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Post by joseph on Nov 30, 2020 15:49:34 GMT -5
that no one else on a many thousand group of 'Christians'
did not know, realize, remember, or acknowledge
what God Himself Says
that the remaining two thirds of mankind (i.e. the whole world soon or already)
worships (serves) demons.
They refuse to turn to the Creator,
they refuse to listen to Jesus or ask Jesus for help,
and they refuse to repent of worshiping demons.
The countries of the world , including the usa are not serving God, but money, and worse.
This is not a politically correct statement, and is not accepted nor acknowledged by any government I know of, including usa.
What God Said, He Said. It Has Not Changed.
Only A Remnant , only a remnant, turns to Him.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Nov 30, 2020 16:02:45 GMT -5
❝But what does the divine response say to him?
“I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.❞ - Romans 11:4-5
Well, yes, many will refuse to repent. But the call to repentance must be made anyway.
❝For they are impudent and stubborn children.
I am sending you to them, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’
As for them, whether they hear or whether they refuse — for they are a rebellious house —
yet they will know that a prophet has been among them.❞ - Ezekiel 2:4-5
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Post by joseph on Nov 30, 2020 18:07:15 GMT -5
As The Creator Directs, Always... Yes, those are not mutually exclusive --- it is truth that the whole world is enemy of God (including USA and most known churches everywhere, worldwide and in usa) ,
and
the lights(abiding in union in Jesus) in the world shine in the darkness, (draw out, call, to God's Kingdom, repentance, healing for all depression, for all the penalties of sin, for all that sin has caused ) a few may , as God Designed, Repent to be Saved in Jesus, out from the world of darkness ...
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Post by watchful on Nov 30, 2020 19:55:08 GMT -5
It's interesting though, that even though the Lord only ever has a remnant, how He called the whole nation of Israel His own, and dealt with the nation as a whole accordingly. That's why I believe we can legitimately call western nations Christian in a broad sense of the term, for that period of history when the beliefs and values of the society were at least loosely based on Christianity and the bible, even though we know most individuals in those countries were not born again.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 1, 2020 14:38:57 GMT -5
It's interesting though, that even though the Lord only ever has a remnant, how He called the whole nation of Israel His own, and dealt with the nation as a whole accordingly. That's why I believe we can legitimately call western nations Christian in a broad sense of the term, for that period of history when the beliefs and values of the society were at least loosely based on Christianity and the bible, even though we know most individuals in those countries were not born again. Better open that bible again sister . This hound is sniffing something . WHILE the part truth is GOD DID call them and in part loooked upon them as a whole . IT WASNT those who rejected HIM that HE accepted . PROPHETS cried , a prophet cried , AND GODS answer back was HE RESERVED a remnant . THE OTHERS , yeah jews too were rejected as reprobate silver . DIG SO DEEP you tunnel up to the ocean . Yeah the geographical location of where you dwell , IF you were able to dig a tunnel , the other side is ocean . I speak of the physical . Fraid i am gonna need an answer to my question . OR i should say my statement . NO CONFESSION OF JESUS as the only and only absolute means of being saved means only ONE THING . They DONT KNOW GOD , FOR GOD himself draws us to TRUE FAITH IN JESUS . What i say next will curl finger nails and even toe nails , YET TRUE IT IS . THERE IS NO BIG END TIME AWAKENING . UNLESS anyone want to call JESUS a liar , and or the apostels a liar . \ THERE IS JESUS only . AND IF WE DONT CONFESS , KNOW , KNOW BONE DEEP and more that HE alone is the only savoir . WE WONT MAKE IT . The donkey , or mule or ass , yes me the dumby of the world , KNOWS THAT . BUT if i was once so wise , so ever wordly wise , YET NOW I COUNT That as CRAP DUNG DOO DOO , and that by grace WE BETTER ALL count that trash as dung . MOUNT UP SISTER . NO MORE unequally yoked . NO MORE . CHOOSE YE this day . CHOOSE IT . MY family has shunned me to hell , BUT THEY AINT MY FAMILY . GODS PEOPLE are my family . I HAVE UNITY with only those now . IT DONT matter how much i weep for my flesh family, My company is with my true family . I SHUN the doctrine of the false ones to hell . DO NOT wait for an apology . I WILL DIE FIRST . DIE .
