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Post by frienduff on Jul 23, 2020 15:23:36 GMT -5
I will show later how Satan is using this to seduce the church. I'm interested in seeing that. When we say no mixing . it means no mixing . if folks are setting up christmas trees , ERROR . IF folks are telling kids about santa , ERROR . the actual day of his birth . NO ONE KNOWS . so i know two groups . one celebrates it on dec twenty fifth , one on january seventh . WAIT there is a third that does it sept twenty fifth . WELL , WE DONT KNOW WHEN HE was born . I will happily remember his birth on all three days . BUT if any pagan is with it , WE DO SATANS WILL . WE may as well bow before satan and reject GOD . NO santa, no christmas trees , no easter bunnies , no egg hunts , PEROID . NO PAGAN . ALL else is but our own selves trying to justify our own deeds . AND it wont work . never has , NEVER WILL . AND HELLOWEEN . HELL OH WEEN . SHUN THAT to hades .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 23, 2020 15:26:51 GMT -5
TWO sisters are at work to seduce the entire world . Sister rome and sister israel after the flesh . . And we better heed neither . I See a jewish movment it gets shut down , i see a unity movment it gets shut down . I see a phone book JESUS movement it gets shut down . TIS JESUS and that bible . FORWARD MARCH , the cost will be my cost , but it must be all our cost . SERVE JESUS and not men .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 23, 2020 15:29:09 GMT -5
Let them cowards who cannot directly speak to me , yet work behind the scenes to turn others against me . MAN UP and confront me . Worthy and those who run it , are already under a unity approach to all things . But they seem to have no problem trying to sway some against me . YET they wont even face me . Rather hide and try and plant ideas like i am somehow dangerous . Ol frienduff aint backing down . the cost for me will be the cost . AMEN .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 23, 2020 15:29:54 GMT -5
They are doing the work of satan . THERE IT IS . I said it .
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:17:39 GMT -5
When God established many of his feast days in the time of the Exodus, he never looked to the Egyptians, or any heathen nation in order to establish his days. He never looked to their days, he never looked to their celebrations, in how to celebrate it, he established something that was pure, and right in every way, no outside influence whatsoever. He would say this day of this month is this or that, and so on. Even if that's so, God created December 25 as he did all days, so I don't see the harm in celebrating the birth of Jesus on that day. I don't think it's selfish at all to want to celebrate something good. In reality yes God created the months, but to be precise not the actual month December 25th (Roman months), and the reason they chose it, has bad roots, purity is something to study biblically speaking, God wants something to be pure in every way, and he wants things to be separate, and should we not show a complete distinction??? I think we should, it should not be based on oh every else does it on that day, it has already been established, though with bad roots, that should not be the motivating factor, doing all to the glory of God in every way should be the motivating factor, and seeking his face.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:24:32 GMT -5
Isa 42:8 (8) I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. God does not give or share his glory with any man or so called god, it all belongs to him, he will not share even 1% of it. It is not, oh well I will allow a bit of paganism, I will share a bit of my glory with paganism, no he will share none of his glory with paganism, paganism is no co equal with God. Then just don't mix pagan worship in while celebrating Jesus' birth whatever day you do it. Pagans do evil 365 days a year. Who cares if they do evil on a day we do good? I am not against genuinely celebrating the birth of Christ, but knowingly just embracing the day that was purposefully chosen for sun god worship, so to represent Jesus' birthday, God would not honor that, for his son is precious to him. And I believe in doing good any day, including the Roman month of December 25th, every day is a day unto glorfying God, which this I do. But if you read in the bible according to how God thinks, he wants no mixture, not even 1%. And sometimes we try to hold on to that 1%.