|
Post by John on Jun 7, 2020 16:37:19 GMT -5
Matthew 11:28-30 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." MMM John >what that all about?> just a non verse for you ? That verse never says we have unconditional eternal security, no matter what we do. It does not even remotely say that. Our way is really not that difficult. Just believe and obey the Lord. That is not a heavy burden at all. If we do sin, just confess it and receive forgiveness. That is not a heavy burden at all.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like. He is like a man which built a house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, it is like a man, that without a foundation built a house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. Luke 6:46-49
You can fall from grace by not obeying Jesus, just like that house fell that was not founded upon a rock.
|
|
|
Post by John on Jun 7, 2020 16:39:10 GMT -5
When the Bible speaks of bondage, it is speaking of bondage to sin and the devil. The Lord sets us free from the bondages of sin so we are able to obey Him.
|
|
|
Post by John on Jun 7, 2020 16:41:47 GMT -5
obeying Him no on can do that J>Its Faith!to produce fruit.The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure— who can understand it? If we cannot obey Jesus, why does He tell us we must?
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 15:14
Yes, Jesus actually said that. If you are going to be His friend, you have to do whatsoever he commands you. That is obedience. Here you are saying we cannot obey him. That is just not true.
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 17:37:19 GMT -5
So what does this really mean in the Bible? Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”… Your Thoughts?? I sure have my Thoughts>>But Yours First Please. You are jumbling different things together into that question. It is not a single passage you are paraphrasing.
In the case of doing the will of the Father, that is pretty plain. We know the will of the Father as a result of the teachings in the Bible. It is not just enough to believe, but we must obey the Lord.
The reason why it is so hard for rich men and women to get to heaven is because they will often trust in their riches, not God. We are taught to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all things will be added to us, not to seek riches. It did astonish the disciples when they heard this, and Jesus said that all things are possible with God. He is able to save a rich man that will put his trust in the Lord. There are wealthy people that have been saved. james would have , paul would have , they all would have agreed with you on this john . James was telling them the very THING JESUS had said . DONT be hearers only , DECIEVING YOUR OWN SELVES . EVEN DEVILS BELIEVE and TREMBLE . OH YES the devils believe they knew WHO HE was . FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is dead being alone . Being a hearer only IS DECEPTOIN . FOR WHO we love , IS SEEN BY WHOM WE OBEY . Ye cannot seperate love from obediance . though many try . CANT be done . IF a man loves me HE KEEPS MY SAYINGS . HE WHO HEARS and DOES dug deep and laid their house on THE FOUNDATION , but he who hears and does not , SAND . And paul knew this . HE knew if one did not provide , ADOING ACTION JESUS HAD TAUGHT TO DO , Then he is WORSE than even an infidel . I TELL US ALL , THEY ALL KNEW THIS . PAUL knew we were the servants of WHOM We obey . HE even said also , DO NOT BE DECIEVED , What you SOW TO is what you REAP . GOD WILL NOT be mocked . they knew it to the very core of their soul .
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 17:41:32 GMT -5
That 1% bread and Blood this forum seems to have a very hard time!Even a little leaven the BIBLICAL VERSION OF WHAT THE BLOOD DOES , IS IT PURGES OUR CONSCIOUS . IT GOES BEYOND THE MERE FLESH THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS COVERED . IT REACHES IN AND CHANGES THE MIND AND HEART OF A MAN . HOW BOUT WE SAY The whole reason WHY JESUS came and died on that cross . Everyone should know he payed the price o our sins , but lets see what both peter and paul said HE TOOK OUR SINS in HIS OWN FLESH ON THE TREE , THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN , that is the power of the blood , SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . hyper grace no likey that part . whose we are is evident in who we obey and we better continue in HIS GOODNESS to the end , HEEDING THE SPIRIT , not the flesh . continue in HIS GOODNESS . IF not many do get cast out . FAITHFUL TO THE END . rest on HIM and HIS POWER , not on men and their acroynms .
