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Post by Giller on Sept 21, 2020 8:53:53 GMT -5
I was looking into a certain scripture the other day, which was this one:
Luk 8:16-18 (16) No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. (17) For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. (18) Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
There are other verses that seem to cover to take heed what ye hear, but this one seems to cover to take heed how, how, how, ye hear.
I read a very interesting comment on this, which here it is:
(Joseph Benson)
(Luke 8:16-18
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, &c. — See on Mat_5:15; and Mar_4:21. Nothing is secret, &c. — See on Mat_10:26. Take heed, therefore, how ye hear. In Mar_4:24, it is, Take heed what you hear. As it is the indispensable duty of all ministers of the Word to take heed what they preach, 1st, That their doctrine be true, that they may not deceive their hearers. 2d, That it be important, that they may not trifle with them: and, 3d, That it be suitable to their state and character; that they rightly divide the word of truth, and give to every description of hearers their portion of meat in due season; so it concerns all hearers to take heed what they hear. They must not take it for granted that what they hear is true, important, and suited to their state and character: but must bring it to the test of the Holy Scriptures, and examine it thereby; and for that purpose, must endeavour to make themselves well acquainted with the Scriptures: and if they find that, according to the divine oracles, the doctrine which they hear answers the above description, they must so take heed what they hear, as to attend to, and consider it well, that they may thoroughly understand and lay it to heart, and that it may have its designed effect upon their spirit and conduct.
But, according to Luke here, our Lord’s caution, inferred from the preceding parable, implied another thing equally important, Take heed how ye hear — 1st, That you do not hear so inattentively, and in such a prayerless state of mind, as not to understand, nor afterward meditate on what your hear, and so receive the seed as by the way-side. See on Mat_13:19. 2d, That having heard, and understood in a measure what you heard, and being affected thereby, you do not rest in any ineffectual and transient impressions made on your mind, and therefore be offended and fall away in time of trial and temptation; but that the truth may take deep root in your mind, and that you may have root in yourself. See on Mat_13:20-21. Take heed, 3d, That you guard against the cares of the world, the love of deceitful riches, the vain pleasures of life, and desires after other things; those pernicious weeds, which in so many choke the springing blade, or forming ear, so that no fruit is brought forth to perfection....)
So we must take heed to what we hear and how we hear.
It is important that we approach the word of God carefully, in how we receive it.
One verse I think about is this:
Jas 4:6-7 (6) But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. (7) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Never approach, or seek to receive the word of God from a prideful attitude, always approach from a submissive heart towards the Lord, and from a humble attitude, were you just surrender to his word, and let him do his work.
Allowing God to do as he will, and not as we will.
Allowing him to break our fallow ground, and receiving the word of God from an honest heart, therefore bringing forth fruit.
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Post by John on Sept 21, 2020 9:59:06 GMT -5
That is very interesting. I need to examine that closer.
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Post by watchful on Sept 21, 2020 12:55:26 GMT -5
I was looking into a certain scripture the other day, which was this one: Luk 8:16-18 (16) No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. (17) For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. (18) Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have. There are other verses that seem to cover to take heed what ye hear, but this one seems to cover to take heed how, how, how, ye hear. I read a very interesting comment on this, which here it is: (Joseph Benson)
(Luke 8:16-18
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, &c. — See on Mat_5:15; and Mar_4:21. Nothing is secret, &c. — See on Mat_10:26. Take heed, therefore, how ye hear. In Mar_4:24, it is, Take heed what you hear. As it is the indispensable duty of all ministers of the Word to take heed what they preach, 1st, That their doctrine be true, that they may not deceive their hearers. 2d, That it be important, that they may not trifle with them: and, 3d, That it be suitable to their state and character; that they rightly divide the word of truth, and give to every description of hearers their portion of meat in due season; so it concerns all hearers to take heed what they hear. They must not take it for granted that what they hear is true, important, and suited to their state and character: but must bring it to the test of the Holy Scriptures, and examine it thereby; and for that purpose, must endeavour to make themselves well acquainted with the Scriptures: and if they find that, according to the divine oracles, the doctrine which they hear answers the above description, they must so take heed what they hear, as to attend to, and consider it well, that they may thoroughly understand and lay it to heart, and that it may have its designed effect upon their spirit and conduct. But, according to Luke here, our Lord’s caution, inferred from the preceding parable, implied another thing equally important, Take heed how ye hear — 1st, That you do not hear so inattentively, and in such a prayerless state of mind, as not to understand, nor afterward meditate on what your hear, and so receive the seed as by the way-side. See on Mat_13:19. 2d, That having heard, and understood in a measure what you heard, and being affected thereby, you do not rest in any ineffectual and transient impressions made on your mind, and therefore be offended and fall away in time of trial and temptation; but that the truth may take deep root in your mind, and that you may have root in yourself. See on Mat_13:20-21. Take heed, 3d, That you guard against the cares of the world, the love of deceitful riches, the vain pleasures of life, and desires after other things; those pernicious weeds, which in so many choke the springing blade, or forming ear, so that no fruit is brought forth to perfection....)So we must take heed to what we hear and how we hear.