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:47:18 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing that. When we say no mixing . it means no mixing . if folks are setting up christmas trees , ERROR . IF folks are telling kids about santa , ERROR . the actual day of his birth . NO ONE KNOWS . so i know two groups . one celebrates it on dec twenty fifth , one on january seventh . WAIT there is a third that does it sept twenty fifth . WELL , WE DONT KNOW WHEN HE was born . I will happily remember his birth on all three days . BUT if any pagan is with it , WE DO SATANS WILL . WE may as well bow before satan and reject GOD . NO santa, no christmas trees , no easter bunnies , no egg hunts , PEROID . NO PAGAN . ALL else is but our own selves trying to justify our own deeds . AND it wont work . never has , NEVER WILL . AND HELLOWEEN . HELL OH WEEN . SHUN THAT to hades . I will get a bit into that issue later about December 25th, and January 6th or 7th. To me acknowledging a day that was purposefully chosen to appease the pagans, and just put a Christian stamp on it, I cannot acknowledge, and will not acknowledge, because it hurts Christ, therefore it hurts me to. And it is true that we may not know the exact day of his birth, now you may choose to celebrate his birth whenever, but to chose a date that has maligned his name, and his birth, that is just too much for me, and I cannot see any way how God would approve bad roots, whether the bad roots are in a day chosen for to malign Christ's birth, or doing any thing that the pagans may add to it. I do not see anywhere were God does not do away with bad roots, just show me one scripture, just one. Roots and motives matter to God. A real witness would be to at least try to do so as close as possible to his birthday, and in that celebration, show forth a difference between the pagan one, and a true celebration unto Christ, this can show a witness that is separate. If you want to celebrate it in May, September or October, that is up to you, but I cannot acknowledge a specific day, purposefully chosen to appease the pagans which many proclaimed to be the birthday of the sun God, and associate it with Christ or his birth. They emphatically say on that celebration that Christ was born on Christmas day, December 25th, as truth. But it is known that the sun god's birth was celebrated on that day, in many nations of the world, even the Satanist and Wiccans celebrate this day as one of their most high days, with of course Halloween. So I think we have to be very careful on this issue.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:49:56 GMT -5
For me I would rather not even consider taking a chance at offending God in any form, because God is precious, and if he wants all bad roots out, then we should want them out, and the motivation behind December 25th, has bad roots.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:52:53 GMT -5
I will show later how Satan is using this to seduce the church. I'm interested in seeing that. Oh you will see how that a little leaven, leavens the whole lump, Satan starts with one thing, brings people's gards down, then it opens the doors to other things, and I will show this through what has happened to ministries.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:58:07 GMT -5
And say you do genuinely celebrate Christ's birthday on some other day, do not give a strong emphasis, on that Christ was born on this day, just remember his birth and do what God leads you to do.
Because I do not know if we can truly pinpoint the exact day, but it seems that there are clues, at least that could get us close or closer.
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Post by Giller on Jul 23, 2020 22:58:48 GMT -5
So I guess I will get into ho ho.
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Post by Giller on Jul 24, 2020 0:21:50 GMT -5
Santa Claus
So here are some articles concerning some of the origins of the names of Santa:
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/12/131219-santa-claus-origin-history-christmas-facts-st-nicholas/)
(…Santa Claus, Father Christmas, St. Nick—no matter the name, everyone knows the story of this plump, jolly, bringer of gifts. Or do they?… …Jolly Old St. Nicholas? Every December 6, the faithful celebrate St. Nicholas Day in cities all over the world, with the largest ones taking place in Europe. Images of St. Nicholas vary considerably, but none of them look much like the red-cheeked, white-bearded old man seen everywhere today.…
…How did this St. Nicholas turn into the North Pole-dwelling bringer of Christmas gifts? The original saint was a Greek born in the late third century, around 280 A.D. He became bishop of Myra, a small Roman town in modern Turkey. Nicholas was neither fat nor jolly but developed a reputation as a fiery, wiry, and defiant defender of church doctrine during the Great Persecution in 303, when Bibles were burned and priests made to renounce Christianity or face execution.
