Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Jun 10, 2020 21:02:55 GMT -5
what stands out to me is the strange woman is seducing men. while still in the street she speaks of her bed... how inviting, how friendly she is. one of the things she mentions is "carved works" which is a reference to idolatry/spiritual idolatry. and if we keep reading we find she is a married woman and her husband is gone, we also find this:
Pro 7:22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; Pro 7:23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life. Pro 7:24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. Pro 7:25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. Pro 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
and here is one im throwing in just because:
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
would you look at that.... just look at it. old and new testaments are saying the same thing.... just like a God who has no shadow of varience... who is the same yesterday, today and forever. and what does he say to the church... repent or perish is the message.
in the world today, it dont have to be a street walking hooker... todays culture is that sleeping around casually. openly, unrestrained(or restrained depending on depravity level) is not just accepted and welcome... its normal and common. you might get seduced by your co-worker. Joseph didnt hang out with Potiphars wife.
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Post by Cletus on Jun 10, 2020 21:05:07 GMT -5
Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
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Post by Giller on Jul 3, 2020 11:37:19 GMT -5
Concerning this strange woman, of course she entices in the way of the world, and in the way of man made religion.
And an area I want to focus on, is in the religious realm.
One verse that comes to mind is this one:
Gal 5:9 (9) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Now I know there was a certain subject that they were dealing with within the Galatian church, but I am using this saying in a general way, of how a little leaven, is leavening the whole lump within Christian circles.
So my question is, which I know some will know the answer, what is leading people in Christian circles to accept a little leaven?
And give examples, via the doctrine, and the why people accept such things.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2020 7:06:19 GMT -5
Concerning this strange woman, of course she entices in the way of the world, and in the way of man made religion. And an area I want to focus on, is in the religious realm. One verse that comes to mind is this one: Gal 5:9 (9) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Now I know there was a certain subject that they were dealing with within the Galatian church, but I am using this saying in a general way, of how a little leaven, is leavening the whole lump within Christian circles. So my question is, which I know some will know the answer, what is leading people in Christian circles to accept a little leaven? And give examples, via the doctrine, and the why people accept such things. If we want a big example . a huge one . look to seeker friendly . it allowed all sorts of sinners into the doors , YET , YET and this is KEY IT DID NOT even bother to correct the leaven they brought in . and thus in time what happened , because it was not purged out , because correction was not made , repentance was not made but rather ACCEPTANCE was made . now more and more not only turn a blind eye to sin , THEY EMBRACE it and call it LOVE . YES INDEED a lil leaven DOES LEAVEN the ENTIRE LUMP . led it right to ALL INCLUSIVE . RIGHT TO IT .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2020 7:12:14 GMT -5
I got news . do we remember the tree in the garden . God had specifically told them DO NOT EAT of that tree . When they did , do remember they made excuse and said but the serpent tempted me , and adam had said my wife gave me to eat . Yet it mattered not . eve sat and heeded the serpent , adam knew better and heeded his wife . SO in the end these great men of belial who brought all this seeker stuff in which led to all inclusive , guilty as they are and they will be found guilty , those who sat under them , wont be able to blame them . For who he , and what we love , IS what we flock too . in the end the final judmgent by GOD goes against ALL who did such a thing and all who sat under it and came not OUT from under it . HE who loves ME , keeps my SAYINGS . AND JESUS left a lot of sayings to the only TRUTH , only pattern that does work , one in which the apostels kept and taught . And that pattern , no part of it , SHOULD ever have been left off and abandoned .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2020 7:13:37 GMT -5
IF one is gonna eat , EAT THE BREAD of LIFE and drink the waters from the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE . OF JESUS CHRIST . YEAH eat and drink of that . all else is wind and vanity and is death and leads unto ONLY the second the second death .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2020 7:19:26 GMT -5
eat not , nor drink not that which dies of itself . For it cometh of the bowels of men gone wrong . I speak spirtually . for all that cometh of men is as dung of the heart from which proceeds all evil . Drink not the lemonade of men gone wrong , nor eat not of their chocolate truffles of doctrine . for i say they are dead and that which cometh of them is death . Eat ye and drink ye of the pure waters of OUR LORD and of the bread of life . yea , i say eat from that .
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Post by Giller on Jul 4, 2020 9:18:37 GMT -5
Often times, men cling to what they hold precious, but what about what God holds precious?
How do we see God?
Often times, to the degree we see God and who he is, that is how in a fairly big way, we tend to live.
Who is God to you?
Is he just your buddy, and do you see him as being extremely holy?
How do we treat him?
How do we treat his name?
Is his name highly exalted?
