . But whatever we say , is supposed to EDIFY the brethren . Not cause fights , strives and other stuff . In other words we should follow the examples of Christ and those apostels . Notice to the hebrews and corinthians , paul spoke of higher spiritual knowlege , YET if since they were carnal He did not expound that at all . Truly i believe we are lambs here at narrow way , just as there are lambs scattered throughout all the world , though they do be few . But our mission , duty , concern should truly be for the welfare of those brethren . This is why i dont understand why watchful just wont , or maybe she cant , explain how she beleives triple sevens mis interpreted or etc . Here is what is best . Lets say i came to teach something i beleived was a higher revelation of something spiritual from God . I would teach it . And yes it better be examined by any and all who has breath . IF it were not understood i would not continue focusing on the meat , i would simply pray that others would grow and God would reveal it to them . But when lambs come together , they come together to Edify with truth the others . Surely when one is sent to expound something of GOD unto lambs , at least one in the group should understand it . Unless we all goats . Are we all goats and watchful is the judgment of God against us NO . IF watchful has been sent by God to expound something to us , why is it not being expounded , aka why is it not being explained . As i said either we all goats , or something is amiss. And we aint all goats . We are supposed to build one another up with Truth , not destroy each other because it is not being explained . Something is amiss . Even when agabus a prophet was sent , and he asked for pauls girdle . Did he just stop at that . and then paul said , would you explain this . did agabus say , NOPE you aint entitled . NO , God works for the good of the lambs . As i said , if we were goats , then perhaps i would understand that this is just a judgment of GOD against the goats . But we are NOT GOATS . SO the body should be recieving EDIFICATION from the message . AND again , lets say we are carnal babes , THEN if it aint understood , the one bringing it needs to point them back to the SIMPLE basics . Because that would mean we still carnal and aint growning IN the MILK of the word . EIther way this is being done wrong . I truly hope that helps us all . IF anything did not make sense , cause yeah i know that can happen , then ask me to explain this . whatever part was not understood , ASK me to explain it better . Dear brother, strife is the very thing I have been trying to ignore. And you are ascribing way more to me than I ascribe to myself...I only came to this conversation about Job to learn, and the Lord has been graciously teaching me. And I have not shared anything of that, which I didn't think, hope, and believe would be edifying to the hearer. As for sheep and goats, wheat and tares, my understanding is that this doesn't get judged until the end. All I do is try to deal with one post at a time, not form judgments about who is who and who isn't. But we have to know that Jesus often (maybe always) said things that would test the hearts of the people....because His whole word tests our hearts actually, and is a mirror that we need to look into until we truly see that in me dwells no good thing.
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Post by 777 on Jun 2, 2020 10:25:11 GMT -5
Truly we must look at the example of JESUS in this . Notice to those who were not Inside the Kingdom , did not follow Him , HE would not explain a parable too . BUT DO NOTICE , and i say this with a plea to all , that WHEN HIS OWN asked HIM to expound HE did . We should explain to the brethren any misunderstanding of something . The Lord desires for the lambs to grow , and it is HIS SPIRIT at work in ALL the lambs . Now i would not teach spiritual matters to babes who are carnal ,cause they cannot recieve it yet . instead those get built up in truth . But whatever we say , is supposed to EDIFY the brethren . Not cause fights , strives and other stuff . In other words we should follow the examples of Christ and those apostels . Notice to the hebrews and corinthians , paul spoke of higher spiritual knowlege , YET if since they were carnal He did not expound that at all . Truly i believe we are lambs here at narrow way , just as there are lambs scattered throughout all the world , though they do be few . But our mission , duty , concern should truly be for the welfare of those brethren . This is why i dont understand why watchful just wont , or maybe she cant , explain how she beleives triple sevens mis interpreted or etc . Here is what is best . Lets say i came to teach something i beleived was a higher revelation of something spiritual from God . I would teach it . And yes it better be examined by any and all who has breath . IF it were not understood i would not continue focusing on the meat , i would simply pray that others would grow and God would reveal it to them . But when lambs come together , they come together to Edify with truth the others . Surely when one is sent to expound something of GOD unto lambs , at least one in the group should understand it . Unless we all goats . Are we all goats and watchful is the judgment of God against us NO . IF watchful has been sent by God to expound something to us , why is it not being expounded , aka why is it not being explained . As i said either we all goats , or something is amiss. And we aint all goats . We are supposed to build one another up with Truth , not destroy each other because it is not being explained . Something is amiss . Even when agabus a prophet was sent , and he asked for pauls girdle . Did he just stop at that . and then paul said , would you explain this . did agabus say , NOPE you aint entitled . NO , God works for the good of the lambs . As i said , if we were goats , then perhaps i would understand that this is just a judgment of GOD against the goats . But we are NOT GOATS . SO the body should be recieving EDIFICATION from the message . AND again , lets say we are carnal babes , THEN if it aint understood , the one bringing it needs to point them back to the SIMPLE basics . Because that would mean we still carnal and aint growning IN the MILK of the word . EIther way this is being done wrong . I truly hope that helps us all . IF anything did not make sense , cause yeah i know that can happen , then ask me to explain this . whatever part was not understood , ASK me to explain it better . Dear brother, strife is the very thing I have been trying to ignore. And you are ascribing way more to me than I ascribe to myself...I only came to this conversation about Job to learn, and the Lord has been graciously teaching me. And I have not shared anything of that, which I didn't think, hope, and believe would be edifying to the hearer. As for sheep and goats, wheat and tares, my understanding is that this doesn't get judged until the end. All I do is try to deal with one post at a time, not form judgments about who is who and who isn't. But we have to know that Jesus often (maybe always) said things that would test the hearts of the people....because His whole word tests our hearts actually, and is a mirror that we need to look into until we truly see that in me dwells no good thing. Isn't this the doctrine George teaches about how he views the members at his board? Isn't this also how he operates, trying to gradually lead people to accept his teachings by spoon feeding them?
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Post by frienduff on Jun 2, 2020 12:46:58 GMT -5
Truly we must look at the example of JESUS in this . Notice to those who were not Inside the Kingdom , did not follow Him , HE would not explain a parable too . BUT DO NOTICE , and i say this with a plea to all , that WHEN HIS OWN asked HIM to expound HE did . We should explain to the brethren any misunderstanding of something . The Lord desires for the lambs to grow , and it is HIS SPIRIT at work in ALL the lambs . Now i would not teach spiritual matters to babes who are carnal ,cause they cannot recieve it yet . instead those get built up in truth . But whatever we say , is supposed to EDIFY the brethren . Not cause fights , strives and other stuff . In other words we should follow the examples of Christ and those apostels . Notice to the hebrews and corinthians , paul spoke of higher spiritual knowlege , YET if since they were carnal He did not expound that at all . Truly i believe we are lambs here at narrow way , just as there are lambs scattered throughout all the world , though they do be few . But our mission , duty , concern should truly be for the welfare of those brethren . This is why i dont understand why watchful just wont , or maybe she cant , explain how she beleives triple sevens mis interpreted or etc . Here is what is best . Lets say i came to teach something i beleived was a higher revelation of something spiritual from God . I would teach it . And yes it better be examined by any and all who has breath . IF it were not understood i would not continue focusing on the meat , i would simply pray that others would grow and God would reveal it to them . But when lambs come together , they come together to Edify with truth the others . Surely when one is sent to expound something of GOD unto lambs , at least one in the group should understand it . Unless we all goats . Are we all goats and watchful is the judgment of God against us NO . IF watchful has been sent by God to expound something to us , why is it not being expounded , aka why is it not being explained . As i said either we all goats , or something is amiss. And we aint all goats . We are supposed to build one another up