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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 10:38:48 GMT -5
Also one thing that is well known, is that many times different languages borrow words from other languages, so to form say an English version of it, or French version of it etc, and it seems that the word mass is one such word.
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 10:40:16 GMT -5
Most of them in other languages, do not have the name of Christ attached to the feast, but in English it does so. And Christ's name is precious. Just that I don't see any irreverence in saying "feast of Christ" or "celebration of Christ", or "table of Christ" which I'm convinced in my own heart is all that the word Christmas means. But yes, His name is holy, I agree. And just to say that I agree for sure that Catholicism is in error about their doctrine of transubstantiation, but so is protestantism in error in that they come short of what the Lord's supper is, and consequently don't reverence it enough or fully receive by faith the benefits of it.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 11:04:00 GMT -5
Most of them in other languages, do not have the name of Christ attached to the feast, but in English it does so. And Christ's name is precious. Just that I don't see any irreverence in saying "feast of Christ" or "celebration of Christ", or "table of Christ" which I'm convinced in my own heart is all that the word Christmas means. But yes, His name is holy, I agree. And just to say that I agree for sure that Catholicism is in error about their doctrine of transubstantiation, but so is protestantism in error in that they come short of what the Lord's supper is, and consequently don't reverence it enough or fully receive by faith the benefits of it. I agree with the term celebration of Christ, depending on what someone means by that, but even the older Encyclopedia's associates it with the Catholic mass, when strictly talking about the word Christmas, so I think we should be careful. There is even a form which associates the word mass with meaning a dismissal. We should not take a chance, and if someone wants to truly celebrate the birth of Christ in a pure way, then get rid of all the bad roots, all the comprised associations, the reason why such and such was brought in, get rid of oh oh. And truly is the celebration of Christmas truly about Christ? Or is about saying partial truths about Christ, but mixing lies or pagan stuff to it? We know it is not a commandment, but also if done in a pure way, celebrating Christ's birth is not wrong. It is well known that many practices were adopted from paganism. And I am not against gifts themselves, but is the celebration of the birth of Christ really about Christ, or really about us receiving gifts? What if no gifts were given, would you still celebrate his birth? And remember it is his birth. And maybe the right thing to do, would be to try and celebrate it closer to the time he was actually born, rather than on a day that was purposely chosen to appease the pagans. And then we can show to the world, something that is unique, pure, without mixture, and that would be a great witness to the world, so to show the differences. God wants us to be a separate people, not like the world.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 11:33:35 GMT -5
We really need to study the word pure biblically.
God is very serious about his word.
Although Watchful I do appreciate that you mentioned the language issue, although it did not change my mind on my view, but made me think a bit, about people in Christian circles of different languages, and how things are mentioned in their language.
It is better to be prudent, than not prudent, because often times that is how things come in, with lack of prudence.
Pro 8:12 (12) I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Jer 10:2-4 (2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. (3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. (4) They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Learn not, means do not even learn it, no not at all learn it.
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Post by Giller on Jul 7, 2020 11:36:55 GMT -5
I know that there are these things today called Jesus festivals, and these specific festivals are ecumenical, which to me does not point to the Jesus of the bible, but to another Jesus.
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Post by 777 on Jul 7, 2020 11:56:27 GMT -5
Concerning this strange woman, of course she entices in the way of the world, and in the way of man made religion. And an area I want to focus on, is in the religious realm. One verse that comes to mind is this one: Gal 5:9 (9) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Now I know there was a certain subject that they were dealing with within the Galatian church, but I am using this saying in a general way, of how a little leaven, is leavening the whole lump within Christian circles. So my question is, which I know some will know the answer, what is leading people in Christian circles to accept a little leaven? And give examples, via the doctrine, and the why people accept such things. Love of sin causes people to cling to unconditional eternal security, purgatory and anhelation instead of eternal punishment for sinners.
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Post by 777 on Jul 7, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -5
I am not really concerning myself with feasts such as Michaelmas, which I would not celebrate anyways, for obvious reasons, but rather I am concerning myself with Christ's name, and how the word Christmas was formed. It is to bring attention to how we use his name, and that we should revere his name, and be careful with such an holy, and precious name. Are you saying that you see using the name Christ in association with Christmas as using God's name in a vain manner?
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Post by 777 on Jul 7, 2020 12:29:47 GMT -5
Many preachers and even people in Christian circles know the origins of the word Christmas, yet still do not take heed and just do not care, that itself is a lack of reverence, which opens the door for other things. It is about reverence, reverencing a holy God !!! That is why we need to know our word, and what moves God and what does not move God, otherwise we will just base things on men's opinions, or on well these people are against the mass, but what about being careful with his name !!! How much value do we put on his name, and how much value do we put on what men think and say ?? Yes I am against the mass, but also I am against using Christ' name in vain, and just associating it with anything. When there is a lack of care, that is a lack of reverence. many preachers and even people in christain circles now even celebrate helloween . So what is anything to them now . they take sin and put the word christain in front of it and so they try and make it all well . example , i seen those claiming they CHRISTAIN witches , they got CHRISTAIN bars , they also do divination , neocrmancy , and use christain words . they use new age worship methods and call it christain . The harvest is ripe all right , THEY NEED THE GOSPLE EVERY BIT as much as the world does . WE IN a MASSIVE falling away giller . now they even got an all inclusvie jesus . Halloween is a celebration of evil, and most Christians I know recognize that, but they celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th, regardless of the name or origins of the holiday.
