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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 13:23:56 GMT -5
They will continue to intentially stir up the right . they are wanted more riots from the right so they can sledge hammer home the real agenda .
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Post by Giller on Jan 9, 2021 13:48:39 GMT -5
I would mostly agree with what Les has said, though in some things I think greater thought has to be given, and I also agree with some things Cletus said.
The thing we have to realize is this, what is the purpose of government? And what type of government did these disciples and Jesus live under?
Is it wrong to know what the laws of the land are? Of course not, we have to know them in order for us to know what we are obeying.
Is civil disobedience always wrong?
Well in general we obey the laws of the land, but not in every case, especially if it goes against God and his ways.
Daniel was civilly disobedient when he did not listen to not praying to any God for a certain amount of time, Daniel still prayed to his God.
And should we listen to laws that are there to harm us, to bring us under bondage, and gradually veer us from God's plan and will for us?
Should we obey laws that are against the needs of the people, when God says he will provide for all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus?
God is never against true needs, never, and governments are suppose to apply good and decent laws, for the good of the people, and I know even when pagan rulers reign, you should obey as best you can, but not were you compromise God's word and his will for just simply human kind.
It is not blind obedience that God is asking for.
And of course government is not the answer, Jesus is the answer, and government itself does not lead people to salvation, and God uses his people to preach the gospel, but nevertheless, it is right to support right things, and to do justice, and love mercy and walk humbly with your God.
And it is right to want a government to apply good laws, it says to pray for governments, and this Christian walk is not absent concerning everything government, but nevertheless, we all need to be led by the Lord, and some Christian's job is in the government, like Daniel was.
Now you can get too caught up in governmental things, to were you do not preach the gospel anymore, well in those cases, it is not good.
You can stand for what is right morally, and yet still preach the gospel.
And we have to remember that in the Roman government, it was a dictator ship, they did not vote people in, Christians had no say, in fact Christians were being persecuted, but in the U.S government, people can have a say, at least for the moment, and how long will that last, who knows.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 16:01:22 GMT -5
I would mostly agree with what Les has said, though in some things I think greater thought has to be given, and I also agree with some things Cletus said. The thing we have to realize is this, what is the purpose of government? And what type of government did these disciples and Jesus live under? Is it wrong to know what the laws of the land are? Of course not, we have to know them in order for us to know what we are obeying. Is civil disobedience always wrong? Well in general we obey the laws of the land, but not in every case, especially if it goes against God and his ways. Daniel was civilly disobedient when he did not listen to not praying to any God for a certain amount of time, Daniel still prayed to his God. And should we listen to laws that are there to harm us, to bring us under bondage, and gradually veer us from God's plan and will for us? Should we obey laws that are against the needs of the people, when God says he will provide for all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus? God is never against true needs, never, and governments are suppose to apply good and decent laws, for the good of the people, and I know even when pagan rulers reign, you should obey as best you can, but not were you compromise God's word and his will for just simply human kind. It is not blind obedience that God is asking for. And of course government is not the answer, Jesus is the answer, and government itself does not lead people to salvation, and God uses his people to preach the gospel, but nevertheless, it is right to support right things, and to do justice, and love mercy and walk humbly with your God. And it is right to want a government to apply good laws, it says to pray for governments, and this Christian walk is not absent concerning everything government, but nevertheless, we all need to be led by the Lord, and some Christian's job is in the government, like Daniel was. Now you can get too caught up in governmental things, to were you do not preach the gospel anymore, well in those cases, it is not good. You can stand for what is right morally, and yet still preach the gospel. And we have to remember that in the Roman government, it was a dictator ship, they did not vote people in, Christians had no say, in fact Christians were being persecuted, but in the U.S government, people can have a say, at least for the moment, and how long will that last, who knows. z yet when Daniel and others rebelled , they never rioted and rushed into king nebbs kingdom . Our fight is not agaisnt flesh , rather against spiritual wickedness in high places . Paul could have called for an uprising when he was in prison . Never did . He embraced his cross and saw it only as gain for JESUS . So many are gonna head down the wrong path . In the end who ya think is gonna get blamed for all the world s ills . SEEING many will soon sell out IT will be lambs like me , who never were dangerous , who never did hope in any govt . And i will be betrayed be even some closest to me . TRUTH IS all lambs will find themselves in those shoes and very soon . Folks you already did what you could . ya voted and ya prayed . THE REST IS Futile . CLING TO JESUS , cause massive massive massive delusion is on the rise . POPEY and none of them slow down . AND it aint just the left doing the popes work . WHY ya think the pope thanked GOD for this uprising . IT was a set up . HE and many others want the world to see us as dangerous . The man ACTUALLY THANKED GOD giller . well i shouldnt captilize GOD , cause who pope francis follows is a god at most . THE DRAGON .
