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Post by frienduff on Jul 5, 2020 18:18:24 GMT -5
christain beer , christain rock , you name it they GOT IT . its all tanking giller . And we gotta do something . NOW we cant stop the falling away . no way can we stop it . But we can expose it and preach the real JESUS and ALL HE did teach and the apostels and all sound doctrine . and some will hear and repent , BUT MOST will grow only harder against it . TO BATTLE WE GO GILLER . TO BATTLE WE GO LETTERS and ALL . FORWARD MARCH , for the souls of the entire world are in total dire danger and we go to sound out the ONLY HOPE THERE IS , JESUS CHRIST .
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 18:22:17 GMT -5
One big area that the strange woman seduces in, is in regards to this next verse:
Pro 8:13 (13) The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
She tries to lead people in the way of arrogancy, and away from the true love of God, and for God.
Arrogancy shows itself in many ways, it can show itself via doing things in a wrong spirit, such as rejecting the word through arrogancy, such as some might say, I am too old to be told what to do.
And of course being of an arrogant attitude in your walk, were you are boastful about the things you do, and do not do, or think you are better than others because you do not do as they do.
No the reason we correct, is out of a heart of care for others, because you do not want them to fall into a trap.
There is no competition among us brothers and sisters in Christ, we are workers together in Christ Jesus, we look out for each other, and I thank God for you Frienduff and many others here, who care about people.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 5, 2020 18:34:20 GMT -5
One big area that the strange woman seduces in, is in regards to this next verse: Pro 8:13 (13) The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. She tries to lead people in the way of arrogancy, and away from the true love of God, and for God. Arrogancy shows itself in many ways, it can show itself via doing things in a wrong spirit, such as rejecting the word through arrogancy, such as some might say, I am too old to be told what to do. And of course being of an arrogant attitude in your walk, were you are boastful about the things you do, and do not do, or think you are better than others because you do not do as they do. No the reason we correct, is out of a heart of care for others, because you do not want them to fall into a trap. There is no competition among us brothers and sisters in Christ, we are workers together in Christ Jesus, we look out for each other, and I thank God for you Frienduff and many others here, who care about people. SORG . SPOT ON RIGHT GILLER . . and yes indeed there is on comeptition among us brothers and sisters in JESUS . we do are simply fellow helpers to the truth , BY that one self same HOLY SPIRIT . co workers with Christ . MAN the walls and hit the trenches . everyone has their part . its the final end hour battle and we must contend for the true faith to our last and final breath .
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Post by watchful on Jul 5, 2020 18:41:38 GMT -5
There are many sources and I don't want to get into a semantic argument brother, but my vote would be with one source I saw which says maesse is a very old Saxon word for feast....which easily and simply explains why Catholics use the suffix "mas" to name a lot of their feast days, eg, Michaelmas. It makes sense to me. Their church service is called mass for short in their church vernacular....though it is considered by them to be the feast of the Eucharist or celebration of the Eucharist. No argument with your main point in principle though....amen to that. I got a question for you that i will also answer . What is the difference between ROME and how she was birthed and the kingdom now nar and evangelical movement that has swallowed up christendom . ready . NOTHING . they both promote the KINGDOM ON EARTH mentality . and they are lost . this is why they are so politically motivated . they will use whatever man will promote their kingdom upon this earth . For their kingdom is here . though they may try and claim otherwise , NO where your heart is , YOUR HEART IS . MY KINGDOM is not of this earth . IF it were i would rush to politics to help provide safety for my earthen treasures and kingdom . ITS NOT HERE SISTER . OUR KINGDOM is above . LET the world do as it will do . JESUS IS WITH THE LAMBS , they cannot defeat our KINGDOM nor take one rich of our KINGDOM from us , FOR ITS ALL ABOVE . FORWARD March into those trenches sister . with loads of prayers . cause we got one mighty battle . Amen, well said......and the RCC's earthly king is the pope. That earthly minded antichrist spirit can be seen everywhere.....Israel as well as in the evangelical church....Islam too and their brand of 'politics' and lawmaking......as the bible says there are many antichrists......so no wonder they all find things in common....all leading to the strong delusion and Antichrist, as I know you agree.
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 18:51:27 GMT -5
Pro 8:12-14 (12) I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. (13) The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. (14) Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
Wisdom dwells with prudence, and we need to have a prudent walk with God, we need to walk in the fear of the Lord, and we need to reverence him like never before, this is very serious stuff, and it is because of the lack of these that so many have fallen away.
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 18:54:08 GMT -5
Let us leave no more room for pleasing ourselves anymore.
