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Post by John on Dec 27, 2020 15:18:13 GMT -5
Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. I know that some attribute the 2 days and third day as referring to Jesus being in the tomb and rising from the dead on the third day, but that does not make any sense within what it is actually saying, and who it is talking about. It is talking about Israel returning or coming back to the Lord. Now after 2 days in the tomb (which he was actually 3 days therein) the Jews as a nation, were not revived, and when the resurrection took place, Israel was not raised up, nor did they live in his sight. So obviously it is not talking about that, so then what is it talking about???
I have never looked at this passage closely before, and it is very interesting. It definitely seems to be implying seasons, not literal days, and the order of events. I am assuming that the first day was where the Lord tore and smote. That is because of the nation's sins. Next will come a time of reviving, and eventually being raised up, fully restored. You certainly gave us something to look into further. I can see how people link this to Jesus death, burial and resurrection, but I agree that it does not fully fit.
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Post by John on Dec 27, 2020 15:20:56 GMT -5
Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. I know that some attribute the 2 days and third day as referring to Jesus being in the tomb and rising from the dead on the third day, but that does not make any sense within what it is actually saying, and who it is talking about. It is talking about Israel returning or coming back to the Lord. Now after 2 days in the tomb (which he was actually 3 days therein) the Jews as a nation, were not revived, and when the resurrection took place, Israel was not raised up, nor did they live in his sight. So obviously it is not talking about that, so then what is it talking about??? Maybe the two days refers to how things occurred during Hosea's generation?
There is definitely a question of whether or not this is about something that happened in the past, or something yet to come. It appears to me to be speaking of future events, because it speaks of the "latter rain." It is a very interesting prophecy.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 15:26:24 GMT -5
Giller , WE IN THE LAST of the last of the last of days . The signs have never been clearer . What signs do i speak about , The signs JESUS said and those apostles said . And even prophets in torah said . Now let the LORD be praised . Armour up one and all , so long as we be in this world , all out persecutions will only increase . And ye shall see only ONE THING . A hint . Think about the days of noah . Nigh the end of those days , DID ANYONE SEE a sudden awakening and many got on that ark . NOPE . How bout the days of lott . WHEN the end of sodom was at hand , Did we see a sudden rush of sodom to leave sodom . NOPE . THE DAY OF THE LORD is coming and its coming like a thief in the night for many . And the closer it gets the more those who would dare to say its nigh, WILL be mocked . THE OTHERS will be looking for some kind of end time awakening . WHICH wont be coming . The falling away is what is and what is coming . Armour up in the LORD , cause as long as we are in this world, we will see only an increase of false ones speaking of a false love , false unity , false awakening . Which will not come . The fallin away will only grow massive and much more massive . We are truly farther along than most realize . Be encouraged giller . THIS WORLD AINT MY HOME . JESUS said , I COME QUICKLY , and i say , PRAISE GOD EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS . OH even SO COME LORD JESUS . There are scriptures that refer to not knowing the day or the hour of the rapture, and others who refer not knowing the day or the hour of the second coming. I will mention one about the second coming here: Mat 24:30 (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:36-38 (36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Now when it says of " that" day, it refers to a day that was just mentioned, which is why it is called " that" day. And the day mentioned was shown in verse 30 which refers to the second coming. Now in the days of Noah, yes it is true that only 8 got saved, yet concerning verses of the tribulation period, it shows many getting saved, though more may receive the mark than get saved of course. Yet the focus concerning Noah's day, and the time that leads to the second coming, is not focused on how many get saved, but rather on the attitude of how most will react, such as some drinking and eating, and marrying and giving in marriage, so most people's hearts' will be so hardened that they will have no concern for the things of God, especially they who receive the mark. That is the focus of that scripture. Its coming giller . And its right at the door . SIE ORDER was NEVER GOING to be STOPPED . I warned us all . AND DO NOT take that vaccine anyone . Sie order is moving fast and they are BOLD NOW . Laws will change and our persecutions will only increase . MARCH ON GILLER , MARCH ON EVERYONE , IN THE GLORIOUS LORD . ALL OUT BATTLE TIME , for the souls of men , ALL OUT BATTLE TIME . cause TIME IS TRULY RUNNING OUT . |
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 15:30:07 GMT -5
COME YE OUT OF THIS WORLD , FOR GOD will surely destroy this place .
Be not a partaker of it sins , its inquity has blossomed .
THEY mocked lott too . When he said UP get out the LORD will surely destroy this place .
ENDURE faithful unto JESUS to the very end . So long as air are in these lungs , POINT ONLY TO JESUS and all Sound doctrine .
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Post by Giller on Dec 27, 2020 15:40:22 GMT -5
Maybe the two days refers to how things occurred during Hosea's generation?
