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Post by frienduff on Jun 14, 2018 15:41:01 GMT -5
Folks on both sides are teaching all out lies now . Not a single apostel contradicted anothers teaching in that bible . We got folks saying paul was false , we got folks saying James did not preach the gospel , that james and paul contradicted each other . THEY DID NOT . all out alert , all out bulletine. Men are lying more and more these days . Had james heard read pauls letter about Saved by FAITH , JUSTIFIED by faith , HE would have said PRAISE THE LORD. If paul would have read james letter, about FAITH being DEAD , HE would have said a loud AMEN . IN fact , to the osas crowd. I say this , WHERE did JAMES GET that message from . BE NOT HEARERS ONLY , Deceiving your own selves . BE DOERS . FROM JESUS HIMSELF. A MAN who hears and DOES my sayings is like a man that built his house ON the STONE but a man who hears and DOES NOT , built his house on sand . JAMES GOT that FROM JESUS . Both paul and james were in full agreement and their teachings DO NOT contradict each other . THE GOSPLE is the same for a jew as it is A gentile. THE CHURCH is the church . Men are liars today . NONE of what is in that bible is contrary to any other part. WE NEED JESUS so we can fully understand and learn HOW to see this clearly . We got paul haters , we got those who support paul , but wont stand firm on what JAMES SAID . I mean its a mad house . IF IT was written, and in that bible . ITS FOR US PEROID to edify and build us up . ITS ALL for the church sake that those doctrines were divinally inspiried And KEPT through all ages . Let no man be a liar and try and say otherwise . ITS ALL FOR OUR GOOD . EVERY LAST LINE OF IT .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 14, 2018 16:15:52 GMT -5
We got folks saying paul was false , we got folks saying James did not preach the gospel , that james and paul contradicted each other .
"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." - Matthew 5:11-12
People are with their hearts hardened. Many are not seeing the love of the truth.
"And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." - Matthew 24:12 They are more interested in defending their wicked ways than to repent and turn... to God."...that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance." - Acts 26:20
Only if they could hear it with an open heart...
"So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, saying,
‘Go to this people and say:
“Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand; And seeing you will see, and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” ’" - Acts 28:25-27
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Post by tlsitd on Jun 14, 2018 17:42:02 GMT -5
I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain...When they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for He who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. (Galatians 2:2,7-9)
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. (1 Peter 3:15-17)
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Post by John on Jun 18, 2018 11:04:35 GMT -5
Folks on both sides are teaching all out lies now . Not a single apostel contradicted anothers teaching in that bible . We got folks saying paul was false , we got folks saying James did not preach the gospel , that james and paul contradicted each other . THEY DID NOT . all out alert , all out bulletine. Men are lying more and more these days . Had james heard read pauls letter about Saved by FAITH , JUSTIFIED by faith , HE would have said PRAISE THE LORD. If paul would have read james letter, about FAITH being DEAD , HE would have said a loud AMEN . IN fact , to the osas crowd. I say this , WHERE did JAMES GET that message from . BE NOT HEARERS ONLY , Deceiving your own selves . BE DOERS . FROM JESUS HIMSELF. A MAN who hears and DOES my sayings is like a man that built his house ON the STONE but a man who hears and DOES NOT , built his house on sand . JAMES GOT that FROM JESUS . Both paul and james were in full agreement and their teachings DO NOT contradict each other . THE GOSPLE is the same for a jew as it is A gentile. THE CHURCH is the church . Men are liars today . NONE of what is in that bible is contrary to any other part. WE NEED JESUS so we can fully understand and learn HOW to see this clearly . We got paul haters , we got those who support paul , but wont stand firm on what JAMES SAID . I mean its a mad house . IF IT was written, and in that bible . ITS FOR US PEROID to edify and build us up . ITS ALL for the church sake that those doctrines were divinally inspiried And KEPT through all ages . Let no man be a liar and try and say otherwise . ITS ALL FOR OUR GOOD . EVERY LAST LINE OF IT . You have people so determined to prove they are right, when they don't have full understanding of the subject, they are willing to stoop to discrediting part of the Bible to make it fit their position. We had one guy claiming he chooses to follow Paul over James, as though the two are at odds with one another. If you have so little understanding of scripture you think the James is false or Paul is false, you need to go back to the drawing board. You are not qualified to teach.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 18, 2018 21:44:03 GMT -5
Butero you loved brother . Raise those hands and praise the LORD . This lil site is going to take care of one another , pray for one another and Give all honor and praise , all glory TO THE LORD . I am happier than rooster in a chicken coop filled with flying june bugs . You all throw those hands up and praise the LORD .