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Post by Giller on Jul 5, 2020 22:25:31 GMT -5
Now the actual word mass means a dismissal:
(Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy))))
(...The term "Mass" is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: "Ite, missa est" ("Go; it is the dismissal").[2][3]...)
But concerning the word Christmas, this is what it says:
(Encyclopedia Wikipedia, the word "Christmas")
(The word "Christmas" originated as a compound meaning "Christ's mass". It is derived from the Middle English Cristemasse, which is from Old English Crīstesmæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038. [6] Crīst (genitive Crīstes) is from Greek Khrīstos (Χριστός), a translation of Hebrew Māšîaḥ ( ח שי מ ,( "Messiah"; and mæsse is from Latin missa, the celebration of the Eucharist.)
And here is more info:
(Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy)))
(..."Mass" is one of the names by which the sacrament of the Eucharist is called in the Roman Catholic
Church:...)
(Encyclopedia Britannica word "mass")
(mass, celebration of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church. The term mass is derived
from the rite’s Latin formula of dismissal, Ite, missa est (“Go, it is ended”). The mass is a memorial of the
sacrifice of Jesus Christ through the Crucifixion. According to church teaching, the mass is a true sacrifice in
which the body and blood of Jesus, under the appearances of bread and wine, are offered to God (see also
transubstantiation).)
So the true intention of merging the word mass with Christ, was so to point to the Roman Catholic mass, or the celebration of the Eucharist, for that is how the Roman Catholic church uses the word, to point to the Roman catholic mass, and they merged the name of Christ to point to the mass, or catholic mass, that is truly the origins.
And here are origins of the mass itself which became part of the Roman Catholic mass:
(History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...mass. The priestly mass was instituted by Cyprian in the third century. The mass became a daily ritual in the fourth century....)
Now what about the doctrine of transubstantiation, when did that come to be?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation)
(...From the earliest centuries, the Church spoke of the elements used in celebrating the Eucharist as being changed into the body and blood of Christ. Terms used to speak of the change included "trans-elementation", "transformation", "transposing", and "alteration". Augustine speaks of the consecrated bread as "becoming" the body of Christ....)
Augustine was a man that was used to bring about a lot of Catholic dogma or doctrine, and way back in his day, which was in the 4th century A.D., he was already proclaiming that the bread becomes Christ's body literally, which is not true according to scripture, and back then the term transubstantiation was not used but rather things like transposing, trans-elementation, and so on.
So by the time the word Christmas came about in 1038 A.D. there was already a Catholic mass in place, which celebrated the eucharist and pointed to the bread as turning into the literal body of Christ.
Now here is info of when it began to be called transubstantiation, and they defined it more:
(History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...Transubstantiation was defined by Pope Innocent III in A.D. 1215....)
So here I wanted to give more background history of what I am talking about.
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Post by Giller on Jul 6, 2020 9:08:26 GMT -5
Jer 10:2 (2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Deu 12:30-31 (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Let us not learn the way of the heathen, let us forsake what God hates, let us not copy the world, or man made religions, and serve our God that way, let us not Christianize things that point to something evil, let us hallow his holy name.
I know for some, that some of this stuff might be hard to hear, but it needs to be said, we cannot take his name loosely or take a chance at offending God.
And when the word Christmas came to be, which is said to of happened in the 1000's, it was during the dark ages, and who was predominant in that time, Roman Catholicism, and by this time the word mass was already used for a long time to point to the Catholic mass, and during this time, the true Christian churches were mostly small groups who were spreading the gospel, and were being persecuted, and even what you would call under ground churches.
Some right now may be saying, oh I will never compromise the gospel, and praise God if you do not, but a little leaven does actually leaven the whole lump, it cannot be allowed to grow, and look what it has done to the churches or what is called the churches?
We can easily deceive ourselves thinking there is no harm, but if you give Satan a little lea way, the door for more compromise can be opened up, and our sub-conscience can be deceived if not careful, so the remedy is just to continue in Christ, and accept what he says even if it hurts.
Keep him high and lifted up in every part of your life, hallow his holy name to the fullest, then there will be no place for the enemy.
And of course the enemy will still come to attack, but let us keep our armor on, and go forward with Christ.
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Post by Giller on Jul 6, 2020 9:31:51 GMT -5
1Jn 2:15-18 (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. (18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The Antichrist spirit will lead you into the ways of the world, into the ways of the heathen, into opposite ways from God's ways.
Do not lust for those things, do not let the cuteness of a thing deceive you, do not let the seemingly innocents of some things deceived you, just cling to the king, obey without reservation.
And it is lust many times which prevents us from leaving such and such behind.
