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Post by Sister on Jun 25, 2018 21:56:41 GMT -5
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
We keep looking for “new prophets”, forgetting that God already sent his prophets.
Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.
Land of the Chaldeans (Babylon)
Jeremiah 25:13 And I will bring upon that land .....all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations.
Jeremiah 25:14 For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands.
Jeremiah 25:15 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.
Jeremiah 25:16 And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.
Jeremiah 25:17 Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:
Jeremiah 25:27 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
Drunk already, will vomit out what they have taken in, will fall, and be destroyed by the sword which is coming (war)
Jeremiah 25:28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
How can Jeremiah, go to all the nations in the “end times” forcing "all the nations" to drink this cup of God’s fury? He's been dead for 3000 years?
Because God preserved his Word, and ordained it to be put into a book, so that we can receive his words and warnings today. Jeremiah was one of the prophets sent to us that Christ spoke about, not to be brought to remembrance, because the gentiles never heard them before, but to bring the Word of the Lord for the first time to our ears, instructing us in our time and warning of things most important. We listen to them and their word is alive even today, the Word of the Lord.
Jeremiah 25:4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
Rising early = speaking long ago, declaring long before hand what is to come.
We listen to them, and hang off their every word, for it is the Word of the Lord speaking.
...And the other prophets Christ sent to us are the apostles, who prophesied, and many of their disciples who they ordained through Christ, in the spreading of the gospels, and with all of their names mentioned in the holy scriptures for a record.
As an example;
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Those prophets although unknown to us, their names are mentioned and kept for a record that they are of the Lord. These prophets came, just as foretold, and the scriptures are true.
The last prophet "under the law" was John the Baptist, and the other last "of the NT" was JOHN, the youngest apostle who wrote the book of Revelation. THERE ARE NO MORE PROPHETS SINCE THEN. The book of Revelation IS SEALED. The last book.
NO MORE TO ADD.
Everything disclosed already. We have it all disclosed in the holy scriptures.
Only the two witnesses are the next prophets to come.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
The falling away, the time of apostasy, started with the 7 churches, and has now reached it's peak. Do we want to fight tooth and nail declaring with such importance that prophets still walk amongst us today, despite all the warnings? Do we want to lead the flock in that direction during the most evil deceiving part of the times?
My point on the other thread which nobody understood was to test them, and when they prophesy beyond what we already know to be true, you will find that their doctrine received is not the same one delivered to us who have received God's prophets already and know what they are talking about from the scriptures, who established in us true doctrine, through all their warnings, of things to come, but look closer and instead you will find a warped, twisted doctrine and in contradiction to the truth, full of error. If we are one of those who have been drinking the cup of God's fury, forced to drink by Jeremiah, and sent into madness, we shall receive these types, and will love them for the world love it's own.
We have to come out of Babylon and go to God's prophets whom he already sent instead. Go back to the drawing board. All we need to know is already declared, published in ink, sent out, delivered and everything will be fulfilled exactly as prophesied. These are our prophets and the authority on the Word of God, the ones mentioned already.
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2018 1:51:59 GMT -5
Regarding that passage concerning Jeremiah, I do not believe is an end time event, but something that happened during his day. I have never looked at that as an end time prophecy.
I do believe there are prophets walking among us today. There is no scripture that states the office of prophet will cease in the last days. They must be tested in the same manner as the prophets of old. If their words do not come to pass, they are false. I can't name any prophets I look to as real, because they are usually just low key people who obey God and give the message he wants given to local churches, but I have no reason to believe the don't exist. There were prophets that spoke to the Apostle Paul warning he would be placed in chains if he went to Jerusalem, and it came to pass. That was in the book of Acts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 6:06:37 GMT -5
Amen Sister, I understand what you are saying and agree......we are in a different paradigm under the new covenant as concerns prophets......erring churches and ministries continue to look for and exalt flesh and blood "kings", just as the Israelites desired a king like the pagans had....and the Lord gave them their heart's desire, and they were led astray and brought into bondage by Saul, just as the church is being led astray and in bondage to those who exalt themselves today.