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Post by Giller on Jan 9, 2021 16:25:29 GMT -5
I would mostly agree with what Les has said, though in some things I think greater thought has to be given, and I also agree with some things Cletus said. The thing we have to realize is this, what is the purpose of government? And what type of government did these disciples and Jesus live under? Is it wrong to know what the laws of the land are? Of course not, we have to know them in order for us to know what we are obeying. Is civil disobedience always wrong? Well in general we obey the laws of the land, but not in every case, especially if it goes against God and his ways. Daniel was civilly disobedient when he did not listen to not praying to any God for a certain amount of time, Daniel still prayed to his God. And should we listen to laws that are there to harm us, to bring us under bondage, and gradually veer us from God's plan and will for us? Should we obey laws that are against the needs of the people, when God says he will provide for all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus? God is never against true needs, never, and governments are suppose to apply good and decent laws, for the good of the people, and I know even when pagan rulers reign, you should obey as best you can, but not were you compromise God's word and his will for just simply human kind. It is not blind obedience that God is asking for. And of course government is not the answer, Jesus is the answer, and government itself does not lead people to salvation, and God uses his people to preach the gospel, but nevertheless, it is right to support right things, and to do justice, and love mercy and walk humbly with your God. And it is right to want a government to apply good laws, it says to pray for governments, and this Christian walk is not absent concerning everything government, but nevertheless, we all need to be led by the Lord, and some Christian's job is in the government, like Daniel was. Now you can get too caught up in governmental things, to were you do not preach the gospel anymore, well in those cases, it is not good. You can stand for what is right morally, and yet still preach the gospel. And we have to remember that in the Roman government, it was a dictator ship, they did not vote people in, Christians had no say, in fact Christians were being persecuted, but in the U.S government, people can have a say, at least for the moment, and how long will that last, who knows. z yet when Daniel and others rebelled , they never rioted and rushed into king nebbs kingdom . Our fight is not agaisnt flesh , rather against spiritual wickedness in high places . Paul could have called for an uprising when he was in prison . Never did . He embraced his cross and saw it only as gain for JESUS . So many are gonna head down the wrong path . In the end who ya think is gonna get blamed for all the world s ills . SEEING many will soon sell out IT will be lambs like me , who never were dangerous , who never did hope in any govt . And i will be betrayed be even some closest to me . TRUTH IS all lambs will find themselves in those shoes and very soon . Folks you already did what you could . ya voted and ya prayed . THE REST IS Futile . CLING TO JESUS , cause massive massive massive delusion is on the rise . POPEY and none of them slow down . AND it aint just the left doing the popes work . WHY ya think the pope thanked GOD for this uprising . IT was a set up . HE and many others want the world to see us as dangerous . The man ACTUALLY THANKED GOD giller . well i shouldnt captilize GOD , cause who pope francis follows is a god at most . THE DRAGON . Oh I agree that our fight is not against flesh and blood, and I disagree with riots, the bible says this about rioting: Rom 13:13 (13) Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. Rioting of any kind, is a work of the flesh. But also I agree with this scripture: Eph 5:11 (11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. We are called to reprove unfruitful works of darkness, in one fashion or another. Although I do not agree with taking things by force, and I just read more of what Cletus said, and I only agree with some points but not all points, and I did not read all of what he said.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 9, 2021 17:18:57 GMT -5