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Post by Giller on Jul 6, 2020 9:34:55 GMT -5
Rom 12:1 (1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Here is a song I love, which I find touching.
Here are the lyrics:
(http://www.azchordstabs.com/sonrise-gospel-band/give-a-sacrifice-chords.htm)
(...Give A Sacrifice by Sonrise Gospel Band from the album Holiness To The Lord...
... (Chorus)
G Give a sacrifice
C G of holiness to the Lord
D7 Give a sacrifice
Bm G of your heart and mind and soul
C To obey His voice
G is a gift better than gold
C G Give a sacrifice
Am G of holiness to the Lord
VERSE 1:
G He doesn't want your wealth,
Am G Like He wants your witness
Am Not a Sunday service
D7 G But a Lifetime commitment
C Bought with a price,
G The blood of Jesus Christ
Bm D7 The least we can offer
Bm G Is all of our lives
(Chorus)
VERSE 2:
G We follow from afar
D7 G With the world close by
Bm Hanging on to things
D7 Bm G We should leave behind,
C Come out from among them,
G All You sanctified
Bm He didn't go half way
D7 G Up that hill to die
(Chorus)
(End)
C G Give a sacrifice
Am G of holiness to the Lord
D7 G of holiness to the Lord
C G of holiness to the Lord...)
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Post by Giller on Jul 6, 2020 11:31:24 GMT -5
Some Christian groups which were known to exist in the 1100's or 1200's were groups such as the Waldensians, and the Albigensians.
A few things are said about them, which some might be accurate and some may not be, but these were groups that were heavily persecuted by the Roman Catholic church.
And it is known that at times the Catholic church tries to rewrite history, and I have read that many of their historical books have been burnt.
They seemed to be groups who sought to please God, and live holy lives.
And in my next post, I will mention a bit about them.
And they were exceptions to the spirit of that day.
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 9:18:42 GMT -5
Now the actual word mass means a dismissal: (Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy))))
(...The term "Mass" is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: "Ite, missa est" ("Go; it is the dismissal").[2][3]...)But concerning the word Christmas, this is what it says: (Encyclopedia Wikipedia, the word "Christmas")(The word "Christmas" originated as a compound meaning "Christ's mass". It is derived from the MiddleEnglish Cristemasse, which is from Old English Crīstesmæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038.[6] Crīst (genitive Crīstes) is from Greek Khrīstos (Χριστός), a translation of Hebrew Māšîaḥ ( ח שי מ ,("Messiah"; and mæsse is from Latin missa, the celebration of the Eucharist.) And here is more info:(Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy)))(..."Mass" is one of the names by which the sacrament of the Eucharist is called in the Roman CatholicChurch:...)(Encyclopedia Britannica word "mass")(mass, celebration of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church. The term mass is derived
from the rite’s Latin formula of dismissal, Ite, missa est (“Go, it is ended”). The mass is a memorial of thesacrifice of Jesus Christ through the Crucifixion. According to church teaching, the mass is a true sacrifice in
which the body and blood of Jesus, under the appearances of bread and wine, are offered to God (see also
transubstantiation).)So the true intention of merging the word mass with Christ, was so to point to the Roman Catholic mass, or the celebration of the Eucharist, for that is how the Roman Catholic church uses the word, to point to the Roman catholic mass, and they merged the name of Christ to point to the mass, or catholic mass, that is truly the origins. And here are origins of the mass itself which became part of the Roman Catholic mass: (History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...mass. The priestly mass was instituted by Cyprian in the third century. The mass became a daily ritual in the fourth century....)
Now what about the doctrine of transubstantiation, when did that come to be? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation)
(...From the earliest centuries, the Church spoke of the elements used in celebrating the Eucharist as being changed into the body and blood of Christ. Terms used to speak of the change included "trans-elementation", "transformation", "transposing", and "alteration". Augustine speaks of the consecrated bread as "becoming" the body of Christ....)
