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Post by headhurt on Jun 26, 2020 18:16:59 GMT -5
This is driven my the Emerging Church and are part of The New Apostolic Reformation A misunderstanding of the kingdom of God is a foundational error of all aspects of the emerging church. They believe that “the long-promised kingdom, spoken of by the Hebrew prophets, was established in provisional form with the coming of Jesus and the outpouring of His Spirit Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids (senior pastor Rob Bell) has the following statement of purpose: “We take great joy in partnering with God to change the world, embracing the truth that all of life is sacred.”Tony Campolo says, “Our call is to be God’s agents, to rescue not only the human race but the whole of creation”The emerging church is earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation. Typically, it gets more excited about solving the “AIDS crisis” and saving polar bears than winning lost souls.
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Post by headhurt on Jun 26, 2020 19:37:43 GMT -5
earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation and this is very far reaching into the so called Christ_Likes.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 26, 2020 20:37:58 GMT -5
Every name in that line is a mega false one . Indeed they are . False . Dont follow that movement either .
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Post by headhurt on Jun 27, 2020 14:40:01 GMT -5
God rejected his people? By no means!Where were you when it came time to replace the Jews on their way to the ovens along with the other evils they faced? Hello? Just wondering. I guess it’s okay to replace the blessings and promises God had for the Jews to the Church, but not the curses; The Jews can keep those. Just saying.Please know this. If you read that and felt a stabbing sensation in your heart, that is not condemnation; that’s conviction from the Holy Spirit. So, please repent of the satanic lie of Replacement Theology and replace it with God’s truth.This hateful and hurtful theology carries the idea that somehow Israel and her people have been forsaken by God. That somehow God long ago replaced Israel and the Jewish people with the Church and Christians because Israel turned its back on Him and, in turn, He has forsaken them I can’t stress it enough. Replacement Theology is nothing but a lie from the father of lies. Remember, Satan hates what God loves.I came across a quote from Leo Tolstoy who wrote one of the greatest novels of all time, War and Peace. Here is a quote from him pertaining to the Jews.“The Jew is the symbol of eternity. He is the one who for so long had guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear. The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”Let’s get to the truth on this matter. Let’s read what God has to say about Israel and the Jews. The truth is all that matters. Amen? His word is indeed the final authority. . Jeremiah 31:9-11 revealing just how it’s going to be. The God of Israel made a promise, and it will be completely and perfectly fulfilled just as He spoke it.With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. ‘Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands far away; say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.I take those words from Jeremiah literally. What a concept!
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Post by John on Jun 27, 2020 14:45:35 GMT -5
God rejected his people? By no means!Where were you when it came time to replace the Jews on their way to the ovens along with the other evils they faced? Hello? Just wondering. I guess it’s okay to replace the blessings and promises God had for the Jews to the Church, but not the curses; The Jews can keep those. Just saying.Please know this. If you read that and felt a stabbing sensation in your heart, that is not condemnation; that’s conviction from the Holy Spirit. So, please repent of the satanic lie of Replacement Theology and replace it with God’s truth.This hateful and hurtful theology carries the idea that somehow Israel and her people have been forsaken by God. That somehow God long ago replaced Israel and the Jewish people with the Church and Christians because Israel turned its back on Him and, in turn, He has forsaken them I can’t stress it enough. Replacement Theology is nothing but a lie from the father of lies. Remember, Satan hates what God loves.I came across a quote from Leo Tolstoy who wrote one of the greatest novels of all time, War and Peace. Here is a quote from him pertaining to the Jews.“The Jew is the symbol of eternity. He is the one who for so long had guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear. The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”Let’s get to the truth on this matter. Let’s read what God has to say about Israel and the Jews. The truth is all that matters. Amen? His word is indeed the final authority. . Jeremiah 31:9-11 revealing just how it’s going to be. The God of Israel made a promise, and it will be completely and perfectly fulfilled just as He spoke it.With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. ‘Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands far away; say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.I take those words from Jeremiah literally. What a concept! I do not think that anyone here holds to "replacement theology" like you are describing. We do hold to the idea that those who reject Jesus are cut off, but that is not Israel. Israel was not cut off, and it was not replaced. There are people today who are Jews and Christian. There are still some of the natural branches that were not cut off. There are Jews in Israel that are born again Christians. They have not been replaced.