Nicholas defied these edicts and spent years in prison before the Roman emperor Constantine ended Christian persecution in 313 with the Edict of Milan. Nicholas's fame lived long after his death (on December 6 in the mid-fourth century, around 343) because he was associated with many miracles, and reverence for him continues to this day independent of his Christmas connection. He is the protector of many types of people, from orphans to sailors to prisoners.… …In the better-known tale, three young girls are saved from a life of prostitution when young Bishop Nicholas secretly delivers three bags of gold to their indebted father, which can be used for their dowries.…)
(https://www.diffen.com/difference/Santa_Claus_vs_Sinterklaas)
(…Sinterklaas (also called Sint-Nicolaas in Dutch and Saint Nicolas in French) is a traditional holiday figure in the Netherlands and Belgium, celebrated every year on Saint Nicholas' eve (December 5) or, in Belgium, on the morning of December 6. Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of, among other things, children. The figure of Santa Claus, and his role during Christmas, is largely based on the Dutch Sinterklaas. However, there are some differences between the two.…)
(https://www.whychristmas.com/cultures/holland.shtml)
(…For most children in The Netherlands, the most important day during December is 5th December, when Sinterklaas (St. Nicholas) brings them their presents! St. Nicholas' Day is on the 6th December, but in The Netherlands, the major celebrations are held on the 5th December, St. Nicholas' Eve. The name Santa Claus comes from the name Sinterklaas.…
…Sinterklass travels with his servants called 'Zwarte Pieten' ('Black Peters'). When Sinterklaas and the Black Peters come ashore from the steam boat, all of the local church bells ring in celebration. Sinterklaas, dressed in his red robes, leads a procession through the town, riding a white horse. Every town in The Netherlands has a few Sinterklaas helpers, dressed the same as Sinterklaas who help give the presents out. (And sometimes you might one see one or more Zwarte Pieten with Sinterklaas!) Children are told that the Zwarte Pieten keep a record of all the things they have done in the past year in a big book. Good children will get presents from Sinterklaas, but bad children will be put in a sack and the Zwarte Pieten take them to Spain for a year to teach them how to behave!…)
So this is some of the information concerning Santa Claus, and we can see that the origins of the name came from this Bishop of Myra called Nicholas, and eventually the Catholic church made a feast in veneration of him, and I read that in their feast they venerate him and pray to him, so it is a feast to were by their actions, have made this man into a god.
For only God may be prayed to and worshiped and no man.
And the feast for this saint as they call him, is on December the 5th or 6th.
Now whether this Nicholas was a true Christian or not, I do not know, but the Catholic church makes saints of all kinds of people, which sometimes they will claim true Christians as saints, and other times they will claim people who are not truly Christian (maybe Christian according to them but not according to the word) as saints.
They even call Peter as the first pope, which we know that is false.
But eventually the name of Saint Nicholas made its way to the December 25th celebration, and it seems that the name Santa Claus, came from this word sinterklaas, which they seem to associate with Saint Nicholas.
But notice that neither feast whether December 6th (veneration of Nicholas), or December 25th, are of God.
Now here is another name for Santa Claus:
(https://www.etymonline.com/word/Santa%20Claus)
(…Father Christmas is attested from 1650s.…)
They also call him Father Christmas.
Well I know that many times that the Catholic church calls their priests spiritual father, which God forbids this.
Well who is the true father of the Christ mass?
Joh 8:44 (44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Satan is the father of the Christ mass (eucharist/transubstantiation), for he is the father of lies.
Now here is another name that eventually came to be associated with Santa Claus:
(https://www.learningliftoff.com/santa-claus-origins-and-traditions/)
(…Yet, St. Nicholas or Santa Claus wasn’t connected the way it is today with Christmas gift-giving.
But Wait, What About Kris Kringle?