There is definitely a question of whether or not this is about something that happened in the past, or something yet to come. It appears to me to be speaking of future events, because it speaks of the "latter rain." It is a very interesting prophecy.
Well here is another interesting connection to the millennial reign and this latter and former reign stuff. First let us get to our scripture: Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. Now here is another latter rain scripture: Joe 2:23-27 (23) Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. (24) And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil. (25) And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. (26) And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. (27) And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. Now this is referring to the millennial reign, which is when God shall be in the midst of Israel, and God's people shall, never, never, never be ashamed. And the rain may have both a physical and spiritual meaning, such as the Spirit being poured out upon Israel, and also them getting so much rain even in the first month, that they will overflow with crops. The outpouring of the Spirit got poured out at the day of Pentecost, but will continue unto even the second coming (great and terrible day) and beyond. |
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Post by watchful on Dec 27, 2020 16:26:48 GMT -5
We got to always remember that God does not write things down for nothing, he wants us to dig in his word. Hosea wrote these scriptures for a reason. So let us dig in, and dig deeper at what it is saying. Amen, dig into the word of God and mine its treasures, because it is a light unto OUR feet and a lamp unto OUR path, and let not the Holy Spirit be quenched, who leads us into all truth. I have been reading in Hosea 6 and elsewhere the last few days and it makes my heart get a glow on. See what you think of these thoughts brother. Israel in scripture is a type and shadow (ensample) of the church. The glory of the latter house will be greater than the glory of the first house. For Israel these things were fulfilled with the first coming of Christ. But I believe that these prophecies apply to the church and will be fulfilled for the church at His second coming. Remember Israel was waiting and watching for His first coming……….but the church is waiting and watching for His second coming, and the fullness He will bring, of what has been promised with the down payment of the Spirit. Pentecost was the betrothal, the bride price, as a security deposit and guarantee of the marriage and consummation that is yet to come. (And just to mention my computer is being hacked and tampered with and can only log into this site to post if I get out of safe mode. Won’t be able to do anything about the problem for a little while yet.) Looking into Jeremiah 5, Joel 2 and James 5 with regard to these same things: Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. Joe 2:15-16 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Joe 2:18-19 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil [harvest] and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen Joe 2:23-25 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil [harvest]. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see vision Joe 2:30-32 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Jas 5:7-8 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Jas 5:17-18 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. |
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 17:34:41 GMT -5
ITS HERE . SIE ORDER CANNOT be STOPPED . My goodness , the bible foretold this almost two thousand years ago , RIGHT IN REVELATION CHAPTER SEVENTEEN .
AND HERE IT IS .
The ten horns are ten kings which have not received a kingdom as yet , but they will and they will rule one hour with THE GLOBAL BEAST . ITS ALL COMING to PASS .
AND FAST TOO .
SIE ORDER cannot , will not , shall not be stopped by any man . AINT gonna happen . JESUS alone will end it at His second coming .
Talk about spot on , one hundred percent acccurate that bible is . GOD KNEW what would happen . HE ALWAYS HAS . HE ALWAYS HAS . HE told us
HE revealed it to his servant john , and john penned it down . AND HERE we are almost two thousand years later , AND RIGHT IN OUR FACE IT IS . ACCURATE to a T .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 17:42:29 GMT -5
YEAH . YEAH , ITS THE MARK OF THE BEAST and ITS COMING FAST .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 17:44:02 GMT -5
BUT wait , wait a minute . WHAT IS IN THAT SHOT AGAIN . WHAT IS IN THAT SHOT AGAIN . Affecting our dna , genome . YEAH . I AINT TOUCHING THAT NASTY WICKED THING .