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Post by John on Jun 27, 2020 14:46:54 GMT -5
By the way, when I say "we," I am not suggesting that every single person views Israel and the church exactly the same, but we do all hold to the Bible, including what is written in Romans.
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Post by Apostle's Instructions on Jun 27, 2020 15:10:32 GMT -5
I SAY then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I spaek to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the gentiles, I magnify mine office? If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakes of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the brances. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high-minded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness is part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall tur way ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and callings of god are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. A-men. Romans 11:1-36
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Post by headhurt on Jun 27, 2020 15:25:03 GMT -5
MMM>> Apostle's Instructions MMM> For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham MMM if you are talking and threading that you are a spiritual seed of Abraham !?! >>there is no such THING!! Enjoy
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Post by headhurt on Jun 27, 2020 15:39:47 GMT -5
I’m aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they have replaced Israel as God’s people/witnesses,used the term ‘spiritual Israel’ I do not believe in a spiritual Israel. I do not subscribe to Replacement Theology in any form, believing that God will keep every promise He has made including those made to the nation of Israel and the Jews as a people.Apostle's Instructions as the way he threaded is a JW!
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Post by John on Jun 27, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
MMM>> Apostle's Instructions MMM> For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham MMM if you are talking and threading that you are a spiritual seed of Abraham !?! >>there is no such THING!! Enjoy True Israel today are believing natural branches and believing gentiles. They are all become one Israel. That is what it says in Romans chapter 11. The Christian Church did not replace Israel, but they became part of Israel through adoption. The gentile believers were originally from the wild olive tree. When they accepted Jesus, they were cut out of the wild olive tree, and grafted into the good olive tree, Israel. The Jews were all of the good olive tree, but when Jews reject Christ, they are cut out of the good tree and are no longer Israel. If they become Christians, the Jews are grafted back into their good tree. No unbelievers, of Jewish or Gentile origin are true Israel in the sight of God. Jesus is the only way, and even when the Jews are ultimately saved, it will be because they do not continue in unbelief.
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Post by John on Jun 27, 2020 15:43:53 GMT -5
I’m aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they have replaced Israel as God’s people/witnesses,used the term ‘spiritual Israel’ I do not believe in a spiritual Israel. I do not subscribe to Replacement Theology in any form, believing that God will keep every promise He has made including those made to the nation of Israel and the Jews as a people.Apostle's Instructions as the way he threaded is a JW! Nobody here is Jehovah's Witness, and I know almost nothing about their teachings. I have never once heard that they claim they are spiritual Israel, but then again, I know almost nothing of what they teach. I never took the time to find out, given they are fed new things in The Watchtower, and I do not know that they have a single book of beliefs. Trying to connect us to cults is a losing proposition. It is something people like to do when they have nothing else to cling to. You have Romans chapter 11 before your eyes. God gave us all one method of salvation, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ. I do not care if you are Jew or Gentile, you will not be saved any other way, and Jews who reject Christ will spend eternity in the same lake of fire with Gentiles who reject Christ and the devil and his angels.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 27, 2020 21:45:01 GMT -5
I’m aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they have replaced Israel as God’s people/witnesses,used the term ‘spiritual Israel’ I do not believe in a spiritual Israel. I do not subscribe to Replacement Theology in any form, believing that God will keep every promise He has made including those made to the nation of Israel and the Jews as a people.Apostle's Instructions as the way he threaded is a JW! Nobody here is Jehovah's Witness, and I know almost nothing about their teachings. I have never once heard that they claim they are spiritual Israel, but then again, I know almost nothing of what they teach. I never took the time to find out, given they are fed new things in The Watchtower, and I do not know that they have a single book of beliefs. Trying to connect us to cults is a losing proposition. It is something people like to do when they have nothing else to cling to. You have Romans chapter 11 before your eyes. God gave us all one method of salvation, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ. I do not care if you are Jew or Gentile, you will not be saved any other way, and Jews who reject Christ will spend eternity in the same lake of fire with Gentiles who reject Christ and the devil and his angels. SOUND IT OUT MY FRIEND . ALWAYS TO THE BIBLE DO WE POINT . AMEN . men can keep their teachings , we Cling to Christ and that bible .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 27, 2020 22:20:00 GMT -5
John you tore outta that place like you head was on fire . but i had to get said what needed to be said . Many are in grave danger . remeber that always . I left a response or two .
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