As many of you know, people may call Santa Claus “Kris Kringle,” a name popularized by a 1947 movie called Miracle on 34th Street, about a man of that name who plays Macy’s Santa. But the origin of the name goes back much further. In the 1500s, during the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther wanted to discourage the figure of St. Nicholas (he believed praying to any saint was against Scripture). Luther and his followers introduced the idea that the “Christkind” (German for “Christ-child”) would secretly come on Christmas Eve to bring presents to all good children. Christkind was modified to Kriss Kringle in the 1840s and became a popular nickname in some countries for Santa Claus. It’s not hard to see how this tradition of gift-giving on Christmas Eve in connection with St. Nick and Kris Kringle evolved, but it still took a while for the current version of Santa Claus to develop.…)
The name is Kris Kringle, and it mentions that the origin of the name seems to go back to the 1500's.
It mentions how that Martin Luther wanted to discourage the figure of St Nicholas because he believed that praying to any saint was against scripture, which it was against scripture, but what did Martin Luther and his followers do?
They introduced the idea of the Christkind, which would secretly come on Christmas Eve to bring presents to all good children.
And in German it was the German word for Christ-child, but what did Martin Luther and so on, do?
They used Christ's precious name, and made a fable out of him, of how on Christmas eve he would secretly come to bring presents to all good children.
So it was making a fable out of Christ to counteract St Nicholas veneration.
That is not acceptable to God, and maybe that is one reason why some so called Christians accept Santa Claus, because of the name Kris Kringle, which points to Christkind, or the word in German Christ-child.
These are all deceptions of Satan, you cannot Christianize Santa, and today Kris kringle is one of the names associated with Santa.
So we see Christian compromise here with Martin Luther and followers.
And even today, we see heavy Christian compromise among Christian circles even via Santa.
Some want to justify the so called Christian version of it, which there is no true Christian version of Santa.
And God does not want us to give heed to fables and lies, no lies are Christian.
So now we go to our last articles:
(https://historydaily.org/odin-and-santa#:~:text=The%20Santa%20Claus%20that%20we,Santa%20are%20also%20very%20similar.)
(…The Santa Claus that we know today is a fusion of myths, legends, and folklore from several different cultures, from the Turkish bishop Saint Nicholas and the German folktales of Sinterklaas. You know all of those guys, but you might be surprised to learn that the Norse god Odin and Santa are also very similar.…
…Christmas Drew From The Scandinavian Jul Celebration
Before Christianity, Scandinavian people celebrated a 12-day winter holiday called jul, from which we get the modern word "yule." Many jul festivities---such as hanging wreaths made of evergreen boughs, singing carols, decorating pine trees, burning a yule log, and hanging sprigs of mistletoe in doorways---were adopted by Christians to make Christmas more palatable to newly converted pagans. …
…Everyone knows that Santa Claus lives at the North Pole, where his workshop is headquartered. All year long, his crew of elves work hard to produce the gifts that Santa brings to all the children who made it to his "nice" list. Well, according to Norse mythology, Odin also had a crew of industrious elves known as "Odin's men" who made small gifts for Odin to deliver. The manufacturing did not take place at the North Pole, but many parts of Scandinavia are situated above the Arctic Circle. Odin himself was said to live in a frozen world to the north called Asgard, where he often clashed with icy giants.…
…Thanks to "'Twas The Night Before Christmas," we know that Santa flies through the sky in a magical sleigh pulled by eight flying reindeer. Similarly, Odin flies across the sky on an eight-legged horse named Sleipnir. In most stories, Odin sat on the back of the horse, but in many other Norse myths, common animals with the uncommon ability to fly pulled sleighs or chariots for the gods and goddesses. Even the names of Santa's reindeer, as given by Moore, evoke Odin. "Donner" and "Blitzen" are similar to the Germanic words for "thunder" and "lightning," both of which were commanded by Odin.…
... Odin and Santa are both all-knowing, but they have help. Santa has his legion of elves who spy on children and take notes on their behavior, while Odin has two companion ravens named Huginn and Muninn who he sends out to survey the people and note those who are especially good or bad. For the good people, Odin leaves small trinkets, bread, and good fortune, while those on Odin's naughty list receive a heavy dose of bad luck....