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Post by 777 on Jul 7, 2020 12:44:47 GMT -5
I know that there are these things today called Jesus festivals, and these specific festivals are ecumenical, which to me does not point to the Jesus of the bible, but to another Jesus. I know you're right about that!
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 12:59:20 GMT -5
We really need to study the word pure biblically. God is very serious about his word. Although Watchful I do appreciate that you mentioned the language issue, although it did not change my mind on my view, but made me think a bit, about people in Christian circles of different languages, and how things are mentioned in their language. It is better to be prudent, than not prudent, because often times that is how things come in, with lack of prudence. Pro 8:12 (12) I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. Jer 10:2-4 (2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. (3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. (4) They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Learn not, means do not even learn it, no not at all learn it. As long as it is a celebration of Christ's birth, then I don't mind participating and don't consider it wrong....though I stop at putting up a Christmas tree because it is all too similar to the verses you posted. There is a move afoot to remove His name from the day entirely and call it nothing but "Holiday", but I keep calling it Christmas as a small witness and reminder of what I am celebrating and what I only wish others were really celebrating too. If Christmas starts to be openly associated in society with something un-Christian, like for example a pagan god, or Antichrist's birthday, and became a day to celebrate him or a pagan god, then I just would no longer participate in it at all because the meaning and purpose of it would have changed to something offensive to the Lord and my conscience. Many different religions have a holiday during that season, and it wouldn't surprise me if it started to become a celebration of "all faiths leading to God" kind of holiday, in which case I would have to give it a pass.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
We really need to study the word pure biblically. God is very serious about his word. Although Watchful I do appreciate that you mentioned the language issue, although it did not change my mind on my view, but made me think a bit, about people in Christian circles of different languages, and how things are mentioned in their language. It is better to be prudent, than not prudent, because often times that is how things come in, with lack of prudence. Pro 8:12 (12) I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. Jer 10:2-4 (2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. (3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. (4) They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Learn not, means do not even learn it, no not at all learn it. ITS a snare giller . i seen this before . and another man has warned out against it . this is yet another trick by a seducing spirit at work . They are more and more going around saying we need to relate the words to a way they can understand it in their own language . HO , me oh my bethel and many others do agree with this . NO , speak truth as is , PEROID . these folks never gonna stop trying to seduce us and they do have partial truths . WHO on earth are folks heeding these days . JUST speak truth . GOD is the one that giveth understanding .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:46:01 GMT -5
I know that there are these things today called Jesus festivals, and these specific festivals are ecumenical, which to me does not point to the Jesus of the bible, but to another Jesus. I know you're right about that!SPOT ON RIGHT . Now for a letter of appreciation . On the day of the seventh of july , giller identified a good truth . In the year of our LORD two thousand and twenty . On the said above named date , giller identified a good truth that must be heeded and on the said day triple sevens seen and agreed with it . FLEE THE HECK OUT OF THESE FAKE DEAD LOVE ECUMINICAL FESTIVALS , or end up in perdition .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:50:34 GMT -5
I boast not nor brag in myself . But i am fully delcaring all out war against the entire ecumincial movment and anything attached to it . When i say fully , that means you all aint even seen a pebble of what i am about to do or bring against this stuff . i am going out FAITHFUL TO JESUS ALONE and TO HE ALONE and ONLY . this is total death that has fully immersed itself within our churches and i will have ZERO PART OF IT . no matter if it makes me seem a hater or it costs me everything . I ALREADY HAVE ALL HOPE . JESUS IS THAT HOPE . what else comes against me , ITS ONLY GAIN . PRAISE THE KING RAISE THOSE HANDS and PRIASE THE KING . ITS TOTAL ALL OUT BATTLE TIME . CHOOSE WISELY , CHOOSE JESUS , which means HIS EVERY WORD , and the teachings of the apostles , all else is wind and vanity . and by wind i mean this . IMAGINE the largest ever recorded hurricane , a cat ten trillion and its full of fifty trillion pounds of dung . THAT IS STINKY and its dead .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:55:17 GMT -5
Concerning this strange woman, of course she entices in the way of the world, and in the way of man made religion. And an area I want to focus on, is in the religious realm. One verse that comes to mind is this one: Gal 5:9 (9) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Now I know there was a certain subject that they were dealing with within the Galatian church, but I am using this saying in a general way, of how a little leaven, is leavening the whole lump within Christian circles. So my question is, which I know some will know the answer, what is leading people in Christian circles to accept a little leaven? And give examples, via the doctrine, and the why people accept such things. Love of sin causes people to cling to unconditional eternal security, purgatory and anhelation instead of eternal punishment for sinners. YES IT DOES .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:59:17 GMT -5
call that spade a spade triple sevens . the time for beating around the bush , IT is long over . JESUS never pandered his speech to suit the hearers . HE SPOKE if they rejected , HE MOVED ON . with sayings like this , LET THEM BE , they are blind guides , any plant MY FATHER has not planted will be ROOTED UP . AND , if we wanna know what plant GOD plants . a plant o GOD , COMES TO JESUS and is a hearer and a doer of HIS sayings . FOR as HE told peter , BLESSED are you simeon , for flesh and blood DID NOT , cause it cannot , REVEAL this unto you . MY FATHER IN HEAVEN DID . And what DID HE reveal unto peter . THAT JESUS ALONE is the ONLY SAVOIR , ONLY MESSIAH , ONLY CHRIST . not just some other prophet , BUT THE MESSIAH , THE CHRIST . I SHun the all inclusive lie , right to the dung pile . FOR that is all it is . It was born of dung , is dung and that is how i regaurd it .
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