Mat 11:11, 13
“Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
“For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
And here is the new covenant paradigm:
Act 15:32
Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers.
1Co 14:3
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:26
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:37
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Those that exalt themselves and abuse and exploit the people, though they know it not, and it is what brings the church into disrepute with the world who can see the hypocrisy, abuse and exploitation much more readily than those inside the church:
2Pe 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(Pauls oh-so-Jewish sarcasm in 2Corinthians 11 makes me smile:)
2Co 11:16-21
I say again, let no one think me a fool. If otherwise, at least receive me as a fool, that I also may boast a little.
What I speak, I speak not according to the Lord, but as it were, foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
Seeing that many boast according to the flesh, I also will boast.
For you put up with fools gladly, since you yourselves are wise!
For you put up with it if one brings you into bondage, if one devours you, if one takes from you, if one exalts himself, if one strikes you on the face.
To our shame I say that we were too weak for that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 6:19:59 GMT -5
And I just want to add that under the new covenant....that Jesus is our Priest and Prophet and King now.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 26, 2018 6:41:35 GMT -5
We keep looking for “new prophets”, forgetting that God already sent his prophets. "Then Moses said to him, “Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”" - Numbers 11:29
"And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy." - Acts 2:18
"...the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied." - Acts 19:6
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” - John 20:21
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 26, 2018 8:35:17 GMT -5
Shall we have another Bible-verse shootout between people whose minds are already made up? It has clearly been determined that anything I say on this topic will be rank heresy, so why should I bother? I have better things to do than sit around being berated all day. Yesterday was enough of it. I told you I'd regret it. Looks like that was a prophetic word for me that I miscalculated. Anyway, this is just to let you know that I read this message, I know where you stand, and I'm not interested. You guys feel free to talk among yourselves.
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2018 8:51:52 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about prophets that causes so much contention. We know prophets came to Paul, long after John the Baptist was dead, so why the controversy? If this is only about whether or not a prophecy teacher is a prophet, that is a minor point, as it is only a title, but to deny prophets exist after John the Baptist is to deny the prophets in Acts and the ministry gift mentioned in Corinthians.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 26, 2018 8:54:04 GMT -5
Shall we have another Bible-verse shootout between people whose minds are already made up? It has clearly been determined that anything I say on this topic will be rank heresy, so why should I bother? I have better things to do than sit around being berated all day. Yesterday was enough of it. I told you I'd regret it. Looks like that was a prophetic word for me that I miscalculated. Anyway, this is just to let you know that I read this message, I know where you stand, and I'm not interested. You guys feel free to talk among yourselves. You are loved sister . What worries me , is when we can be comfortable in teaching a pattern that would deny how the early church was . I mean the gifts are given to all , even paul said Not all prophesy , not all speak in tongues . Each has their own gift . IF the early church had those who were prophets then that office would still remain . Their is a difference between prophesying as all may do if moved in a church gathering , compared to a prophet . But anything that was in the book of acts and early church , ITS the same TILL JESUS HIMSELF return and then the gifts , are no longer needed. SEEING for now we have them for edification , building the body up . BUT THEN we shall be AS He is , with new bodies and that will cease . I do not hunt for prophets to exalt them in anyway . But I also KNOW if the early church had them , we have them amongst us too . I wish everyone would just start fresh and just know , that JESUS is the same yesterday , today , forever and that Whatever the early church had , WE STILL HAVE . It is true, that in these days, their are so many false prophets they cannot be numbered . But that does not mean a few true ones are not still around . Also , while we are to use whatever gift each has , we don't seek any honor from man . We simply use each gift TO THE GLORY of GOD who gave and gives us what is needful . You loved sister . You know what time it is , ITS LORD praising time .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 26, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