Augustine was a man that was used to bring about a lot of Catholic dogma or doctrine, and way back in his day, which was in the 4th century A.D., he was already proclaiming that the bread becomes Christ's body literally, which is not true according to scripture, and back then the term transubstantiation was not used but rather things like transposing, trans-elementation, and so on. So by the time the word Christmas came about in 1038 A.D. there was already a Catholic mass in place, which celebrated the eucharist and pointed to the bread as turning into the literal body of Christ. Now here is info of when it began to be called transubstantiation, and they defined it more: (History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...Transubstantiation was defined by Pope Innocent III in A.D. 1215....)So here I wanted to give more background history of what I am talking about. As for me I consider that your main point is a good one brother, just that I think too much is being made of certain words. The word Christmas is only in the English language...not even the Popes in Rome cals it that, so it is not the word itself that tripped up the church, otherwise only English speaking Catholics would have been ensnared by it. In Italian the feast of Christmas is called "natale". In French it is called "noel". In Spanish,"navidad" and in German it is called "weihnachten" which means holy night. Interesting that the word for table in Spanish is mesa....and interesting too that we call a dining hall in English a mess hall. So my vote is still with the Saxon word for feast...maesse...as far as the English language is concerned, and that is how certain feast days came to be called that in Anglo-Saxon English. Just my opinion but I suspect the truth is simple and scholars clouded and complicated it. I was raised Catholic and know that the Catholic church service called mass is called the feast of the Eucharist and celebration of the Eucharist, and communion is sometimes called the Lord's table, so it just makes sense to me.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 10:03:30 GMT -5
I read a bit more concerning the Waldensians, and its seems that there were various groups of separatist Christians called that.
There were some common traits among the groups such as a general rejection of Rome and her dogmas, but on other points there was various differences among various groups of Waldenses from century to century and from place to place.
But concerning one of the major groups of Waldensians in the 1100's, here are some of their stances:
(History of the churches, by David W. Cloud)
(...The confession of faith of the Waldensians (A.D. 1120)...
...2.We believe that there is one God-the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.... ...10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men (in the affairs of religion) as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses.)
Now of course the Waldensians and Albigensians are not the standard we go by, but rather the bible, but nevertheless I am just showing a contrast to the spirit of the day, which what was predominant, was Roman Catholicism.
And in truth most festival days are pagan in nature.
These people knew what the mass was, and what it stood for, it was very clear to them, and this was close to the time when the term Christmas was formed, which really pointed to the celebration of the Eucharist, and pointed for a while by this time.
It was not something unknown.
Now here is more information concerning the Waldensians, and I will include also the Albigensians as well.
(https://books.google.ca/books?id=WEcwDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=waldenses+albigenses+rejected+the+celebration+of+christmas&source=bl&ots=Yiw8DN4s4A&sig=ACfU3U12x5Z-5gt7vN7a7Zzp_nIfsmLGlQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaqZ6P9LjqAhWVPM0KHYYdB6QQ6AEwAHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=waldenses%20albigenses%20rejected%20the%20celebration%20of%20christmas&f=false)
(...The synod or Council of Chelsea in 816 was called by the king of Mercia incorporating all of British south of the Humber, minus Wales and the West of Cornwall). The Council enforced the observance of Christmas on December 25, this date formerly being called "Mothers Night," a vigil in honor of the rebirth of the new sun.... ...The anglicized word Christmas, a contraction of "Christ's mass" first appeared in writing in 1038 but did not assume common usage in Britain until after the Norman invasion....
...However, were biblical truths from the Apostolic era had been retained, in isolated groups in the region of the Alps such as those who subsequently became known as the Albigenses and the Waldenses, Christmas was rejected. This became evident during the inquisition by Rome, set up by Pope Innocent III around 1200 and initially enforced by Pope Gregory IX in 1233, in order to identify and eradicate "heretics." A Romish Inquisitor, speaking of the Waldenses, tells us:
They... affirm that the traditions of the church are no better than the traditions of the Pharisees, insisting, moreover, that greater stress is laid on the observance of human tradition than on the keeping of the law of God.....)
And we can see that there were many type of sun worship stuff, that happened on December 25th, throughout different ages.
In my other article on the acceptance of December 25th, somewhere in the 400's, it was the Roman Catholic church that was in charge, and chose the date of December 25th, knowing that it was a time of sun worship celebration, it was them walking in the love of the world, rather than the love of Christ, which that church did not have for it was pagan in nature.
It was compromise, which in God's ways there is no room for compromise.
It is either something that is pure or it is not.
And we can clearly see the association of the word Christ mass.
But the word itself only came to be, in 1038 it seems, and it seems that the word only became the norm in Britain after the Norman invasion.
But I also read that before this time it was called the feast of the nativity.
Now the phrase "the feast of the nativity", itself is not a wrong phrase, but it shows here that he Albigenses, and Waldenses rejected Christmas, and wetter by this time, the word Christmas was already the norm, or not, the Albigenses, and Waldenses, obvioulsy saw something pagan within this celebration.
And to me changing the name from "the feast of the Nativity" to "Christmas", added another element of paganism to the feast.
So just because it was called at one time, "the feast of the nativity", does not mean that there were no pagan elements to the feast, I know December 25, was generally accepted as a compromise with the pagans, which the Roman Catholic church accepted, and in truth, they do worship the sun god, within Catholic circles, so it was an easy decision for them, and they were the major spreaders of this date.