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Post by ohhello on Dec 1, 2020 14:42:27 GMT -5
It’s back to the bibles folks. The bible is the only way to keep us on the Narrow Way. You are all prayed for. Jesus is all our hope.
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Post by watchful on Dec 1, 2020 17:25:53 GMT -5
It's interesting though, that even though the Lord only ever has a remnant, how He called the whole nation of Israel His own, and dealt with the nation as a whole accordingly. That's why I believe we can legitimately call western nations Christian in a broad sense of the term, for that period of history when the beliefs and values of the society were at least loosely based on Christianity and the bible, even though we know most individuals in those countries were not born again. Better open that bible again sister . This hound is sniffing something . WHILE the part truth is GOD DID call them and in part loooked upon them as a whole . IT WASNT those who rejected HIM that HE accepted . PROPHETS cried , a prophet cried , AND GODS answer back was HE RESERVED a remnant . THE OTHERS , yeah jews too were rejected as reprobate silver . DIG SO DEEP you tunnel up to the ocean . Yeah the geographical location of where you dwell , IF you were able to dig a tunnel , the other side is ocean . I speak of the physical . Fraid i am gonna need an answer to my question . OR i should say my statement . NO CONFESSION OF JESUS as the only and only absolute means of being saved means only ONE THING . They DONT KNOW GOD , FOR GOD himself draws us to TRUE FAITH IN JESUS . What i say next will curl finger nails and even toe nails , YET TRUE IT IS . THERE IS NO BIG END TIME AWAKENING . UNLESS anyone want to call JESUS a liar , and or the apostels a liar . \ THERE IS JESUS only . AND IF WE DONT CONFESS , KNOW , KNOW BONE DEEP and more that HE alone is the only savoir . WE WONT MAKE IT . The donkey , or mule or ass , yes me the dumby of the world , KNOWS THAT . BUT if i was once so wise , so ever wordly wise , YET NOW I COUNT That as CRAP DUNG DOO DOO , and that by grace WE BETTER ALL count that trash as dung . MOUNT UP SISTER . NO MORE unequally yoked . NO MORE . CHOOSE YE this day . CHOOSE IT . MY family has shunned me to hell , BUT THEY AINT MY FAMILY . GODS PEOPLE are my family . I HAVE UNITY with only those now . IT DONT matter how much i weep for my flesh family, My company is with my true family . I SHUN the doctrine of the false ones to hell . DO NOT wait for an apology . I WILL DIE FIRST . DIE . I don't know what on earth you are reading into my comment there brother. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus then I believe we can call the country Christian without being deceived as to the true spiritual condition of members of the population or confusing the country and its government with God's kingdom come to earth. Jesus came to "His own" but His own received Him not....He called the nation of Israel His own even though the nation as a whole spent more time in apostasy than not, and only a relative few individuals had true faith down through it's history. It was just food for thought on that one little point just in case anyone misconstrues when someone uses the term Christian or Christendom to loosely describe an earthly country or countries.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 1, 2020 17:31:16 GMT -5
Better open that bible again sister . This hound is sniffing something . WHILE the part truth is GOD DID call them and in part loooked upon them as a whole . IT WASNT those who rejected HIM that HE accepted . PROPHETS cried , a prophet cried , AND GODS answer back was HE RESERVED a remnant . THE OTHERS , yeah jews too were rejected as reprobate silver . DIG SO DEEP you tunnel up to the ocean . Yeah the geographical location of where you dwell , IF you were able to dig a tunnel , the other side is ocean . I speak of the physical . Fraid i am gonna need an answer to my question . OR i should say my statement . NO CONFESSION OF JESUS as the only and only absolute means of being saved means only ONE THING . They DONT KNOW GOD , FOR GOD himself draws us to TRUE FAITH IN JESUS . What i say next will curl finger nails and even toe nails , YET TRUE IT IS . THERE IS NO BIG END TIME AWAKENING . UNLESS anyone want to call JESUS a liar , and or the apostels a liar . \ THERE IS JESUS only . AND IF WE DONT CONFESS , KNOW , KNOW BONE DEEP and more that HE alone is the only savoir . WE WONT MAKE IT . The donkey , or mule or ass , yes me the dumby of the world , KNOWS THAT . BUT if i was once so wise , so ever wordly wise , YET NOW I COUNT That as CRAP DUNG DOO DOO , and that by grace WE BETTER ALL count that trash as dung . MOUNT UP SISTER . NO MORE unequally yoked . NO MORE . CHOOSE YE this day . CHOOSE IT . MY family has shunned me to hell , BUT THEY AINT MY FAMILY . GODS PEOPLE are my family . I HAVE UNITY with only those now . IT DONT matter how much i weep for my flesh family, My company is with my true family . I SHUN the doctrine of the false ones to hell . DO NOT wait for an apology . I WILL DIE FIRST . DIE . I don't know what on earth you are reading into my comment there brother. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus then I believe we can call the country Christian without being deceived as to the true spiritual condition of members of the population or confusing the country and its government with God's kingdom come to earth. Jesus came to "His own" but His own received Him not....He called the nation of Israel His own even though the nation as a whole spent more time in apostasy than not, and only a relative few individuals had true faith down through it's history. It was just food for thought on that one little point just in case anyone misconstrues when someone uses the term Christian or Christendom to loosely describe an earthly country or countries. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus then I believe we can call the country Christian AND how many churches spout the same thing . That they TOO hold to christianity , that they too tout the bible , YET THE FALSE SISTER . ME NO BUY no LIE .
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Post by joseph on Dec 1, 2020 17:34:39 GMT -5
I don't know what on earth you are reading into my comment there brother. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus ... ... ... There is no such country seen today. (that I know of, anywhere on earth)
One country in south-west Pacific Ocean had a possible true Christian leader for what, two years recently ?
I think 80 percent of the country before, during and after was , and is muslim or other pagan religion. They always fought fiercely to keep him out of office, and to get him out of office, and to prevent him from accomplishing anything.
If as hoped he was a true Christian leader, it was a miracle of course, God Placed him in leadership. And God permitted him to be brought out of leadership, or caused it as God Pleased.
Remember there over a billion calling themselves 'Christian' who have nothing to do with Jesus at all, and cause abominations to be done every day, in the largest group (known) on earth.
Of course "we" were all (or many?) taught that we lived in a "Christian" nation. This was proven false long long ago, over a century.
It might never have been , for that matter.
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Post by watchful on Dec 1, 2020 17:37:21 GMT -5
I don't know what on earth you are reading into my comment there brother. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus then I believe we can call the country Christian without being deceived as to the true spiritual condition of members of the population or confusing the country and its government with God's kingdom come to earth. Jesus came to "His own" but His own received Him not....He called the nation of Israel His own even though the nation as a whole spent more time in apostasy than not, and only a relative few individuals had true faith down through it's history. It was just food for thought on that one little point just in case anyone misconstrues when someone uses the term Christian or Christendom to loosely describe an earthly country or countries. If a country calls itself Christian, touts the bible as its authority and makes laws according to the laws in the bible, and it's leaders participate in praying to God in the name of Jesus then I believe we can call the country Christian AND how many churches spout the same thing . That they TOO hold to christianity , that they too tout the bible , YET THE FALSE SISTER . ME NO BUY no LIE . yes, just like most in Israel were false, including the religious leaders, and yet Jesus referred to them as His own. It doesn't mean they were saved, of course not.
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Post by watchful on Dec 1, 2020 17:54:07 GMT -5
Think I'll just remind that the term Christian is man-made in case it helps, and then leave it at that. It's not a God-given designation for saved persons that we are somehow in the wrong if we apply it those who are culturally Christian but not necessarily saved. Don't know how else to explain this, I'm sorry.
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Post by joseph on Dec 1, 2020 18:08:31 GMT -5
Think I'll just remind that the term Christian is man-made in case it helps, and then leave it at that. It's not a God-given designation for saved persons that we are somehow in the wrong if we apply it those who are culturally Christian but not necessarily saved. Don't know how else to explain this, I'm sorry. Simple, really. The "Christian" world is opposed to Jesus. The seeming "Christian" worldwide church(es) are opposed to Jesus as written and as described in Scripture.