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 19, 2018 9:28:49 GMT -5
A lot of this happens because of our rejection of authority. The church is full of armchair theologians who shape a Biblical view around their own personality. Instead of transforming their mind, they keep their mind as it is and transform Scripture to agree with them.
Angry people teach about God’s judgment all day, worldly people teach about God’s blessing all day, etc. Then when they hear teaching from others (including the apostles), they don’t listen for instruction, they listen to critique.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 19, 2018 12:59:56 GMT -5
SISTER CANDACE drove the nail RIGHT IN . THAT IS exactly right . I am now asking us all, if we have learned pre mid or post trib views . To go ahead and not try and wrap your mind around mens pre conceived ideas But rather start over on it . SISTER lights had it right on . I did not learn from churches . I did not learn doctrine , theology , or eschatology . THIS IS a great blessing . My mind was simply free to just LEARN from the BIBLE and SPIRIT . This don't mean I don't need to be tested . But it does mean , WE NEED to all start fresh without the pre conceived ideals taught us in churches . You would be amazed at how fast things can become clear .
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Post by John on Jun 19, 2018 15:01:45 GMT -5
A lot of this happens because of our rejection of authority. The church is full of armchair theologians who shape a Biblical view around their own personality. Instead of transforming their mind, they keep their mind as it is and transform Scripture to agree with them. Angry people teach about God’s judgment all day, worldly people teach about God’s blessing all day, etc. Then when they hear teaching from others (including the apostles), they don’t listen for instruction, they listen to critique. You said a lot there in few words. I think there are actually people that look forward to the judgments to come and want to see the wicked destroyed. There are others that seem to want to go through the tribulation period to show that they are strong enough to stand up against the anti-Christ. I am not speaking of anyone in particular, but I have heard people say things that cause me to believe they feel that way. Are there angry people teaching judgment all the time? That certainly was the case at that Westboro Baptist Church. They were full of anger and hate.
There definitely are worldly people who spend all their time speaking of how God wants to make us all rich, and they never consider God would expect anything of his children. All of that is true, but what stands out to me is how people will oppose God's Word. It is one thing to disagree with me, or to disagree with a television preacher, but to oppose the Holy Bible is on another level. We are human, and we can all mess things up, but we are talking about God's Word. We have people smearing God. If I come out and attack something in Ephesians or 1 Peter or James or Romans, I am not attacking men, but God who inspired what they wrote. We are dealing with people who don't want the truth. They just want to make converts after themselves.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 19, 2018 16:01:43 GMT -5
But if you see the Bible as man-made a book compiled by Catholics, you can toss out whatever parts you dislike. If those famous preachers are the ones who put James in there, and you don’t trust their judgement, then why should you read James? And if you think the apostles were fallible men writing fallible teaching based on pagan Greek culture, whose original words are long-gone anyway, what difference does it make? We can all just feel God’s truth inside. And if my feeling of God’s truth doesn’t match your feeling of God’s truth, there’s no objective word to prove either of us wrong.
Voila, welcome to new-age interfaith inclusion in the church. Each Christian worships a Jesus they invent for themselves. Jesus is whoever I want Him to be. Any preacher who tells me otherwise is teaching “men’s tradition.”