If agabus was a prophet , which he was , and he warned of coming dearth , and later he bound pauls hands and prophesied . Why do we think the church today no longer has this . Even phillip had four virgin daughters , prophetesses who did prophesy . One simple and very easy way to immediately know a prophet is false . IF anything they said does not come to pass. That just got rid of all tbn prophets in one swipe . they all have made claims and everyone has missed it many times . Now , something we better watch out for too , IS THIS . EVEN if a prophet or dreamer has a dream or vision and IT DOES STILL come to pass, saying let us go after other gods , THEM types can at times be allowed by GOD , to get the dream or vision RIGHT . BUT , this is done to deceive them, and those who follow them . DEUT chapter thirteen start at verse one and read. For this generation is in dire danger now . Some have prophesied things , and they are now coming to pass, YET they all part of that many gods all inclusive road. Saying let us worship other gods . SO BE ON GUARD everyone . We are about to see an increase of false ones and false miracles and false prophesies , and yet it will be allowed to come to pass. WE are in the times of and its only getting worse , OF AND THEY DECIEVED them by the means of the miracles . So watch out . The contemplative move , prayers , breathing , ITS all a snare to the soul . And as of late I notice that those going under this , the focus is becoming more on a false sensual love NOW , on UNITY now , BUT its the wrong kind . TIS the kind that leadeth all to lay before the beast , when once it stands . HE is the EIGHTH and the ten kings in time will surrender all their heart mind and soul to do what he bids . FOR GOD will put it in their hearts to do so. YEAH , GO READ revelation . GOD IS IN CONTROL. ALL this is according to HIS WILL, till HIS words shall be fulfilled . YEAH . So folks don't be looking for men to be the saviors from this coming king and system . Men wont be the saviors , THEY WILL BE THE PROBLEM> WE GOT JESUS , trust no man , test all men . And exhort daily . For all is not as it seems . And we have entered into the age of great deception , for the world repented not , the churches repented not , THOUGH many men of GOD warned repent , and now the land grows quieter as fewer even warn out , and the evil grows as a mushroom in a dung pile . WE must exhort and build up the body , one another . WE MUST , for a weapon is rising and will come FIRST against the House of GOD And a delusion which leads to it , HAS ALREADY BEGAN .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 26, 2018 10:28:50 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about prophets that causes so much contention. We know prophets came to Paul, long after John the Baptist was dead, so why the controversy? If this is only about whether or not a prophecy teacher is a prophet, that is a minor point, as it is only a title, but to deny prophets exist after John the Baptist is to deny the prophets in Acts and the ministry gift mentioned in Corinthians.
I believe the ministry of prophet is just a higher calling. All believers are able to prophesy (if they can believe), but those who are called to be a prophet (as described in Ephesians 4:11) will receive much deeper messages from God (such as prediction of future events linked to very important information to edify the body).
Now, about the gift of prophecy... It is very connected to the gift of knowledge, wisdom, and faith. "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." - 1 Corinthians 13:2
"For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says." - Mark 11:23
"So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done." - Matthew 21:21
The only way one could have no doubt is through faith, working through love (for God, truth, or something else).
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." - 1 John 5:3
For whatever reason we do anything, we must always make sure you are doing it to the glory of God!
"Let all that you do be done with love." - 1 Corinthians 16:14
"So then each of us shall give account of himself to God." - Romans 14:12
For this very reason, false or true prophets will be recognized by their fruits... If the love of God is in their hearts or not.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?" - Matthew 7:15
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever." - 1 John 2:15-17
God bless you all in Jesus' name!
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2018 11:11:26 GMT -5
An example of a prophet would be where they get a direct message from God and share it. That has happened recently. That is how the ministry works, but often times, a prophet doesn't even care to be recognized as one.
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Post by Sister on Jun 26, 2018 19:55:33 GMT -5
We keep looking for “new prophets”, forgetting that God already sent his prophets. "Then Moses said to him, “Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”" - Numbers 11:29
"And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy." - Acts 2:18
"...the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied." - Acts 19:6
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” - John 20:21
2fActs 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. On the day of Pentecost when they spoke in tongues, they were all filled with the spirit of God and prophesied about the Messiah. All those nearby heard the message in their own tongue and were amazed.
Just like that day happened, and was remembered it will come again. That was just a taste, and will be repeated.