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Post by Cletus on Dec 27, 2020 20:26:01 GMT -5
We got to always remember that God does not write things down for nothing, he wants us to dig in his word. Hosea wrote these scriptures for a reason. So let us dig in, and dig deeper at what it is saying. Jas 5:17-18 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. add up the days... its only something like 17-ish days off. if you are going by the Gregorian calendar. |
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Post by frienduff on Dec 27, 2020 20:33:14 GMT -5
Jas 5:17-18 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. add up the days... its only something like 17-ish days off. if you are going by the Gregorian calendar. Do the math cletus at thirty days a month . Its identical . The forty two months , thousand two hundred and sixty days , three and one half years . its all the same if you go by thirty days a month . |
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Post by Cletus on Dec 27, 2020 20:46:54 GMT -5
Hi brother Cletus, I think more thought has to be given to this. Now let us go to the main scripture: Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. (3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. First let us establish this, when shall the Jews finally receive Christ as a nation, and actually, literally, live in his " sight" ? Mat 24:30 (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Zec 14:16 (16) And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Rev 20:6 (6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Jer 23:5-6 (5) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. (6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. So in these verses, it shows people literally seeing Christ physically, and Christ being in the midst of people; and in the Jeremiah scripture, it clearly shows that when this person, the righteous Branch, which is Christ Jesus, reigns as king on earth, in those days, will Judah be saved, and Israel dwell safely. This refers to the second coming of Christ, which begins the millennial reign of Christ. Hos 6:1-3 (1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. It is in this time of the millennial reign, that Israel shall live in his sight. So the third day they get raised up, and live in his sight, and it is throughout this time of the millennial reign that they are raised up, and live in his sight. Jerusalem shall be the center of the world at this time, and the Jews shall live in his sight, throughout all of the millennial reign. Now what about the words " after 2 days"? Well it says that after 2 days, shall Israel be revived, well when shall Israel be revived? Well let us look at some of brother Cletus' calculations, which I believe was well intended: The calculation of the 2 thousand years was from 700BC + 2k years, which brings you to 1300 A.D. . How you get to that, is by going from 700 bc towards the beginning of the A.D. counting, and from the beginning of the A.D. counting, you add 1300 years, which between 700Bc, and adding 1300 years in the A.D side, it equals to 2000 years passing. Now was Israel " revived" in A.D. 1300? No they were not. So the 2 thousand year count cannot begin with 700 BC, it has to begin somewhere else. And when shall Israel, as a nation be revived? They shall be revived at the beginning of the millennial reign, so the end of the 2 thousand years leads us to the beginning of the millennial reign, and the 3rd day brings us from the beginning of the millennial reign unto the end of the millennial reign. So at Christ's second coming, is when Israel gets revived, but also begins to be raised up and live in his sight. And the millennial reign has not yet taken place, but also we have to remember that the 7 years tribulation period, happens just before the millennial reign. oh much more thought is not needed on my part... the very scripture you posted The LORD give to me back a ways... and He said it to me as a promise... and His promise declares the very thing you are saying in this thread. latter rain.
I been saying it for some years now... its gonna rain. When i say this I am saying it in faith that He will perform the thing which He has spoken to me. for me... the latter rain will be Him pouring out the Holy Spirit on me... using me... gifts flowing, like a rapid river. souls coming into the kingdom... I am waiting... at my church i go to now others have been waiting for the same promises. some... for more years than i have been alive, not saved... before i was born... and God brought me to this church. even as i type this The Holy Ghost is glowing within me confirming the promise. as if He is saying... I have not forgotten.
I desire nothing more or even equal to being used to build Gods family.
He has moved thru me in 7 of the 9 gifts of The Spirit... and after... i was told i only got a taste. I have been waiting over half my life for this.
so... i dont need to put much more thought to it bro. lol. i know it because i know it because i know.
and ever so often... He reminds me. so thank you for making this thread. its about to be go time. I have done everything in life i wanted to except for one thing. i reckon i can live without. i pray if i lack anything He would make me ready.
as i said in the next post after you quoted me... a day has 24 hours. you work during the day... you cant just count the 1st and 24th hour of the day.... theres hours inbetween. therefore its not just 1300AD to 2300 AD... its all the years in between. and today we are inbetween... and right now in Israel there are some who call for repentance towards God. its happening now. during the third day where in Hosea it says He will raise them up. I am convinced it is this time. if not now then will we be the generation when Christ returns?
