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Post by joseph on Dec 2, 2020 13:43:59 GMT -5
I never thought, and do not think, the gentiles ever achieved nor held at any time , per se, the same position with the Creator and Jesus
as the Jews,
except for the remnant as described in Scripture, a small (few) part of the gentile nations (although possibly even a billion or so, not-with-standing no part of the roman pagan group(s) ) . If ever there were more (of a gentile nation) saved than seen , that is possible, as the news of the truth is so much prevented/ covered up/ on purpose (by the world).
Still, it appears clear it has always been a minority, a "few", truthfully abiding in Jesus, and many multitudes opposed to Jesus.
Oh, yes, the Creator did raise up countries, nations, peoples, and leaders as He Pleased To Do, To Do His Plan, without credit to those countries, nations, peoples or leaders..... as He Likewise did in the OT/TORAH.
Currently, as written (see the end of the Book) , the wicked are (have been) becoming more wicked, the righteous (have been) becoming more righteous..... culminating as God Planned, as God Describes in all Scripture, His Purpose.....
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Post by watchful on Dec 2, 2020 14:31:18 GMT -5
The Jewish/Gentile one man church is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world. The least in Christ's kingdom is greater than the greatest prophet (John the Baptist) under the Law. But the Jews are still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs.
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Post by joseph on Dec 2, 2020 14:51:52 GMT -5
The Jewish/Gentile one man church is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world. The least in Christ's kingdom is greater than the greatest prophet (John the Baptist) under the Law. But the Jews are still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs.Are not the gentiles even loved by God, for the sake of His Son Who Died for them (as many at least as love God and are called according to His Purpose) ...
As for 'still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs' .... what does or would that even mean?
For example in the Bible, even if the three great men of faith, as God Says, were present, they could not save their own sons ! Their faith would only be enough to rescue ONLY THEMSELVES, no one else....
Ezekiel 14:14 then even if these three men--Noah, Daniel ... [Search domain www.biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-14.htm] www.biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-14.htmEven if these three men-Noah, Daniel, and Job-were in that country, they would, by their righteousness, rescue only themselves," declares the Almighty LORD. JPS Tanakh 1917 though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. New American Standard 1977
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Post by frienduff on Dec 2, 2020 15:06:24 GMT -5
The Jewish/Gentile one man church is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world. The least in Christ's kingdom is greater than the greatest prophet (John the Baptist) under the Law. But the Jews are still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs. FOR GOD so loved the jews that he sent his only begotten son . ONLY that didnt read jews . IT read WORLD . When paul spoke of he spoke of the elect that were jews . Just as there is an elect that are gentile . JACOB was a jew , I dont think anyone will argue that . BUT SO was HIS TWIN BROTHER JACOB . YEAH . The clowns we must never heed . ABRAHAM and the sheep were of GOD . BUT JESUS TOLD those , of his own flesh , WELL the jewish lineage per flesh , YE OF YA FATHA THE DEVIL . GOD will never accept this pope or rome . GOD will not accept any gentile , OR any born a jew . BUT IF WE , they or anyone wants to be accepted of GOD JESUS IS THE ANSWER . I dont , shant , cant , will not , or shall not heed those clowns . BE ON GAURD , we have one amongst us even now . YEA , i say be on guard . IN THE END , all that mattered , all that counted , WAS DID ONE TRULY BELIEVE IN , which means confession by mouth , and not jus mouth , but by heart . IN JESUS . OH this i know you know . BUT a clown and clowners can make things real slippery .
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Post by watchful on Dec 3, 2020 8:14:09 GMT -5
The Jewish/Gentile one man church is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world. The least in Christ's kingdom is greater than the greatest prophet (John the Baptist) under the Law. But the Jews are still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs.Are not the gentiles even loved by God, for the sake of His Son Who Died for them (as many at least as love God and are called according to His Purpose) ...
As for 'still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs' .... what does or would that even mean?
For example in the Bible, even if the three great men of faith, as God Says, were present, they could not save their own sons ! Their faith would only be enough to rescue ONLY THEMSELVES, no one else....
Ezekiel 14:14 then even if these three men--Noah, Daniel ... [Search domain www.biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-14.htm] www.biblehub.com/ezekiel/14-14.htmEven if these three men-Noah, Daniel, and Job-were in that country, they would, by their righteousness, rescue only themselves," declares the Almighty LORD. JPS Tanakh 1917 though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. New American Standard 1977 It's what Paul wrote brother, but you would need to ask God what it means for yourself, because I don't know if my understanding is complete.....but I believe the parable of the prodigal son applies to them, and the fact that the Jews are not shut out of the gospel, they are able to come to Christ and be saved. And that I believe the Lord still disciplines them as sons from time to time as a people, and very possibly personally as well. And certainly we are not to treat them badly, in a spirit of anti-semitism.