Go to Joel for more info;
Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; Joel 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. Joel 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. Joel 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Joel 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Joel 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. Joel 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Joel 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. Joel 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. All the armies coming into Israel. That war is here as spoken of in Revelation. The war between man and man in Israel. They are destroying everything in their path.
Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Joel 2:11 And t he LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? The Lord Jesus is calling for his holy ones - the angels. He will deliver Israel from their oppressors.
Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: Joel 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Joel 2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? Who knows if God will spare Israel?...well the scriptures say that he does.
Joel 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.Gather the remnants of Israel. Let the bridegroom (Christ) come forth, and the bride (holy Jerusalem, the city of peace come)
Joel 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Israel praying to be delivered of their oppressors, this great army who has invaded, and the kings of the north (the beast) Joel 2:18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. Joel 2:19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
Israel has been made a laughing stock, now the Lord will deliver them.
Joel 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. Christ will go to the Mount of Olives, and there he will destroy them. The armies will come down and surround the city of Jerusalem, but not facing Jerusalem, because they are facing "east" towards the Mount of Olives, with their backs facing the Greater sea (Mediterranean Sea), and their faces towards the east (Red Sea)
Joel 2:21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things. Joel 2:22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil. Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. Joel 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Like what happened on the day of Pentecost - this time it will be repeated but with the Jews (the remnants). They will be visited by the holy spirit. When? the answer is in this chapter Joel 2:10, and also in Rev 11:13. (the earthquake stops that war, and the remnants flee the city. Armageddon about to begin) Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
It's a repeat of the past, the day of Pentecost, now it's for the remnants of Israel to receive these wonders. They shall prophesy and be shown that their real Messiah has come to save. This is him, the true one whom they never knew. Finding out for the first time, not through man, but through the spirit of the Lord direct.
Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. So when we go to Joel for the "meat", showing the truth in what's to come, in who, when and where, we find out it's the remnants of Israel who will receive the holy spirit, and prohesy,....talking about this time, at the end, just before the Coming. A repeat of what already happened at Pentecost. I hope this helps.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jun 26, 2018 21:24:13 GMT -5
Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
According to verse 39, the promise of Holy Spirit was not only for that immediate generation, but for their children, their children's children, and generations ahead in the future ("afar off").
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 7:03:03 GMT -5
Amen Sister.......thank you for more pieces of the puzzle as concerns the return of the Lord....I do find it helpful indeed!
And thanks for showing how those passages in Joel are showing His intent to give His Spirit and gifts/callings to all who belong to Him (1 Cor.12), a new order of things under the new covenant to come, where it is no longer given only to a select few the way He gave it to the old testament prophets and saints...who I consider were a type and shadow of all the elect to come, in that way. All who belong to the Body of Christ have gifts and callings under this new covenant....works ordained for us to walk in, once the Lord has prepared our vessel and sends us (which preparation is also wonderfully pictured in old testament scriptures).
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Post by Sister on Jun 27, 2018 9:11:39 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about prophets that causes so much contention. We know prophets came to Paul, long after John the Baptist was dead, so why the controversy? If this is only about whether or not a prophecy teacher is a prophet, that is a minor point, as it is only a title, but to deny prophets exist after John the Baptist is to deny the prophets in Acts and the ministry gift mentioned in Corinthians.
I am not denying that prophets came. It is mentioned throughout all the scriptures. The name of Christ and the message of salvation had to be spread by mouth because they didn't have all the word of God contained in one book like we have today. Things were read out, and not everyone could read and write. Today we have the Word, and a record of all the things that the prophets spake contained in the bible. Everything for us to know is recorded, and made easy for us to access, and if we want guidance, we just have to read the scriptures and the Word will direct us. Why should we need prophets today, when they were sent already? God's Word doesn't change, and his Word is just as alive today as it was back then. In fact it is more powerful because most of the prophesies concerning the end times, are for us now and we can understand better than what they could back then. Without understanding the prophecies we can be deceived easily and be led into false doctrine. I think it is most important.
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