I would mostly agree with what Les has said, though in some things I think greater thought has to be given, and I also agree with some things Cletus said. The thing we have to realize is this, what is the purpose of government? And what type of government did these disciples and Jesus live under? Is it wrong to know what the laws of the land are? Of course not, we have to know them in order for us to know what we are obeying. Is civil disobedience always wrong? Well in general we obey the laws of the land, but not in every case, especially if it goes against God and his ways. Daniel was civilly disobedient when he did not listen to not praying to any God for a certain amount of time, Daniel still prayed to his God. And should we listen to laws that are there to harm us, to bring us under bondage, and gradually veer us from God's plan and will for us? Should we obey laws that are against the needs of the people, when God says he will provide for all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus? God is never against true needs, never, and governments are suppose to apply good and decent laws, for the good of the people, and I know even when pagan rulers reign, you should obey as best you can, but not were you compromise God's word and his will for just simply human kind. It is not blind obedience that God is asking for. And of course government is not the answer, Jesus is the answer, and government itself does not lead people to salvation, and God uses his people to preach the gospel, but nevertheless, it is right to support right things, and to do justice, and love mercy and walk humbly with your God. And it is right to want a government to apply good laws, it says to pray for governments, and this Christian walk is not absent concerning everything government, but nevertheless, we all need to be led by the Lord, and some Christian's job is in the government, like Daniel was. Now you can get too caught up in governmental things, to were you do not preach the gospel anymore, well in those cases, it is not good. You can stand for what is right morally, and yet still preach the gospel. And we have to remember that in the Roman government, it was a dictator ship, they did not vote people in, Christians had no say, in fact Christians were being persecuted, but in the U.S government, people can have a say, at least for the moment, and how long will that last, who knows. z yet when Daniel and others rebelled , they never rioted and rushed into king nebbs kingdom . Our fight is not agaisnt flesh , rather against spiritual wickedness in high places . Paul could have called for an uprising when he was in prison . Never did . He embraced his cross and saw it only as gain for JESUS . So many are gonna head down the wrong path . In the end who ya think is gonna get blamed for all the world s ills . SEEING many will soon sell out IT will be lambs like me , who never were dangerous , who never did hope in any govt . And i will be betrayed be even some closest to me . TRUTH IS all lambs will find themselves in those shoes and very soon . Folks you already did what you could . ya voted and ya prayed . THE REST IS Futile . CLING TO JESUS , cause massive massive massive delusion is on the rise . POPEY and none of them slow down . AND it aint just the left doing the popes work . WHY ya think the pope thanked GOD for this uprising . IT was a set up . HE and many others want the world to see us as dangerous . The man ACTUALLY THANKED GOD giller . well i shouldnt captilize GOD , cause who pope francis follows is a god at most . THE DRAGON . i have said many times how i am not a pacifist, and that i was willing to fight and die for freedom. anyone who has read my posts for years knows this. I have always looked at not doing something to intervene if someone is being victimized as a sin by not doing something, for me anyway. allowing it to happen. I have even prayed concerning doing this and what i heard was not a hard yes or no. the last instruction i got tho, just a few nights back was a much different response than i got from Him previously. He took me to matt5, round the part saying not to resist evil. if they say go a mile with them go two. if they want your cloak give them your coat also.
we must not do anything they can say is wrong. we must not give them a reason to even accuse us. and for sure they will anyway. even those who are not down with the devil... but they are not with God... they will go with the crowd. they will follow. because they did did not retain God in their mind.