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 17:49:15 GMT -5
Matthew 11:28-30 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." MMM John >what that all about?> just a non verse for you ? That verse never says we have unconditional eternal security, no matter what we do. It does not even remotely say that. Our way is really not that difficult. Just believe and obey the Lord. That is not a heavy burden at all. If we do sin, just confess it and receive forgiveness. That is not a heavy burden at all.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like. He is like a man which built a house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, it is like a man, that without a foundation built a house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. Luke 6:46-49
You can fall from grace by not obeying Jesus, just like that house fell that was not founded upon a rock. PETER , paul and them knew this well . LOOKING DILIGENTLY (he wrote to beleivers ) lest any man FAIL of the GRACE OF GOD , lest any root of bitteness does spring up and thereby MANY be defiled . Peter wrote and told them , SEEING YOU KNOW THESE THINGS ALREADY , SO THEY KNEW TRUTH , beware lest ANY OF YOU does be led away with the ERROR of the WICKED and falls from HIS STEADFASTNESS . JESUS told them apostels and they listened . HE WHO ENDURES TO THE END the same shall be saved . Paul reminded them again , FOR we are made partakers oF HIM , IF WE HOLD our confidence Steadfast to the END . NOTICE Paul didnt say HEY CHURCH all is well , if ya sin its not big deal OSAS . NO And from heaven , JESUS said it again. He was pleased with some things but not well pleased at all with other things . And notice it was repent ....................OR ELSE . now the SWORD of his mouth fighting against them , Dont sound like they were just losing some treasures , NOPE . IF JESUS fights against you with the SWORD of his mouth, ITS OVER if your candlestick gets put out , ITS OVER . IT really was repent or else . And in case anyone tries to say , well they never knew him , WHY WOULD GOD POINT THEM BACK TO A FIRST LOVE THEY ONCE HAD . OH OOPS . And then tell them IF YADONT REPENT , OUT GOES THE CANDLESTICK . cause proverbs says quite well , THE CANDEL of the wicked gets PUT OUT . no candlstick , NO LIGHT . ITS BUENO BYE . FOLKS , stop clinging to acryonms and start CLINGING TO JESUS and what those apostels taught . not men , WHAT THEY TUAGHT .
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 17:55:16 GMT -5
obeying Him no on can do that J>Its Faith!to produce fruit.The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure— who can understand it? If we cannot obey Jesus, why does He tell us we must?
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 15:14
Yes, Jesus actually said that. If you are going to be His friend, you have to do whatsoever he commands you. That is obedience. Here you are saying we cannot obey him. That is just not true.here lets show him what paul said . IF YE FOLLOW THE SPIRIT YE WONT FULLFILL the LUSTS of the flesh . JESUS never said , oh its not big deal if ya dont obey me , i understand ya cant . HE GIVES US THE DESIRE and THE ABILITY TO DO SO . most do not know the POWER of the blood , nor even know the POWER of the SPIRIT . they follow men , they follow men and their carnal reasoning . its a sad fact . ANYONE who has the SPIRIT and has even been built up in sound doctrine , WOULD KNOW . THE SPIRIT aint some goosbumps or etc , ITS REAL . and i do stand in doubt on a lot of folks , cause if they had it then the body is dead because of sin . THEY WOULD KNOW . THE SPIRIT unctions us . I am worried for many folks .
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 18:10:17 GMT -5
When the Bible speaks of bondage, it is speaking of bondage to sin and the devil. The Lord sets us free from the bondages of sin so we are able to obey Him. JESUS made that very clear and both peter and paul confirmed it in letters . I truly wish folks would read the bible for themselves and stop following precepts of men who twist a lil and cherry pick verses to fit an teaching . here lets see what peter said first . HE took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , that WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . YES THE TRUTH SETS ONE FREE FROM the bondage of sin . JESUS says this to those who beleived on him , IF YE CONTINUE , YEAH CONTINUE in me , then ye shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free . And they misunderstood him and said , BUT we were never in bondage to any man . ONLY JESUS WASNT TALKIN ABOUT MAN . HE WAS TALKING BOUT SIN . WHICH HE MAKES VERY CLEAR . now lets see what paul says on the subject . KNOWING THIS , that our old man is crucified with HIM , that the body of SIN might be destroyed , that from henceforth we should NOT SERVE SIN . or how bout this that paul also says . BEING THEN MADE FROM SIN and Become servants TO GOD , ye have your FRUIT unto HOLINESS and the END everlasting life . Jesus really did come to set the captives FREE . THAT we would now serve GOD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH , LIVING and WALKING HOLY unto HIM . But letme give two stern reminders from paul . Thefirst is , IF ANY MAN has NOT THE SPIRIT ,THEY ARE NOT JESUS CHRISTS , and IF any man does HAVe the SPIRIT then the Body IS DEAD because of sin . WEDONT LIVE UNTO SIN NO MORE . Now another stern warning . Therefore BELIEVERS , BRETHREN , we are debtors , But NOT to the FLESH , because if you live AFTER the flesh , YE WILL DIE But if you through the SPIRIT do kill , put to death , MORTIFY the deeds of the body , THEN YE SHALL LIVE . God will not be mocked . and who we OBEY IS WHOSE we are . whether o sin unto death or of ......................OBEDIANCE UNTO RIGHTEOUNESS . Enough already , head hurt is in dire grave danger and i cant have his blood upon my hands , so i offer him a real simple solution . READ that bible FOR YOU . dont heed men , dont sit and listen to then try and power point teach ya about this orthat . YOU READ IT YOURSELF . YOU PRAY . READ THAT BIBLE FOR YOURSELF . read it over and over again . and WATCH what happens .