It is important that we approach the word of God carefully, in how we receive it.
One verse I think about is this:
Jas 4:6-7 (6) But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. (7) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Never approach, or seek to receive the word of God from a prideful attitude, always approach from a submissive heart towards the Lord, and from a humble attitude, were you just surrender to his word, and let him do his work.
Allowing God to do as he will, and not as we will.
Allowing him to break our fallow ground, and receiving the word of God from an honest heart, therefore bringing forth fruit.
Mat 13:9-16 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 21, 2020 21:17:55 GMT -5
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
what ever you hear... you do not ever just accept it... you see if it lines up with the bible.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 22, 2020 6:47:38 GMT -5
Just to add a counter-balance, the Bereans were not hyper skeptical. They received the word with joy and searched the Scriptures to see for themselves. They weren’t putting Paul on trial, they were looking at his evidence. Too often when we listen to preaching, we weigh the sermon against our predecided doctrine, to the point that we are hardened against anything new.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 22, 2020 7:49:37 GMT -5
Just to add a counter-balance, the Bereans were not hyper skeptical. They received the word with joy and searched the Scriptures to see for themselves. They weren’t putting Paul on trial, they were looking at his evidence. Too often when we listen to preaching, we weigh the sermon against our predecided doctrine, to the point that we are hardened against anything new. I am skeptical because of so many these days who preach outright osas, or those who preach and it sounds like they dance all around it which is just preparing you to believe it.
we had a guest speaker come to the church i go to and he spoke with a good many osas highlights, some were true some stuff was out there. my whole church had several meetings and discussions about that one sermon. even my Pastor agreed that some of the things he said was not agreeable to scripture. these conversations went on for about a month, and the first convos were slightly... heated. most in the church were not swayed due to scripture.
now let me be clear, i do not say all that to disagree with you. i can say i am stubborn on some stuff and i can see where your words are true. but thats not why i posted that scripture. i used to watch the preachers on tv. i remember watching them one by one as the prosperity and faith doctrine infected them. Rod parsely was one of the last ones to be infected. and with each one ... it was sad to see as their message went from Jesus to sending money money money. i remember the first church i went to... how disgusted i felt, how angry i felt when i realized they had been spoon feeding me that mess. and by mess i mean hot and steamy clumps on a horse farm. there are lots of false teachers out there today, and i think we should be vigilant on being careful on the messages we accept as when we begin our journey we all have a foundation, which is Christ. and what we build upon that will determine what when tried with fire what will stand or burn. those false teachings will not stand and when the rubber meets the road... they just dont hold up like cheap continetal tires on hot texas highways. and thats where people either give up or as the kjv puts it... faint. they loose faith. OR we cry out to God only to be told truth... and then some will give up as "its just to hard" in that "your way is not equal". some will cling and press in and shed those false teachings. some ... you dont see them no more in church, and when you see them out and about in life... they aint living it no more. bottom line is false teachings have the potential to kill. they are lethal. snake venom. at the least it hurts real bad, at the most you die. and thus, just like those in Berea.. we should have readiness of mind... but we should verify it in scripture. especially the new stuff we have not learned yet. especially that stuff. it can get you in a ditch real quick with some of the things being taught, these days.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 22, 2020 19:26:51 GMT -5
Just to add a counter-balance, the Bereans were not hyper skeptical. They received the word with joy and searched the Scriptures to see for themselves. They weren’t putting Paul on trial, they were looking at his evidence. Too often when we listen to preaching, we weigh the sermon against our predecided doctrine, to the point that we are hardened against anything new. so i meditated on this during the day, after my last post to you... i think what you are saying is explaining the "readiness of mind" part.
i dont think i really understood what you said until later in the day.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 23, 2020 6:10:21 GMT -5
Just to add a counter-balance, the Bereans were not hyper skeptical. They received the word with joy and searched the Scriptures to see for themselves. They weren’t putting Paul on trial, they were looking at his evidence. Too often when we listen to preaching, we weigh the sermon against our predecided doctrine, to the point that we are hardened against anything new. so i meditated on this during the day, after my last post to you... i think what you are saying is explaining the "readiness of mind" part.
i dont think i really understood what you said until later in the day.
Yes it was that, and also the fact that the Bereans were persuaded to believe Paul’s message. It was actually an example of minds being changed because of Bible evidence.
