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Post by watchful on Sept 8, 2020 19:10:15 GMT -5
One thing about this. Jesus Christ is the one who will judge us all in the end, so it is not up to us to show mercy when it comes to who enters heaven and who enters hell. We are simply to teach the things in the Bible, as written. If Jesus Christ sees a person's heart, and determines they should enter heaven, they will. It is not my place to offer people assurance or hope they can do things that are not right and still make it because God has not finished with them yet. I am just to give the message straight as the Bible says. If that makes them fearful, the Bible says we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, so that is a good thing. That may be what it takes to bring them to true repentance. The only kind of grace I can offer people is within what authority I have, not authority I do not have, and only Jesus Christ will say who enters heaven and has an inheritance there.
sister you gotta see this is true . Mercy is true mercy according to GOD . mercy does not entail we keep company or make exuse for error . GOD DONT . and i got news , HEIS FAR MORE MERCIFUL than man . BUT HIS MERCY is tied into , REPETANCE . yeah . let us figure that one out and ponder on it . IF One repents , well GOD giveth mercy . What do you think happens if one repents not , DOES GOD STILL GIVE THEM MERCY , OR JUDGMENT . exactly . JOHN , I charge thee before GOD and the holy angels , TO ONLY STEP THIS KIND OF WARNING UP . WE IN TROUBLE MAN . And we cannot go down a path that puts feelings over truth . Mercy is forgiveness.....and giving to someone what they don't deserve. Keeping no record of wrongs.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 8, 2020 19:15:23 GMT -5
sister you gotta see this is true . Mercy is true mercy according to GOD . mercy does not entail we keep company or make exuse for error . GOD DONT . and i got news , HEIS FAR MORE MERCIFUL than man . BUT HIS MERCY is tied into , REPETANCE . yeah . let us figure that one out and ponder on it . IF One repents , well GOD giveth mercy . What do you think happens if one repents not , DOES GOD STILL GIVE THEM MERCY , OR JUDGMENT . exactly . JOHN , I charge thee before GOD and the holy angels , TO ONLY STEP THIS KIND OF WARNING UP . WE IN TROUBLE MAN . And we cannot go down a path that puts feelings over truth . Mercy is forgiveness.....and giving to someone what they don't deserve. Keeping no record of wrongs. That is big time correct my sister . But if one refuses the mercy of GOD when HE also warns them to repent . I wouldnt expect mercy after that . AKA , if one is error , seriously and gravely and however you can , have them repent asap . And if they heed you not , DO what jESUS said too do or paul and others . Cast them outta the church till repentance is made . Now that is BIBLICAL . BUT you are spot on right about MERCY SISTER . IT SURE IS .
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Post by watchful on Sept 8, 2020 19:18:46 GMT -5
"Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Think about it a minute. I'm pretty sure the things we repent of don't even come close to the things we don't know about and therefore can't repent of. God through Christ is extending great mercy and longsuffering towards His people, more than we realize...and we are to do likewise...but He is looking for our hearts to be perfect towards Him, sincere and obeying all that we know how to. If we sin obvious sins then of course we need to repent and stop it, otherwise dont' expect blessing and a happy ending. If anyone is comfortable sinning one would have to wonder how whole-hearted they are. God is not mocked. And when the Lord starts shining His light deeper into the dark corners of our heart, that we don't yet know about, then start repenting of those things to get the inside of our cup cleaned, as well as the outside. That is the way we grow, as the Lord leads and as He shines His light. Anyway, that's my understanding of it, and on-going experience as well. Jesus never says that if the people who called for his execution did not repent, they would be okay because he prayed that prayer. They were still lost. Same thing goes for Stephen's prayer. That was just them choosing not to hold unforgiveness towards those who wronged them. It was not saying they would go to heaven if they died without repenting because they did not understand their actions. The angry mob did not even believe in Jesus. How could they be heading anywhere but hell, prayer or not? My point was just that Jesus forgave them without repentance, and interceded for them. The Father will not hold it against them at the judgment.....though they will have other things against them if they do not come to Christ. I believe Jesus was forgiving the Romans who were crucifying Him, not the Jewish religious leaders who had rejected Him and handed Him over to be crucified, sadly...because He had earlier said upon them would come all the righteous blood that had been slain.
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Post by watchful on Sept 8, 2020 19:20:51 GMT -5
Mercy is forgiveness.....and giving to someone what they don't deserve. Keeping no record of wrongs. That is big time correct my sister . But if one refuses the mercy of GOD when HE also warns them to repent . I wouldnt expect mercy after that . AKA , if one is error , seriously and gravely and however you can , have them repent asap . And if they heed you not , DO what jESUS said too do or paul and others . Cast them outta the church till repentance is made . Now that is BIBLICAL . BUT you are spot on right about MERCY SISTER . IT SURE IS . Sure, but I think we are talking past each other...you are talking about one thing and I'm talking about something else. Apples and oranges.
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Post by watchful on Sept 8, 2020 19:35:26 GMT -5
One additional thing I need to point out. Jesus Christ does have the power and authority to forgive sins. If he did want to grant a full pardon to anyone, He can do that, but I am not free to tell people they should not be fearful because Jesus is merciful. I have no way of knowing when those pardons may be given. Something I learned not that long ago....Jesus has given us authority to forgive sins too. We have taken up His mantle on earth and are here to extend His mercy and forgiveness to others. Jhn 20:22-23 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. I believe there may be instances where we are to withhold forgiveness though, in instances where discipline is needed, eg, if someone in the church is committing gross sins and refuses to change their ways. Giving them over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh until they repent....is because of forgiveness being withheld until they repent. Understand this is to be led by the Holy Spirit though, not our flesh or what seemeth right to us.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 8, 2020 19:52:37 GMT -5
That is big time correct my sister . But if one refuses the mercy of GOD when HE also warns them to repent . I wouldnt expect mercy after that . AKA , if one is error , seriously and gravely and however you can , have them repent asap . And if they heed you not , DO what jESUS said too do or paul and others . Cast them outta the church till repentance is made . Now that is BIBLICAL . BUT you are spot on right about MERCY SISTER . IT SURE IS . Sure, but I think we are talking past each other...you are talking about one thing and I'm talking about something else. Apples and oranges. probably so sister . we might very well be .
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