…The Father Christmas Connection Santa Claus has many names, and so does Odin. One of them was Jolfaor, or "Jul Father," meaning something very close to Father Christmas, which is how Santa is still primarily known in many countries.…)
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/12/131217-krampus-christmas-santa-devil/)
(…Krampus's name is derived from the German word krampen, meaning claw, and is said to be the son of Hel in Norse mythology. The legendary beast also shares characteristics with other scary, demonic creatures in Greek mythology, including satyrs and fauns.
The legend is part of a centuries-old Christmas tradition in Germany, where Christmas celebrations begin in early December. Krampus was created as a counterpart to kindly St. Nicholas, who rewarded children with sweets. Krampus, in contrast, would swat "wicked" children, stuff them in a sack, and take them away to his lair. According to folklore, Krampus purportedly shows up in towns the night of December 5, known as Krampusnacht, or Krampus Night. The next day, December 6, is Nikolaustag, or St. Nicholas Day, when children look outside their door to see if the shoe or boot they'd left out the night before contains either presents (a reward for good behavior) or a rod (bad behavior).…)
So we can see all kinds of legends and fables that were used in the fabrication of Santa Claus, and we see this Krampus demon, that was mentioned in one of the fables mentioned.
People in Christian circles are compromising in a big way, but it all started somewhere for them to get were they are, it all starts with a little seed, that is all it takes.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 24, 2020 7:47:27 GMT -5
Then just don't mix pagan worship in while celebrating Jesus' birth whatever day you do it. Pagans do evil 365 days a year. Who cares if they do evil on a day we do good? I am not against genuinely celebrating the birth of Christ, but knowingly just embracing the day that was purposefully chosen for sun god worship, so to represent Jesus' birthday, God would not honor that, for his son is precious to him. And I believe in doing good any day, including the Roman month of December 25th, every day is a day unto glorfying God, which this I do. But if you read in the bible according to how God thinks, he wants no mixture, not even 1%. And sometimes we try to hold on to that 1%. Now this is something that must be given some thought . Giller for sure since that is in your conscious , DO NOT celebrate HIS birth on that day . You cant . because if its not of faith , IT IS SIN . And i can clearly see that the actual day bothers you due to that connection . WHICH would make MUCH sense . Also when we do remember his birth , if we truly celebrated it , IT WOULD look nothing like the christmas celebrations . Because there are tons of pagan at every corner blended subtily into it . I guess we pick a season in which to remember it here on narrow way . So all could remember it with peace and a clear conscious . DID you know that the early church also celebrated pentecost as well as passover . passover was not done by sacrificing animals anymore . It was held in rememberance of what JESUS had already done and that HE alone was the sacrificial lamb . YEP . But they also celebrated PENTECOST . we see it in the book of acts , i think around chapter nineteen and twenty , perhaps twenty one . The word PENTECOST was mentioned BY PAUL . ITS Why he was sailing past ephesus and had the elders in those churches coming to meet him , so he could spare the time in ephesus . PAUL was headed to the celebration day of PENTECOST . They must have celebrated the rememberance of that day that the HOLY GHOST BAPTISM had first been given to them apostels .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 24, 2020 7:52:50 GMT -5
So I guess I will get into ho ho. Sounds like that is short for whore whore . Well maybe not . But As pagan as things are and have been so well blended into things , YA gotta know a whore was behind that blending . And the whore i see behind it is , LA MADRE NEGRO , LA REIGNA DE MUERTE . MADRE de muerte segunda . The Dark or BLACK MOTHER , Queen of death , Mother of the second death . ROME IS TOTAL BAD NEWS . I SAY it LIKE IT IS . THUS we must flee her and her pagan ways , AND that would include all those men and women who are trying to coax us into UNITY WITH HER . ITS THAT SERIOUS GILLER . I need to do a post on something to show us how infected places have become due to men like rick warren and others under seekerfriendly , blah blah unity . THIS will be a serious wake up call . Let me go make that post . and just wait till you see HOW CLEAR IT IS . and what ALL of this has led too .