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Post by watchful on Sept 23, 2020 10:59:19 GMT -5
I read that Acts 17:11 verse as meaning something along the lines of having the witness of the Spirit, not resisting the Spirit, but also confirming it with the word of God. It sounds like those of Thessalonica were rejecting some things outright because their hearts weren't right, without even bothering to check the scriptures and seeking the Lord.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 23, 2020 11:41:01 GMT -5
I read that Acts 17:11 verse as meaning something along the lines of having the witness of the Spirit, not resisting the Spirit, but also confirming it with the word of God. It sounds like those of Thessalonica were rejecting some things outright because their hearts weren't right, without even bothering to check the scriptures and seeking the Lord. These were more noble , in that THEY RECIEVED , that is the KEY , THEY RECIEVED the Word of GOD and tested the scriptures . Sounds like those in thessalonica were not even receiving it to begin with . THEY just resisted it . This is the key my dear sister . Most folks just resist the truth . they wont even bother to check the scrips to see if its true . THEY JUST follow the leader . It all boils down to , Whose eyes did GOD OPEN . I see this all the time dear sister . I can beg , plead and whatever , but most folks wont heed , wont even bother to test the scrips , they just cling to what men have taught them . By golly if todd white says its true , ITS TRUE they think . OR by golly if these wise men in pulpits tell us so , ITS SO . THEY wont recieve truth and they wont even bother TRULY TESTING if what is said is true or not . BUT they quick to hear some NEW THING . SOME NEW WAY , SOME NEW MOVE OF GOD . I shudder in terror for folks like that . Terror . Dont folks know the days we are in . And dont folks know this means if we thought there were decievers in pauls day , You better magnify TODAY . They all over the entire houses of christendom . Always some new move , some new hope , some new way . its all they got . THEY just dont know THE WAY .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 23, 2020 11:48:15 GMT -5
Always some new move . ALways some new thing . Folks the chances are more and far more likely if you watching ANYONE who has any kind of popularity among the church , You viewing a false one . No matter what truths they can bring in . And there is a difference between being well known and being popular . PAUL was well known , but was not popular amongst the crowd . The charlatons on tbn and many other places are both well known and popular . And beware for even the false speak against the false . Ye shall know them by their fruits . not words alone , but fruits . One of the good tree dont keep company and or support those of the bad tree . THAT is a massive sign . Lets ask giller , cletus and some others . HEY GILLER , would you SUPPORT KENNETH COPELAND and tell the church that is your spiritual Father . THEN why on earth do we make excuse for any one else who does so . SPECIALLY if they leading THE CHURCH . These are things i am greatly concered with . cause i know how them false ones work . OH they might not agree on everything , but support each other they do and the common cause they do agree on , the common cause being this unity stuff . that is where they agree and meet on .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 23, 2020 11:52:45 GMT -5
I am simply reminding everyone here of what to be on gaurd against . You test anyone you listen too . Test their doctrine , test who they keep company with and support . Because many decievers have and can creep in , and they appear as men of righteouness , yet who do they keep company with and support . THAT will be A RED FLAG . Because no one here would call kenneth their spiritual father , nor desire unity with francis . yet many leaders support such stuff . and slowly get those under them headed right into that trap . We must be on gaurd only more so in these days . Let us follow JESUS and be testing all and watching also who they support and keep company with . Birds of a feather flock together .
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Post by Giller on Sept 23, 2020 12:12:03 GMT -5
Always some new move . ALways some new thing . Folks the chances are more and far more likely if you watching ANYONE who has any kind of popularity among the church , You viewing a false one . No matter what truths they can bring in . And there is a difference between being well known and being popular . PAUL was well known , but was not popular amongst the crowd . The charlatons on tbn and many other places are both well known and popular . And beware for even the false speak against the false . Ye shall know them by their fruits . not words alone , but fruits . One of the good tree dont keep company and or support those of the bad tree . THAT is a massive sign . Lets ask giller , cletus and some others . HEY GILLER , would you SUPPORT KENNETH COPELAND and tell the church that is your spiritual Father . THEN why on earth do we make excuse for any one else who does so . SPECIALLY if they leading THE CHURCH . These are things i am greatly concered with . cause i know how them false ones work . OH they might not agree on everything , but support each other they do and the common cause they do agree on , the common cause being this unity stuff . that is where they agree and meet on . Nope I will not support Copeland, nor call him my spiritual father.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 23, 2020 13:57:34 GMT -5
so i meditated on this during the day, after my last post to you... i think what you are saying is explaining the "readiness of mind" part.
i dont think i really understood what you said until later in the day.
Yes it was that, and also the fact that the Bereans were persuaded to believe Paul’s message. It was actually an example of minds being changed because of Bible evidence. oh... you mean like my mind was changed by scripture evidence? lol.
i think understanding of what readiness of mind meant had evaded me somewhat until your explanation and some meditation.
edit: did i mention i am glad you are back? YOU seem to have a way of showing me things.
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Post by Giller on Sept 28, 2020 9:05:17 GMT -5
Joh 8:31-38 (31) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; (32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. (36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (37) I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. (38) I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
There obviously was a certain reason why these Jews reacted the way they did, and they said that they were Abraham's seed, they were boastful and full of pride, in fact Jesus said that the word had no place in them.
Well we who are true Christians are saved of course, but let us guard our hearts so that we do not approach God with a boastful attitude, as one of the deserving ones, the so called privileged, as if God owes us.
Many times in the faith movement they approach God from that attitude.
Yes let us cling to his word, yes his promises are yeah and amen to those that believe, but you approach God out of a submissive heart, and believing that God can fulfil his word, and trusting that he will do so.
He fulfils his word and not you.
Our faith gets tested and tried, and in those moments, or any moment, let us fully trust him, no matter what.
God is good.
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