The music called "Christian" has nothing to do with serving God in spirit and in truth at all; instead providing many distractions "seeming right to a man" but leading to destruction, away from Jesus.
All the world is deceived, as in the days of Noah, as in Sodom and Gomorrah, as written throughout the Bible.
At most only two times in history was more or most of the people on earth even looking to the Creator, The One True God.
Certainly not in the last two thousand years, as written, as seen in the Bible and as seen in the actions of the world's population(s).
"Culturally Christian" is perfectly acceptable to the devil and to the world at large." Thus, also, as written, condemned by God.
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Post by watchful on Dec 2, 2020 7:54:06 GMT -5
It does seem from scripture that the Lord judges not just individuals but families, tribes, cities, as well as nations, as a whole. Blessings and curses according to their ways as a whole. As well as the world as whole.
Its hard for me to accept that the United States of America and other western nations could have been considered to be actually heathen on the whole for most of its history since its inception (until perhaps recently). People at least had a mental belief in Jesus/God, they learned the bible, endeavoured to conduct themselves accordingly; they prayed at least corporately, most went to Christian meetings and services, gave to the poor and to missionary efforts, etc. My impression is that crime rates were low and immorality was not predominant like it is nowadays and neighbours helped neighbours....the nation reaped blessings at least as far as this life goes, not saying they had eternal life. Could it be that those nations were leavened with the gospel, like the woman kneading the three measures of meal.
They were not all born again, but I wonder if we should entirely ignore and write off the fact that Christianity was the predominant belief....though of course, not all were saved in terms of having eternal life....yet on the other hand I wonder whether God writes those nations off as being heathen, but perhaps judges them as "His own", like He did Israel, perhaps more strictly than heathen nations. I just dont' see how the western world could be considered pagan when pagan beliefs and practices and behaviour were not predominant in those nations/cultures, but Christian belief was predominant.
Mat 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Luk 9:49-50 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
One question I have in regards to these things, is if the gospel is taken from the western nations and those nations are judged, will that mean the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and over with?
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Post by joseph on Dec 2, 2020 10:55:39 GMT -5
It does seem from scripture that the Lord judges not just individuals but families, tribes, cities, as well as nations, as a whole. Blessings and curses according to their ways as a whole. As well as the world as whole. Its hard for me to accept that the United States of America and other western nations could have been considered to be actually heathen on the whole for most of its history since its inception (until perhaps recently). People at least had a mental belief in Jesus/God, they learned the bible, endeavoured to conduct themselves accordingly; they prayed at least corporately, most went to Christian meetings and services, gave to the poor and to missionary efforts, etc. My impression is that crime rates were low and immorality was not predominant like it is nowadays and neighbours helped neighbours....the nation reaped blessings at least as far as this life goes, not saying they had eternal life. Could it be that those nations were leavened with the gospel, like the woman kneading the three measures of meal. They were not all born again, but I wonder if we should entirely ignore and write off the fact that Christianity was the predominant belief....though of course, not all were saved in terms of having eternal life....yet on the other hand I wonder whether God writes those nations off as being heathen, but perhaps judges them as "His own", like He did Israel, perhaps more strictly than heathen nations. I just dont' see how the western world could be considered pagan when pagan beliefs and practices and behaviour were not predominant in those nations/cultures, but Christian belief was predominant. Mat 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Luk 9:49-50 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.One question I have in regards to these things, is if the gospel is taken from the western nations and those nations are judged, will that mean the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and over with? What did you believe or think was the "times of the Gentiles"? Throughout history, most all the gentiles were without Christ and opposed to Jesus, and taught that that was good/ okay/ no worries.
When did you think the "western nations" ever even 'had' the Gospel , let alone delivered the Truth to anyone, anywhere ? (instead of delivering and living a false gospel, opposed to truth, rejecting truth, preventing as many as possible from ever turning to Jesus)
I once thought, when in the first three years of "first love" / total enthrallment with the Creator in Jesus/ completely immersed in Jesus, in Scripture, in Union in Him as Written in the New Testament,
yes, I once thought, before learning from Him the Truth, that anywhere I went in / across the usa, all the churches would be great places for fellowship. I actually thought , as taught in error, they were all saved, and that I was the last one out of all of them saved, finally ! ..... I thought and 'felt' that anyplace I went and sang and prayed with others called 'Christian', was God's People Together....