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Post by Giller on Jul 24, 2020 9:59:48 GMT -5
I am not against genuinely celebrating the birth of Christ, but knowingly just embracing the day that was purposefully chosen for sun god worship, so to represent Jesus' birthday, God would not honor that, for his son is precious to him. And I believe in doing good any day, including the Roman month of December 25th, every day is a day unto glorfying God, which this I do. But if you read in the bible according to how God thinks, he wants no mixture, not even 1%. And sometimes we try to hold on to that 1%. Now this is something that must be given some thought . Giller for sure since that is in your conscious , DO NOT celebrate HIS birth on that day . You cant . because if its not of faith , IT IS SIN . And i can clearly see that the actual day bothers you due to that connection . WHICH would make MUCH sense . Also when we do remember his birth , if we truly celebrated it , IT WOULD look nothing like the christmas celebrations . Because there are tons of pagan at every corner blended subtily into it . I guess we pick a season in which to remember it here on narrow way . So all could remember it with peace and a clear conscious . DID you know that the early church also celebrated pentecost as well as passover . passover was not done by sacrificing animals anymore . It was held in rememberance of what JESUS had already done and that HE alone was the sacrificial lamb . YEP . But they also celebrated PENTECOST . we see it in the book of acts , i think around chapter nineteen and twenty , perhaps twenty one . The word PENTECOST was mentioned BY PAUL . ITS Why he was sailing past ephesus and had the elders in those churches coming to meet him , so he could spare the time in ephesus . PAUL was headed to the celebration day of PENTECOST . They must have celebrated the rememberance of that day that the HOLY GHOST BAPTISM had first been given to them apostels . To me it is much deeper than what you are saying, I really want to see things God's way and not my way, this christmas thing has to be out of our system completely, it is truly pagan, but with a Christian moto, God does not accept it in anyway, he really accepts none of it, it is not just the case of taking paganism out of the holiday, because it is pagan, that would be like saying taking paganism out of halloween, and dress up in Christian characters, calling it "hallelujah night", and they have a totally Christian theme to it, and they call it an alternative to halloween, which really that is trying to christianize things, and the motivation is not having some unique celebration unto the Lord, but the motivation behind it in most is the kids are missing out, so let us give them an alternative, God never does things as an alternative to paganism, God is genuine, no outside influence, and it should be the same for us, no outside influence, or influence from the ways of this world. Now if people want to just simply have a worship service, unto the Lord on halloween night, and not as an alternative to halloween, but just simply because they love the Lord, then praise God. The motivation has to be pure, in every way, God does consider motives. Now can I potentially read about the story of Jesus' birth on December 25th? Yes, but I will not allow my motivation factor to be because it is December 25th, for I do not associate his birth to this, I would do so because I am genuinely lead in that direction to do so, and not letting the traditions of men lead me. Can someone potentially have no knowledge of Christmas at all, and just happen to be genuinely celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th, without any outside influence? Potentially it can happen, but that would be rare indeed, and most know about christmas that is just a fact. But if someone wants to celebrate the true birth of Christ, I would encourage them to try to at least celebrate as close as possible to when he was born, or at least a unique day, so to show a true witness of what it should be like, and not let the traditions of men lead you, and most because it is established will just give in to December 25th because of the pressure, or because they actually like it. Traditions of men should never be leading us. Here is what the bible says: Gal 5:18 (18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. How many truly seek the leading of the Spirit on this issue, rather than the traditions of men? And to me if there is a potential song that is truly biblical, that speaks of the birth of Jesus, I would sing that song any time of the year, including December 25th, but my motivation will not be a day, or the traditions of men, but rather the Spirit of the Lord.
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