|
|
|
Post by John on Jun 7, 2020 18:16:10 GMT -5
When the Bible speaks of bondage, it is speaking of bondage to sin and the devil. The Lord sets us free from the bondages of sin so we are able to obey Him. JESUS made that very clear and both peter and paul confirmed it in letters . I truly wish folks would read the bible for themselves and stop following precepts of men who twist a lil and cherry pick verses to fit an teaching . here lets see what peter said first . HE took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , that WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . YES THE TRUTH SETS ONE FREE FROM the bondage of sin . JESUS says this to those who beleived on him , IF YE CONTINUE , YEAH CONTINUE in me , then ye shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free . And they misunderstood him and said , BUT we were never in bondage to any man . ONLY JESUS WASNT TALKIN ABOUT MAN . HE WAS TALKING BOUT SIN . WHICH HE MAKES VERY CLEAR . now lets see what paul says on the subject . KNOWING THIS , that our old man is crucified with HIM , that the body of SIN might be destroyed , that from henceforth we should NOT SERVE SIN . or how bout this that paul also says . BEING THEN MADE FROM SIN and Become servants TO GOD , ye have your FRUIT unto HOLINESS and the END everlasting life . Jesus really did come to set the captives FREE . THAT we would now serve GOD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH , LIVING and WALKING HOLY unto HIM . But letme give two stern reminders from paul . Thefirst is , IF ANY MAN has NOT THE SPIRIT ,THEY ARE NOT JESUS CHRISTS , and IF any man does HAVe the SPIRIT then the Body IS DEAD because of sin . WEDONT LIVE UNTO SIN NO MORE . Now another stern warning . Therefore BELIEVERS , BRETHREN , we are debtors , But NOT to the FLESH , because if you live AFTER the flesh , YE WILL DIE But if you through the SPIRIT do kill , put to death , MORTIFY the deeds of the body , THEN YE SHALL LIVE . God will not be mocked . and who we OBEY IS WHOSE we are . whether o sin unto death or of ......................OBEDIANCE UNTO RIGHTEOUNESS . Enough already , head hurt is in dire grave danger and i cant have his blood upon my hands , so i offer him a real simple solution . READ that bible FOR YOU . dont heed men , dont sit and listen to then try and power point teach ya about this orthat . YOU READ IT YOURSELF . YOU PRAY . READ THAT BIBLE FOR YOURSELF . read it over and over again . and WATCH what happens . Yes, and in saying all of this, and pointing him to read the Bible, nobody hates him or has any hostility towards him. It is out of concern we point everyone to the Bible.
|
|
|
Post by frienduff on Jun 7, 2020 18:20:39 GMT -5
JESUS made that very clear and both peter and paul confirmed it in letters . I truly wish folks would read the bible for themselves and stop following precepts of men who twist a lil and cherry pick verses to fit an teaching . here lets see what peter said first . HE took our sins in his flesh upon the tree , that WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS . YES THE TRUTH SETS ONE FREE FROM the bondage of sin . JESUS says this to those who beleived on him , IF YE CONTINUE , YEAH CONTINUE in me , then ye shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free . And they misunderstood him and said , BUT we were never in bondage to any man . ONLY JESUS WASNT TALKIN ABOUT MAN . HE WAS TALKING BOUT SIN . WHICH HE MAKES VERY CLEAR . now lets see what paul says on the subject . KNOWING THIS , that our old man is crucified with HIM , that the body of SIN might be destroyed , that from henceforth we should NOT SERVE SIN . or how bout this that paul also says . BEING THEN MADE FROM SIN and Become servants TO GOD , ye have your FRUIT unto HOLINESS and the END everlasting life . Jesus really did come to set the captives FREE . THAT we would now serve GOD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH , LIVING and WALKING HOLY unto HIM . But letme give two stern reminders from paul . Thefirst is , IF ANY MAN has NOT THE SPIRIT ,THEY ARE NOT JESUS CHRISTS , and IF any man does HAVe the SPIRIT then the Body IS DEAD because of sin . WEDONT LIVE UNTO SIN NO MORE . Now another stern warning . Therefore BELIEVERS , BRETHREN , we are debtors , But NOT to the FLESH , because if you live AFTER the flesh , YE WILL DIE But if you through the SPIRIT do kill , put to death , MORTIFY the deeds of the body , THEN YE SHALL LIVE . God will not be mocked . and who we OBEY IS WHOSE we are . whether o sin unto death or of ......................OBEDIANCE UNTO RIGHTEOUNESS . Enough already , head hurt is in dire grave danger and i cant have his blood upon my hands , so i offer him a real simple solution . READ that bible FOR YOU . dont heed men , dont sit and listen to then try and power point teach ya about this orthat . YOU READ IT YOURSELF . YOU PRAY . READ THAT BIBLE FOR YOURSELF . read it over and over again . and WATCH what happens . Yes, and in saying all of this, and pointing him to read the Bible, nobody hates him or has any hostility towards him. It is out of concern we point everyone to the Bible. no , if i hated him , i would just let him feel okay and hug him and try and get along for unity . those are the haters . THOSE WHO LOVE , CORRECT and they DO IT with great hope that thosethey correct will repent . but to leave one in error , THAT is what hate is . to just leave one in sin and error , IS hate . and The WORD of GOD backs that . DO not hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way REBUKE HIM , correct him and not ALLOW SIN UPON HIM . YEP . so we do all we can for their sakes .
|
|