if we do anything to resist... their judgement will not be as deserved, and their judgement will be less. there is a certain point, a boiling point if you will..where the sin and/or judgment becomes "full"... if we do anything to justify them in their lawlessness we will actually be giving them just cause. and not just in the worlds eyes, but in The Kings court.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 18:52:44 GMT -5
z yet when Daniel and others rebelled , they never rioted and rushed into king nebbs kingdom . Our fight is not agaisnt flesh , rather against spiritual wickedness in high places . Paul could have called for an uprising when he was in prison . Never did . He embraced his cross and saw it only as gain for JESUS . So many are gonna head down the wrong path . In the end who ya think is gonna get blamed for all the world s ills . SEEING many will soon sell out IT will be lambs like me , who never were dangerous , who never did hope in any govt . And i will be betrayed be even some closest to me . TRUTH IS all lambs will find themselves in those shoes and very soon . Folks you already did what you could . ya voted and ya prayed . THE REST IS Futile . CLING TO JESUS , cause massive massive massive delusion is on the rise . POPEY and none of them slow down . AND it aint just the left doing the popes work . WHY ya think the pope thanked GOD for this uprising . IT was a set up . HE and many others want the world to see us as dangerous . The man ACTUALLY THANKED GOD giller . well i shouldnt captilize GOD , cause who pope francis follows is a god at most . THE DRAGON . i have said many times how i am not a pacifist, and that i was willing to fight and die for freedom. anyone who has read my posts for years knows this. I have always looked at not doing something to intervene if someone is being victimized as a sin by not doing something, for me anyway. allowing it to happen. I have even prayed concerning doing this and what i heard was not a hard yes or no. the last instruction i got tho, just a few nights back was a much different response than i got from Him previously. He took me to matt5, round the part saying not to resist evil. if they say go a mile with them go two. if they want your cloak give them your coat also.
we must not do anything they can say is wrong. we must not give them a reason to even accuse us. and for sure they will anyway. even those who are not down with the devil... but they are not with God... they will go with the crowd. they will follow. because they did did not retain God in their mind.
if we do anything to resist... their judgement will not be as deserved, and their judgement will be less. there is a certain point, a boiling point if you will..where the sin and/or judgment becomes "full"... if we do anything to justify them in their lawlessness we will actually be giving them just cause. and not just in the worlds eyes, but in The Kings court.
i have said many times how i am not a pacifist, and that i was willing to fight and die for freedom. I know you have my dear friend . Do be encouraged by what i say next . JESUS already died for my freedom . I will be free even in prison . lock me in prison behind bars and take everything i own in this world away from me , AND STILL i am free . This world is gonna do as its gonna do unto me , IT WILL NEVER TAKE JESUS FROM ME , and that ALONE , ONLY , and ALL , is all that matters to me .
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Post by Giller on Jan 9, 2021 18:56:08 GMT -5
I decided to look up the word activism, because there is a certain amount of talk about this issue.
This is what the word activism means:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activism)
(...Activism
Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, direct, or intervene in social, political, economic, or environmental reform with the desire to make changes in society toward a perceived greater good....)
An activist may be perceived by many people, to be many kinds of different types of people.
I think some considered Martin Luther King an activist, but no doubt what he did was right, right even in the sight of God, for standing up for the blacks, and they had peaceful protests.
Now whether a Christian should consider himself and activist or not, that is another question, but in the definition up above, it seems to mean someone trying to bring influence for standing on some type of cause.
Of course as a Christian we stand up for what is right.
Now the bible does say this:
Eph 5:11
(11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
We are called to reprove darkness, in one shape or form, and this must be balanced out, with also preaching the gospel.
Some can get caught up too far in a certain cause, to were they no longer preach the gospel, if that is the case, then they need to examine were they went wrong.