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Post by tlsitd on Jun 19, 2018 16:46:28 GMT -5
And don't forget about the "red-letter" Christians. Only God can fix this mess. It's humanly hopeless. There are as many false teachings and "movements" based on the same as there are individual interpretations of the Scriptures. This is why the Holy Spirit must interpret His word to us, so that we can have the correct understanding of what we read. The Bible can't do this by itself, God has to be working with His word for the reader to get the truth out of it. And whether He does or whether He doesn't has to do with the condition of the heart of the reader, and what he or she is doing with His word.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 19, 2018 19:20:48 GMT -5
That is what the whole agenda of satan and his all inclusive new age was all about . Make the bible seem so hard to understand , THAT you sit under one of satans all inclusive high and mighty ones . What sister Candace said is RIGHT ON . This whole agenda was about creating a PERSONAL JESUS that fits each person . You do know , never once have I found a person that made JESUS into their personal suit my desires , HAS ever been solid based ON the FOUNDATION . IF GOD don't do the changing , ITS FUTILE . If man does the changing to pick a vending machine jesus , ITS FUTILE . This is why for years men have said , THE BIBLE is complicated , LOOK at how many denominations we have , look scholars cant even agree. THEY DID this under theguise of satan . TO create mindsets to not FULLY TRUST the bible . ONCE your mind has been tweaked to not trusting what is in that bible YOU on a DOWNHILL fall that will ONLY get worse and worse . THE bible is not complicated , IF WE truly have Christ . And in time we simply learn and grow in grace and understand . But many hearts get hardened by lusts . And go in search of whatever will fill that desire . AND THEY WILL FIND IT . ITS a simple walk . Not complicated . Simple . For any who sat in churches , I ask again , that we start fresh on some concepts . Start over . You will be amazed at just how far off many churches are these days on eschatology . But then I ask, WHY would we ever think one would get understanding of such things, WHEN THEY never FOLLOWED JESUS in SPIRIT and TRUTH . ONE thing I have always by grace noticed . IF ones eschatology is way off , I PROMISE if we ask the simple questions about JESUS sayings and the apostels , YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND they don't even keep that . SO if we are not standing on the ROCK ,HEARERS and DOERS . WELL, that explains a lot . This is why I am now asking us all to reconsider the views men taught on pre , mid or post . JUST start over . READ fresh for yourselves and really pray for understanding . YOU WILL RECIEVE IT . I know it can wrestle with some who sat under those ideas , but even those will see it clear in time . SISTER lights is the closest I ever seen to explaining it . And as I said , I NEVER learned from men. I by grace just read for myself and in time it comes together . Folks . My advice to us all. Do not look for a way OUT of tribulation INSTEAD LOOK TO THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL HAVE US THROUGH IT ALL. We been lied to folks . We truly have . I say this with a very heavy heart . BUT we need to start being made ready NOW IN JESUS , to not only suffer for him , BUT be prepared to die for HIM. HE WILL BE WITH US , THROUGH IT ALL .
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Post by tlsitd on Jun 19, 2018 19:55:18 GMT -5
That is what the whole agenda of satan and his all inclusive new age was all about . Make the bible seem so hard to understand , THAT you sit under one of satans all inclusive high and mighty ones . What sister Candace said is RIGHT ON . This whole agenda was about creating a PERSONAL JESUS that fits each person . You do know , never once have I found a person that made JESUS into their personal suit my desires , HAS ever been solid based ON the FOUNDATION . IF GOD don't do the changing , ITS FUTILE . If man does the changing to pick a vending machine jesus , ITS FUTILE . This is why for years men have said , THE BIBLE is complicated , LOOK at how many denominations we have , look scholars cant even agree. THEY DID this under theguise of satan . TO create mindsets to not FULLY TRUST the bible . ONCE your mind has been tweaked to not trusting what is in that bible YOU on a DOWNHILL fall that will ONLY get worse and worse . THE bible is not complicated , IF WE truly have Christ . And in time we simply learn and grow in grace and understand . But many hearts get hardened by lusts . And go in search of whatever will fill that desire . AND THEY WILL FIND IT . ITS a simple walk . Not complicated . Simple . For any who sat in churches , I ask again , that we start fresh on some concepts . Start over . You will be amazed at just how far off many churches are these days on eschatology . But then I ask, WHY would we ever think one would get understanding of such things, WHEN THEY never FOLLOWED JESUS in SPIRIT and TRUTH . ONE thing I have always by grace noticed . IF ones eschatology is way off , I PROMISE if we ask the simple questions about JESUS sayings and the apostels , YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND they don't even keep that . SO if we are not standing on the ROCK ,HEARERS and DOERS . WELL, that explains a lot . This is why I am now asking us all to reconsider the views men taught on pre , mid or post . JUST start over . READ fresh for yourselves and really pray for understanding . YOU WILL RECIEVE IT . I know it can wrestle with some who sat under those ideas , but even those will see it clear in time . SISTER lights is the closest I ever seen to explaining it . And as I said , I NEVER learned from men. I by grace just read for myself and in time it comes together . Folks . My advice to us all. Do not look for a way OUT of tribulation INSTEAD LOOK TO THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL HAVE US THROUGH IT ALL. We been lied to folks . We truly have . I say this with a very heavy heart . BUT we need to start being made ready NOW IN JESUS , to not only suffer for him , BUT be prepared to die for HIM. HE WILL BE WITH US , THROUGH IT ALL . It's the heart, Frienduff. God knows what each of us is doing with His word, and what the attitude and motives of our heart are, and He responds to us accordingly. This is why I emphasize Christians having a good conscience toward Jesus and being obedient to and faithful in using whatever understanding of His truth He has given them, so that He will continue to give them more. (And He will do it.) But if those two things aren't right, a Christian might as well just lay his or her Bible aside until they are, because they're not going to get out of it what they think they're getting out of it. Their 'light' and 'insight' will be error and deception.
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