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Post by frienduff on Jul 4, 2020 14:20:43 GMT -5
Often times, men cling to what they hold precious, but what about what God holds precious? How do we see God? Often times, to the degree we see God and who he is, that is how in a fairly big way, we tend to live. Who is God to you? Is he just your buddy, and do you see him as being extremely holy? How do we treat him? How do we treat his name? Is his name highly exalted? And the apostels SAW GOD in the pure and right lens . and they beheld BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD . The fear of the LORD is to depart from evil . NOT DO EVIL and then claim GOD as your buddy .
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Post by watchful on Jul 5, 2020 8:03:08 GMT -5
I got news . do we remember the tree in the garden . God had specifically told them DO NOT EAT of that tree . When they did , do remember they made excuse and said but the serpent tempted me , and adam had said my wife gave me to eat . Yet it mattered not . eve sat and heeded the serpent , adam knew better and heeded his wife . SO in the end these great men of belial who brought all this seeker stuff in which led to all inclusive , guilty as they are and they will be found guilty , those who sat under them , wont be able to blame them . For who he , and what we love , IS what we flock too . in the end the final judmgent by GOD goes against ALL who did such a thing and all who sat under it and came not OUT from under it . HE who loves ME , keeps my SAYINGS . AND JESUS left a lot of sayings to the only TRUTH , only pattern that does work , one in which the apostels kept and taught . And that pattern , no part of it , SHOULD ever have been left off and abandoned . To me this seems like a pretty big subject, more than meets the eye. The scripture says the prophets prophesy falsely and the priests bear rule by their means and the people love to have it so.....so in general that is true for most overall and reflects other truths such as that many are called but few are chosen. But God is the only one who will judge each individual in the end, He is the only one who knows all the specifics of every individual's heart and life and circumstances, and He is a fair judge. Those who are newer to the faith are more prone to being led astray, they don't know the scriptures and neither do they know the ways of the Lord yet....He knowingly sends us out as sheep among wolves and that is a bit of a mystery in how He tests as well as grows us up. Women too are more susceptible in some ways in general, as well as that there are variations in gifts and measure of understanding and faith among individuals. To whom much is given much is required and vice versa. There's a battle on from the get-go, but a new believer doesn't even know that yet. It's very insidious how the devil works in darkness, unbeknownst to the believer, planting his foul seeds and ensnaring the soul....we just can't overcome him in our own strength, because it's a spiritual battle against powers and principalities. It's completely impossible for us, we are utterly helpless against the devil.......but nothing is impossible with God, with His help.....and His strength is perfected in our weakness. If we never had any battles to fight there would be no victories for the glory of God's kingdom, as well as no growing taking place. The Lord judges more strictly those who are teachers.....and there are very strong words in the bible for false shepherds, so I don't believe He will take their part out of the equation entirely when He judges.
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 8:33:47 GMT -5
There is no doubt a growth process, and battles and victories, there is no doubt.
But even so, how do we see God?
Do we want to see him high and lifted up?
And do we see him as holy?
Exo 33:20-23 (20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (21) And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: (22) And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: (23) And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
God is so holy, that God had to cover Moses with his hand, in order for Moses to just see part of him, and when God removed his hand, Moses saw the back parts of God.
Now that is wow, and holy, and sight to be wondered at.
Let us keep our eyes on him, and keep this image of his holiness at the forefront of our hearts and minds, lest we lower God to our level, or to man's level.
Exo 20:7 (7) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Of course some things are obvious about taking the Lord's name in vain, such as using the name of Jesus Christ, as a cuss word.
But what about mixing his holy name with something abominable?
The word of God shows not to mix the holy with the unholy, and it even says this:
Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
It says to make no mention of the name of other gods, now of course in the bible God mentioned the name of Baal, but never in a positive way, just as a warning to not serve Baal, not to have these other gods.
So just mentioning the name of another god without care or concern, or in a positive light is an abomination to God, he is jealous for his holiness, for he is the holy one, so how do we see God?
What about mixing the name of Christ, with the Catholic mass?
And to be clear it was the Roman Catholic church which merge the name of Christ, with the Catholic mass, to form the word Christmas.
But some will say, oh the meaning of the word Christmas has changed, but the truth of the matter, God never accepts bad roots, nor does he change his mind in men reinterpreting it, if it is an abomination to him, it will always be an abomination to him, regardless what we do to it, for God wants these things out of our lives completely.
You cannot mix the Holy with the unholy, and if you think you can, and you can lead yourself and please yourself, then you need to reexamine what God is to you, and how holy he truly is to you, should not his name be so precious, that we dare not mix it with anything that is unholy, and by the way, the word christmas is not in the bible, Jesus' birth is not called that in the bible.
Who do we fear, the acceptance of men, or the holy one who is God?
Who do we want to please, men, people in church circles, or the holy one of God, who is actually God?