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Post by Giller on Dec 27, 2020 22:43:12 GMT -5
We got to always remember that God does not write things down for nothing, he wants us to dig in his word. Hosea wrote these scriptures for a reason. So let us dig in, and dig deeper at what it is saying. Amen, dig into the word of God and mine its treasures, because it is a light unto OUR feet and a lamp unto OUR path, and let not the Holy Spirit be quenched, who leads us into all truth. I have been reading in Hosea 6 and elsewhere the last few days and it makes my heart get a glow on. See what you think of these thoughts brother. Israel in scripture is a type and shadow (ensample) of the church. The glory of the latter house will be greater than the glory of the first house. For Israel these things were fulfilled with the first coming of Christ. But I believe that these prophecies apply to the church and will be fulfilled for the church at His second coming. Remember Israel was waiting and watching for His first coming……….but the church is waiting and watching for His second coming, and the fullness He will bring, of what has been promised with the down payment of the Spirit. Pentecost was the betrothal, the bride price, as a security deposit and guarantee of the marriage and consummation that is yet to come. (And just to mention my computer is being hacked and tampered with and can only log into this site to post if I get out of safe mode. Won’t be able to do anything about the problem for a little while yet.) Looking into Jeremiah 5, Joel 2 and James 5 with regard to these same things: Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. Joe 2:15-16 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Joe 2:18-19 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil [harvest] and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen Joe 2:23-25 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil [harvest]. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see vision Joe 2:30-32 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Jas 5:7-8 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Jas 5:17-18 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. There is a lot to look into via the book of Joel, which I believe has 2 parts to it, one has to do with when the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost, and the other has to do with the Spirit being poured out upon Israel, around the time of the second coming, and it may be part of the Israeli outpouring happens just before reaching the second coming, and at the second coming both the former and latter rain gets poured upon them within the first month, and also a physical rain I believe will be poured out, and big crops will be produced. And here is more proof concerning bountiful crops coming forth through the tree yielding her fruit, and also another scripture on rain, or a shower coming down in his season, which refers to the millennial reign: Eze 34:25-27 (25) And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. (26) And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. (27) And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. With that said, I now want to go to Joel 2:28: Joe 2:28 (28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: It shall come to pass after what? After the second coming or beginning of millennial reign? No of course not. Well let us go unto other scriptures: Joe 2:12-17 (12) Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (13) And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. (14) Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? (15) Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: (16) Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (17) Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? So after people turn to God with all their heart and blow the trumpet in Zion, and call a solemn assembly, then after that God pours out of his Spirit, and that is what happened on the day of Pentecost, in the book of Acts. They were in an upper room, they were assembled, they were praying and seeking God's face. And this outpouring started on the day of Pentecost. But then we get to our next verses which also appears before Joel 2:28, which says: Joe 2:18-27 (18) Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. (19) Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen: (20) But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. (21) Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things. (22) Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. (23) Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. (24) And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil. (25) And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. (26) And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. (27) And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. This part is talking about what happens at the beginning of the millennial reign just after the great and terrible day of the Lord comes (second coming), and here he is covering Israel as a nation coming back to the Lord, to were they shall never be ashamed any more, and even though Joe 2:12-17, talks about rendering your hearts, and calling a solemn assembly and so on, I believe that that scripture about rendering the hearts, is not only referring to the day of Pentecost, but also to when the nation of Israel rends their hearts, just before the time of the second coming, thus experiencing a move of the Spirit, and this move of the Spirit, will lead them to and even greater move of the Spirit to where both the former and latter rain gets poured upon them at the beginning of the millennial reign, which they shall experience abundance of physical crops as well, such as fullness of wheat, and the fats overflowing. So let us go back to Joel: Joe 2:28 (28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: In Joe 2:12-17 it speaks of rendering the hearts, and calling a solemn assembly, and the afterwards part, is referring to this, after this gets done, then God pours out of his Spirit. But afterwards does not refer to the millennial reign part mentioned in Joel 2:18-27, that part was mentioned so to show what will happen to the nation of Israel at the time of the second coming, which begins the millennial reign, but the focus of the word afterwards, was zeroing in on the assembling, calling a solemn assembly verses in Joel 2:12-17. Joe 2:28-31 (28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. (30) And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. (31) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. So an outpouring of the Spirit, started on the day of Pentecost, which the gospel spread to the rest of the world, well in the tribulation period, people will get saved, and the Spirit in some fashion will spread around the world, and by the time the second coming happens, there will be all kinds of people from various nations that will be saved, even Israel as a nation, which shows an outpouring upon all flesh in some manner. And all nations shall come to Jerusalem: Zec 14:16 (16) And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. So even though many nations shall be destroyed at the second coming, there will be some people left over, that will form those nations, but it will be nations of believers, at the beginning part of the millennial reign. |
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Post by Giller on Dec 27, 2020 23:02:51 GMT -5
After 2 days
No doubt we are in the right time frame, right now, concerning things being fulfilled.
And right now I just want to back track a little bit.
Hos 6:1-3
(1) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
(2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
(3) Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Now these days are not separate from each other but rather they are days that follow each other.
It mentions 2 days wherein Israel gets revived, but it is very specific when the Jews get revived, it will not be in the midst of the days, but rather after, after, after the 2 days.
So at the end of the 2 days, the Jews will get revived, which at the end of the 2 days brings us to the beginning of the third day.
So at the end of the 2nd day, the Jews get revived, which brings us to the start of the 3rd day, which the Jews get raised up, and begin to live in Christ's sight, from the beginning of the 3rd day, unto the end of the 3rd day.
So really at the beginning of the millennial reign the Jews as a nation, get revived and and get raised up.
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Post by Giller on Dec 27, 2020 23:07:30 GMT -5
Now I have heard people say that Israel gets revived in the midst of the 2nd day, and they say they got revived when they became a nation in 1948.
Now yes it (1948) may be in the midst of the 2nd day, but the scripture talks about them getting revived at the end of the second day.
So there is a contradiction here, not a contradiction of what God is saying but rather a contradiction of this doctrine.
And yes there are scriptures which deal with Israel becoming a nation in 1948, but this is not one of them.
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