with Truth , not destroy each other because it is not being explained . Something is amiss . Even when agabus a prophet was sent , and he asked for pauls girdle . Did he just stop at that . and then paul said , would you explain this . did agabus say , NOPE you aint entitled . NO , God works for the good of the lambs . As i said , if we were goats , then perhaps i would understand that this is just a judgment of GOD against the goats . But we are NOT GOATS . SO the body should be recieving EDIFICATION from the message . AND again , lets say we are carnal babes , THEN if it aint understood , the one bringing it needs to point them back to the SIMPLE basics . Because that would mean we still carnal and aint growning IN the MILK of the word . EIther way this is being done wrong . I truly hope that helps us all . IF anything did not make sense , cause yeah i know that can happen , then ask me to explain this . whatever part was not understood , ASK me to explain it better . Dear brother, strife is the very thing I have been trying to ignore. And you are ascribing way more to me than I ascribe to myself...I only came to this conversation about Job to learn, and the Lord has been graciously teaching me. And I have not shared anything of that, which I didn't think, hope, and believe would be edifying to the hearer. As for sheep and goats, wheat and tares, my understanding is that this doesn't get judged until the end. All I do is try to deal with one post at a time, not form judgments about who is who and who isn't. But we have to know that Jesus often (maybe always) said things that would test the hearts of the people....because His whole word tests our hearts actually, and is a mirror that we need to look into until we truly see that in me dwells no good thing. As for sheep , goats , wheat and tares , Correct . the true judgment cometh at the end . this whole seperation Jesus spoke of , was concerning the end when the tares would be burned and the wheat gathered into barns . THANK you my dear sister for that wonderful reminder .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 2, 2020 12:49:28 GMT -5
Dear brother, strife is the very thing I have been trying to ignore. And you are ascribing way more to me than I ascribe to myself...I only came to this conversation about Job to learn, and the Lord has been graciously teaching me. And I have not shared anything of that, which I didn't think, hope, and believe would be edifying to the hearer. As for sheep and goats, wheat and tares, my understanding is that this doesn't get judged until the end. All I do is try to deal with one post at a time, not form judgments about who is who and who isn't. But we have to know that Jesus often (maybe always) said things that would test the hearts of the people....because His whole word tests our hearts actually, and is a mirror that we need to look into until we truly see that in me dwells no good thing. Isn't this the doctrine George teaches about how he views the members at his board? Isn't this also how he operates, trying to gradually lead people to accept his teachings by spoon feeding them? If you have a question just ask it . For example . if you were to think i was working for BB , then just ask me . Frienduff are you in league with BB . ] Its better to simply just do it that way . Just ask . If you think she is in line with george for example . ask her .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 2, 2020 12:50:28 GMT -5
Me , i do not believe that . surely sister would never line up with that type of unity stuff and other things like OSAS , that he clings too . But ask anyway . its better to just ask it .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 2, 2020 12:52:39 GMT -5
Job 17:14 I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.
Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Isa 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.Praise the name of the Lord...like Job, we need Him to slay our "worm" in this life. We sure do need HIM at all times .
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Post by 777 on Jun 2, 2020 13:21:23 GMT -5
Upon your advise Frienduff, watchful, are you working with George?
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Post by watchful on Jun 2, 2020 13:22:34 GMT -5
Job 17:14 I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.
Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Isa 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.Praise the name of the Lord...like Job, we need Him to slay our "worm" in this life. We sure do need HIM at all times . Yes, amen. And maybe this is a good example to help people understand what I have been trying to say. We need the Lord to Help us understand what He is talking about here with regard to the "worm"....if we apply the "plain meaning of scripture" we won't understand what God is saying here at all.