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Post by watchful on Dec 3, 2020 8:18:29 GMT -5
The Jewish/Gentile one man church is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world. The least in Christ's kingdom is greater than the greatest prophet (John the Baptist) under the Law. But the Jews are still loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs. FOR GOD so loved the jews that he sent his only begotten son . ONLY that didnt read jews . IT read WORLD . When paul spoke of he spoke of the elect that were jews . Just as there is an elect that are gentile . JACOB was a jew , I dont think anyone will argue that . BUT SO was HIS TWIN BROTHER JACOB . YEAH . The clowns we must never heed . ABRAHAM and the sheep were of GOD . BUT JESUS TOLD those , of his own flesh , WELL the jewish lineage per flesh , YE OF YA FATHA THE DEVIL . GOD will never accept this pope or rome . GOD will not accept any gentile , OR any born a jew . BUT IF WE , they or anyone wants to be accepted of GOD JESUS IS THE ANSWER . I dont , shant , cant , will not , or shall not heed those clowns . BE ON GAURD , we have one amongst us even now . YEA , i say be on guard . IN THE END , all that mattered , all that counted , WAS DID ONE TRULY BELIEVE IN , which means confession by mouth , and not jus mouth , but by heart . IN JESUS . OH this i know you know . BUT a clown and clowners can make things real slippery . I dont' listen to false teachers either, brother.
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2020 8:45:05 GMT -5
that no one else on a many thousand group of 'Christians'
did not know, realize, remember, or acknowledge
what God Himself Says
that the remaining two thirds of mankind (i.e. the whole world soon or already)
worships (serves) demons. They refuse to turn to the Creator,
they refuse to listen to Jesus or ask Jesus for help,
and they refuse to repent of worshiping demons. The countries of the world , including the usa are not serving God, but money, and worse. This is not a politically correct statement, and is not accepted nor acknowledged by any government I know of, including usa. What God Said, He Said. It Has Not Changed.
Only A Remnant , only a remnant, turns to Him.
Anyone who is not serving Jesus is serving the devil, but there are different depths of Satan and different depths of depravity. There are those who are outright God-haters, and they despise all that is good and right. On the other hand, there are others who have refused to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior because they have counted the cost, and they love their sins more than God. They may respect the Lord, and they may respect the Christian church, but they have not made a commitment to be a Christian. Both groups are lost and on their way to hell, but I do not look at them the same way.
As for the USA not serving God, the USA is a country, not a person. It is a government, and a government does not serve or reject God. We have many working in our government, and some are serving God and love the Lord, while others hate God or are neutral. The hope we have in America is that there remains a remnant church, as 2fw8212a mentioned. I would suggest there is a remnant church in his home country of Brazil as well, even though the nation itself does not serve God. The nations are only as good as their people, or as corrupt as their people.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 3, 2020 9:58:29 GMT -5
that no one else on a many thousand group of 'Christians'
did not know, realize, remember, or acknowledge
what God Himself Says
that the remaining two thirds of mankind (i.e. the whole world soon or already)
worships (serves) demons. They refuse to turn to the Creator,
they refuse to listen to Jesus or ask Jesus for help,
and they refuse to repent of worshiping demons. The countries of the world , including the usa are not serving God, but money, and worse. This is not a politically correct statement, and is not accepted nor acknowledged by any government I know of, including usa. What God Said, He Said. It Has Not Changed.
Only A Remnant , only a remnant, turns to Him.
Anyone who is not serving Jesus is serving the devil, but there are different depths of Satan and different depths of depravity. There are those who are outright God-haters, and they despise all that is good and right. On the other hand, there are others who have refused to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior because they have counted the cost, and they love their sins more than God. They may respect the Lord, and they may respect the Christian church, but they have not made a commitment to be a Christian. Both groups are lost and on their way to hell, but I do not look at them the same way.
As for the USA not serving God, the USA is a country, not a person. It is a government, and a government does not serve or reject God. We have many working in our government, and some are serving God and love the Lord, while others hate God or are neutral. The hope we have in America is that there remains a remnant church, as 2fw8212a mentioned. I would suggest there is a remnant church in his home country of Brazil as well, even though the nation itself does not serve God. The nations are only as good as their people, or as corrupt as their people.
as corrupt as the nations are , there are still remenant believers . Yep . We must cling to and lean on the LORD only more and more . The sway of the great reset is striking more and more with their false hope in humanity and creation . This stuff is spreading like a green bray tree . The lambs must march onwards faithful in the Lord .
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Post by joseph on Dec 7, 2020 12:05:57 GMT -5
Agree brother. But these things were true of the church's ensample Israel as well, were they not? (who Jesus nevertheless called His own) No.
Not in context here at all as far as I can tell.
Albeit, could you clarify this further >
I don't know though what you mean by 'church's ensample Israel' (or 'church's example Israel') ?
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