So these are just things to think about, and groups such as the Albigenses, and Waldenses, which were persecuted by the Catholic church rejected Christmas.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 10:13:34 GMT -5
Now the actual word mass means a dismissal: (Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy))))
(...The term "Mass" is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: "Ite, missa est" ("Go; it is the dismissal").[2][3]...)But concerning the word Christmas, this is what it says: (Encyclopedia Wikipedia, the word "Christmas")(The word "Christmas" originated as a compound meaning "Christ's mass". It is derived from the MiddleEnglish Cristemasse, which is from Old English Crīstesmæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038.[6] Crīst (genitive Crīstes) is from Greek Khrīstos (Χριστός), a translation of Hebrew Māšîaḥ ( ח שי מ ,("Messiah"; and mæsse is from Latin missa, the celebration of the Eucharist.) And here is more info:(Encyclopedia Wikipedia (definition of word: "mass" (liturgy)))(..."Mass" is one of the names by which the sacrament of the Eucharist is called in the Roman CatholicChurch:...)(Encyclopedia Britannica word "mass")(mass, celebration of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church. The term mass is derived
from the rite’s Latin formula of dismissal, Ite, missa est (“Go, it is ended”). The mass is a memorial of thesacrifice of Jesus Christ through the Crucifixion. According to church teaching, the mass is a true sacrifice in
which the body and blood of Jesus, under the appearances of bread and wine, are offered to God (see also
transubstantiation).)So the true intention of merging the word mass with Christ, was so to point to the Roman Catholic mass, or the celebration of the Eucharist, for that is how the Roman Catholic church uses the word, to point to the Roman catholic mass, and they merged the name of Christ to point to the mass, or catholic mass, that is truly the origins. And here are origins of the mass itself which became part of the Roman Catholic mass: (History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...mass. The priestly mass was instituted by Cyprian in the third century. The mass became a daily ritual in the fourth century....)
Now what about the doctrine of transubstantiation, when did that come to be? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation)
(...From the earliest centuries, the Church spoke of the elements used in celebrating the Eucharist as being changed into the body and blood of Christ. Terms used to speak of the change included "trans-elementation", "transformation", "transposing", and "alteration". Augustine speaks of the consecrated bread as "becoming" the body of Christ....)
Augustine was a man that was used to bring about a lot of Catholic dogma or doctrine, and way back in his day, which was in the 4th century A.D., he was already proclaiming that the bread becomes Christ's body literally, which is not true according to scripture, and back then the term transubstantiation was not used but rather things like transposing, trans-elementation, and so on. So by the time the word Christmas came about in 1038 A.D. there was already a Catholic mass in place, which celebrated the eucharist and pointed to the bread as turning into the literal body of Christ. Now here is info of when it began to be called transubstantiation, and they defined it more: (History of the churches, David W. Cloud)
(...Transubstantiation was defined by Pope Innocent III in A.D. 1215....)So here I wanted to give more background history of what I am talking about. As for me I consider that your main point is a good one brother, just that I think too much is being made of certain words. The word Christmas is only in the English language...not even the Popes in Rome cals it that, so it is not the word itself that tripped up the church, otherwise only English speaking Catholics would have been ensnared by it. In Italian the feast of Christmas is called "natale". In French it is called "noel". In Spanish,"navidad" and in German it is called "weihnachten" which means holy night. Interesting that the word for table in Spanish is mesa....and interesting too that we call a dining hall in English a mess hall. So my vote is still with the Saxon word for feast...maesse...as far as the English language is concerned, and that is how certain feast days came to be called that in Anglo-Saxon English. Just my opinion but I suspect the truth is simple and scholars clouded and complicated it. I was raised Catholic and know that the Catholic church service called mass is called the feast of the Eucharist and celebration of the Eucharist, and communion is sometimes called the Lord's table, so it just makes sense to me. Oh I agree with you that the festival is named differently in different languages, but for some reason, they decided to associate it with the mass in English, and when we look at information on the actual word Christmas, whether it be Wikipedia, or Britannica even, it always associates it with the mass, or the celebration of the eucharist. So I guess for the people who are against Christmas in other languages, they would be more against it, for its other pagan leanings. To me, at least in the English language, it seemed to be used in honor of the Catholic mass, which Britannica, and many others affirm, and of course the word so called evolve. But man, Christ's name if very precious, let us not just mix anything with his name.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 10:19:52 GMT -5
Most of them in other languages, do not have the name of Christ attached to the feast, but in English it does so.
And Christ's name is precious.
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