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Post by watchful on Jun 2, 2020 13:24:44 GMT -5
Amen. It's not that God was angry with Job.....and He would not accuse Job Himself because he was in covenant with the Lord by sacrifices. But as His workmanship it seems the Lord desired to put the finishing touches on Job's life...to perfect His workmanship. It was God who drew Satan's attention to Job. As Job finally learned, we cannot justify ourselves. It is only God who justifies and God who vindicates....and that is not based on our just desserts, our own righteousness, or because of anything good we do, but only on His GREAT mercy in Christ. We have no argument against the accusations of our adversary, because in our flesh dwells no good thing of our own, at all, at all. Nothing, nada, nyet. I think Job went from religion to reality that day he was undone and slain when he finally "saw" the Lord and saw himself in His light. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the "death" of His saints. No man can "see" God and live! And then he was blessed in a bigger way than before. Amen, Seeking, what is man that God is mindful of us? Such amazing love, I can't comprehend it. In that sense , I feel like I have already died! Maybe you have, sister, Lord bless you. All I know is that if we cling to Jesus and follow Him through all the ups and downs and storms of this life, He will and IS leading us to where we need to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 14:30:55 GMT -5
Amen. It's not that God was angry with Job.....and He would not accuse Job Himself because he was in covenant with the Lord by sacrifices. But as His workmanship it seems the Lord desired to put the finishing touches on Job's life...to perfect His workmanship. It was God who drew Satan's attention to Job. As Job finally learned, we cannot justify ourselves. It is only God who justifies and God who vindicates....and that is not based on our just desserts, our own righteousness, or because of anything good we do, but only on His GREAT mercy in Christ. We have no argument against the accusations of our adversary, because in our flesh dwells no good thing of our own, at all, at all. Nothing, nada, nyet. I think Job went from religion to reality that day he was undone and slain when he finally "saw" the Lord and saw himself in His light. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the "death" of His saints. No man can "see" God and live! And then he was blessed in a bigger way than before. Amen, Seeking, what is man that God is mindful of us? Such amazing love, I can't comprehend it. In that sense , I feel like I have already died! We who are in Jesus Christ are buried with Him, Tabitha. The churches of this world are lost in error: they teach that salvation is a finished work but we who walk the narrow path know differently by virtue of these stripes we bear! Job is an example to us that suffering is the cross we pick up and carry when we submit ourselves to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. Oh yes, how we suffer in this world. Consider how we are marvelously made in the image of God: a tripartite union of body, soul, and spirit. The body is a biological vehicle, corruptible and weak by virtue of death which commenced with the sin of our father of flesh and blood (the first Adam); the soul, called psyche in Greek, is the crucible of the mind and personality; the spirit, which is pneuma in Greek, is invisible like the wind (or breath). Ah, but in Christ Jesus who is the second Adam we are redeemed: first the spirit when the Son of God breathes upon us (born again); then the soul which is sanctified or better yet, conformed to the image of the Son (the second Adam) from glory to glory by His Holy Spirit which implies a lifelong process; when our appointed time is upon us we are finally delivered from this biological body of corruption, exchanging the corruptible for the incorruptible. Praise the Lord! We're buried with Jesus Christ and just as He rose from the dead, He'll raise us up to dwell in His house forever.
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Post by John on Jun 2, 2020 17:53:40 GMT -5
In that sense , I feel like I have already died! We who are in Jesus Christ are buried with Him, Tabitha. The churches of this world are lost in error: they teach that salvation is a finished work but we who walk the narrow path know differently by virtue of these stripes we bear! Job is an example to us that suffering is the cross we pick up and carry when we submit ourselves to the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. Oh yes, how we suffer in this world. Consider how we are marvelously made in the image of God: a tripartite union of body, soul, and spirit. The body is a biological vehicle, corruptible and weak by virtue of death which commenced with the sin of our father of flesh and blood (the first Adam); the soul, called psyche in Greek, is the crucible of the mind and personality; the spirit, which is pneuma in Greek, is invisible like the wind (or breath). Ah, but in Christ Jesus who is the second Adam we are redeemed: first the spirit when the Son of God breathes upon us (born again); then the soul which is sanctified or better yet, conformed to the image of the Son (the second Adam) from glory to glory by His Holy Spirit which implies a lifelong process; when our appointed time is upon us we are finally delivered from this biological body of corruption, exchanging the corruptible for the incorruptible. Praise the Lord! We're buried with Jesus Christ and just as He rose from the dead, He'll raise us up to dwell in His house forever. I think I see what you are saying. What happens is they will reference how Jesus said, "It is finished," just before he died. He was saying his mission was accomplished. He had paid the penalty for our sins, but that in no wise means that everyone will be saved or those saved will be kept saved. That is a perfect example of how some read more into the text than what is there because they have an agenda.
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