(maybe that is the best way to think ? So free, so hopeful ... ... so UNjudgmental )
but,
not true. They broke my heart over and over... as I watched them over and over daily deny Jesus, over and over daily they reject Jesus' Word;
over and over daily, day after day after day, for decades, they go from worse to worse, becoming more wicked (as written in the Bible),
day after day after day, they follow men who are false teachers, leading them further astray... (including the most popular, btw).... and
they OPENLY ADMIT THIS, when questioned in person, they do not use the Word of the Creator, the Bible, as their STANDARD, nor as LIGHT, nor as a guide, nor do they turn to the Father in Heaven away from their rampant sinfulness and wickedness and evil deeds (greed, adultery, lying, avarice, divorce, perversion, idolatry) -- so much idolatry taught as if it is good, fine with 'god', good to do....
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Post by watchful on Dec 2, 2020 13:05:13 GMT -5
It does seem from scripture that the Lord judges not just individuals but families, tribes, cities, as well as nations, as a whole. Blessings and curses according to their ways as a whole. As well as the world as whole. Its hard for me to accept that the United States of America and other western nations could have been considered to be actually heathen on the whole for most of its history since its inception (until perhaps recently). People at least had a mental belief in Jesus/God, they learned the bible, endeavoured to conduct themselves accordingly; they prayed at least corporately, most went to Christian meetings and services, gave to the poor and to missionary efforts, etc. My impression is that crime rates were low and immorality was not predominant like it is nowadays and neighbours helped neighbours....the nation reaped blessings at least as far as this life goes, not saying they had eternal life. Could it be that those nations were leavened with the gospel, like the woman kneading the three measures of meal. They were not all born again, but I wonder if we should entirely ignore and write off the fact that Christianity was the predominant belief....though of course, not all were saved in terms of having eternal life....yet on the other hand I wonder whether God writes those nations off as being heathen, but perhaps judges them as "His own", like He did Israel, perhaps more strictly than heathen nations. I just dont' see how the western world could be considered pagan when pagan beliefs and practices and behaviour were not predominant in those nations/cultures, but Christian belief was predominant. Mat 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Luk 9:49-50 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.One question I have in regards to these things, is if the gospel is taken from the western nations and those nations are judged, will that mean the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and over with? What did you believe or think was the "times of the Gentiles"? Throughout history, most all the gentiles were without Christ and opposed to Jesus, and taught that that was good/ okay/ no worries.
When did you think the "western nations" ever even 'had' the Gospel , let alone delivered the Truth to anyone, anywhere ? (instead of delivering and living a false gospel, opposed to truth, rejecting truth, preventing as many as possible from ever turning to Jesus)
I once thought, when in the first three years of "first love" / total enthrallment with the Creator in Jesus/ completely immersed in Jesus, in Scripture, in Union in Him as Written in the New Testament,
yes, I once thought, before learning from Him the Truth, that anywhere I went in / across the usa, all the churches would be great places for fellowship. I actually thought , as taught in error, they were all saved, and that I was the last one out of all of them saved, finally ! ..... I thought and 'felt' that anyplace I went and sang and prayed with others called 'Christian', was God's People Together....
(maybe that is the best way to think ? So free, so hopeful ... ... so UNjudgmental )
but,
not true. They broke my heart over and over... as I watched them over and over daily deny Jesus, over and over daily they reject Jesus' Word;
over and over daily, day after day after day, for decades, they go from worse to worse, becoming more wicked (as written in the Bible),
day after day after day, they follow men who are false teachers, leading them further astray... (including the most popular, btw).... and
they OPENLY ADMIT THIS, when questioned in person, they do not use the Word of the Creator, the Bible, as their STANDARD, nor as LIGHT, nor as a guide, nor do they turn to the Father in Heaven away from their rampant sinfulness and wickedness and evil deeds (greed, adultery, lying, avarice, divorce, perversion, idolatry) -- so much idolatry taught as if it is good, fine with 'god', good to do....
Agree brother. But these things were true of the church's ensample Israel as well, were they not? (who Jesus nevertheless called His own)
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