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 8:35:22 GMT -5
Many times people can become just casual and light concerning Christ's name.
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 8:51:23 GMT -5
And when we become light and casual with Christ's name, it can open doors to other things.
See it use to be at one time that most churches were against Halloween, but now in many church circles they embrace it, or they try and Christianize it, so to make it acceptable, it is like they are Christianizing bad roots, and trying to bring it as an acceptable sacrifice to God.
Of course we no longer have animal sacrifices today, for Jesus was our once for all sacrifice, but you know what I mean.
But what opens the doors to these things?
Lowering our standards brings about these things, us seeing God as less holy than he is, can bring about these things, bringing God down to our level can bring about these things.
And even subconsciously (whether you realize it or not) mixing the holy with the unholy.
Lowering the standard of how we take Christ's name, such as mixing the mass with Christ's name, can open the door to other things, we start saying things like, oh it is not so bad, the meaning has changed, but that irreverent attitude, can pave the way to other things, even such as Halloween, and then that can open the door to other things, and so on and so on.
And then eventually all the dominoes start to fall.
1Co 5:6-7 (6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? (7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
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Post by frienduff on Jul 5, 2020 9:25:05 GMT -5
And when we become light and casual with Christ's name, it can open doors to other things. See it use to be at one time that most churches were against Halloween, but now in many church circles they embrace it, or they try and Christianize it, so to make it acceptable, it is like they are Christianizing bad roots, and trying to bring it as an acceptable sacrifice to God. Of course we no longer have animal sacrifices today, for Jesus was our once for all sacrifice, but you know what I mean. But what opens the doors to these things? Lowering our standards brings about these things, us seeing God as less holy than he is, can bring about these things, bringing God down to our level can bring about these things. And even subconsciously (whether you realize it or not) mixing the holy with the unholy. Lowering the standard of how we take Christ's name, such as mixing the mass with Christ's name, can open the door to other things, we start saying things like, oh it is not so bad, the meaning has changed, but that irreverent attitude, can pave the way to other things, even such as Halloween, and then that can open the door to other things, and so on and so on. And then eventually all the dominoes start to fall. 1Co 5:6-7 (6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? (7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Giller , you are correct we no longer need animal sacrfice . but since we on the subject OF Sacrifice . let me remind us of a sacrifce , that even many who claim HIS name now do . They do not offer upon the alter the sacrfice of animals , that is true , but instead many offer unto the alter of baal and wordly pleasures , the sacrifice of .....................wait for it ......... UNBORN BABIES .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 5, 2020 9:26:16 GMT -5
I got news . do we remember the tree in the garden . God had specifically told them DO NOT EAT of that tree . When they did , do remember they made excuse and said but the serpent tempted me , and adam had said my wife gave me to eat . Yet it mattered not . eve sat and heeded the serpent , adam knew better and heeded his wife . SO in the end these great men of belial who brought all this seeker stuff in which led to all inclusive , guilty as they are and they will be found guilty , those who sat under them , wont be able to blame them . For who he , and what we love , IS what we flock too . in the end the final judmgent by GOD goes against ALL who did such a thing and all who sat under it and came not OUT from under it . HE who loves ME , keeps my SAYINGS . AND JESUS left a lot of sayings to the only TRUTH , only pattern that does work , one in which the apostels kept and taught . And that pattern , no part of it , SHOULD ever have been left off and abandoned . To me this seems like a pretty big subject, more than meets the eye. The scripture says the prophets prophesy falsely and the priests bear rule by their means and the people love to have it so.....so in general that is true for most overall and reflects other truths such as that many are called but few are chosen. But God is the only one who will judge each individual in the end, He is the only one who knows all the specifics of every individual's heart and life and circumstances, and He is a fair judge. Those who are newer to the faith are more prone to being led astray, they don't know the scriptures and neither do they know the ways of the Lord yet....He knowingly sends us out as sheep among wolves and that is a bit of a mystery in how He tests as well as grows us up. Women too are more susceptible in some ways in general, as well as that there are variations in gifts and measure of understanding and faith among individuals. To whom much is given much is required and vice versa. There's a battle on from the get-go, but a new believer doesn't even know that yet. It's very insidious how the devil works in darkness, unbeknownst to the believer, planting his foul seeds and ensnaring the soul....we just can't overcome him in our own strength, because it's a spiritual battle against powers and principalities. It's completely impossible for us, we are utterly helpless against the devil.......but nothing is impossible with God, with His help.....and His strength is perfected in our weakness. If we never had any battles to fight there would be no victories for the glory of God's kingdom, as well as no growing taking place. The Lord judges more strictly those who are teachers.....and there are very strong words in the bible for false shepherds, so I don't believe He will take their part out of the equation entirely when He judges.
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