But if all that the word activist means that we try to stand for a cause, and seek to influence the world, then in a sense we are all activists.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 19:00:10 GMT -5
I know to many i am the monster and the bad man . Not to anyone here , but in a lot of places its how some view me . I never claimed perfection , but i do claim JESUS who is perfection , who is my perfection and who will and is perfecting me . I will not be led into a false peace , a false hope , a false anything . Not because i am powerful , not by my might or by my strenth , but because JESUS has the lambs . HIS voice i hear and the voice of strangers i do not . I got ONE GOD , ONE CHRIST , ONE SPIRIT , ONE BOOK the BIBLE . That is enough for me . The world can keep its hopes and dreams , just give me JESUS and if that costs me all , ITS ALL GAIN . PRAISE THE KING . PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD . OH i know to many i sound the mad man , but OH NO i am THE GLAD MAN .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 19:01:14 GMT -5
I decided to look up the word activism, because there is a certain amount of talk about this issue. This is what the word activism means: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activism)
(...Activism
Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, direct, or intervene in social, political, economic, or environmental reform with the desire to make changes in society toward a perceived greater good....)An activist may be perceived by many people, to be many kinds of different types of people. I think some considered Martin Luther King an activist, but no doubt what he did was right, right even in the sight of God, for standing up for the blacks, and they had peaceful protests. Now whether a Christian should consider himself and activist or not, that is another question, but in the definition up above, it seems to mean someone trying to bring influence for standing on some type of cause. Of course as a Christian we stand up for what is right. Now the bible does say this: Eph 5:11 (11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. We are called to reprove darkness, in one shape or form, and this must be balanced out, with also preaching the gospel. Some can get caught up too far in a certain cause, to were they no longer preach the gospel, if that is the case, then they need to examine were they went wrong. But if all that the word activist means that we try to stand for a cause, and seek to influence the world, then in a sense we are all activists. I too would have once said what you did , till someone showed me all that martin luther king said and did . IT would shock you to the core . IT DID ME .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 19:02:31 GMT -5
Believe me giller , that is not in any way an attack against you . I did not know either . I did not learn it till recently . quite recently . No my friend you would marvel , I DID TOO .
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Post by Giller on Jan 9, 2021 19:44:48 GMT -5
Believe me giller , that is not in any way an attack against you . I did not know either . I did not learn it till recently . quite recently . No my friend you would marvel , I DID TOO . I personally do not know what those other things he did, but fighting for the blacks themselves, was in and of itself a good thing, but I guess whatever those other things were, I guess they were not good, because no doubt you are mentioning not good things that you heard. But anyhow, another person who fought for a cause, but of course was lead by the Lord, was Moses, some might call Moses an activist, and he said to the Egyptian pharaoh, let my people go, and was led of the Lord of course.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 9, 2021 20:24:02 GMT -5
Believe me giller , that is not in any way an attack against you . I did not know either . I did not learn it till recently . quite recently . No my friend you would marvel , I DID TOO . I personally do not know what those other things he did, but fighting for the blacks themselves, was in and of itself a good thing, but I guess whatever those other things were, I guess they were not good, because no doubt you are mentioning not good things that you heard. But anyhow, another person who fought for a cause, but of course was lead by the Lord, was Moses, some might call Moses an activist, and he said to the Egyptian pharaoh, let my people go, and was led of the Lord of course. MOSES was an activist . As are the true lambs . DID you ever hear of him tellling the jews to fight back against pharoah . NOPE . IT WAS TRUST IN GOD , GOD GONNA DO SOMETHING . be encouraged giller . Prepare for all out persecution . THE DELUSION WILL GO WILD MAD INTO the DEPTHS OF DARKNESS , we here have never seen , THEN PERSECUTION SHALL ARISE AND FAST . Giller , i am gonna tell you what i told john . IF you are able , GET a place ready for lambs . A backyard and tent is fine with me .
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Post by watchful on Jan 10, 2021 9:24:28 GMT -5
I don't know if you saw my earlier post brother, or whether you agree that Daniel is an example of how we should be. The bible says we are strangers (foreigners) passing through this world.......but doing good as we have means and opportunity, as unto the Lord, and being led by Him. If a believer is in a position to work for Godly principles....justice, honesty and efficiency, etc.... in government, I do not believe that is wrong and it can be a good witness. As long as they aren't putting the cart before the horse, and don't compromise Godliness themselves in order to do so. At some point the sacrifice one is willing to make for truth and righteousness is the strongest witness we can have as believers. There's just no lasting answer in this world.....even with democracy, it's only good as long as the Lord is offering you a decent choice in political leadership. And if the majority of the population aren't Godly themselves, then they will not support Godly initiatives in government, they will support and vote for what is unGodly, and unGodly leadership. And the Lord will eventually judge an unGodly nation when it fills up its cup of transgression. Like ancient Israel, as soon as we are blessed in this world materially we start to forget God, and America was blessed for a time and now many have turned away from God. I get tears in my eyes sometimes watching what is happening to America, how she is being torn apart. It reminds me of the story of Solomon and the baby. I hope I am wrong, but either way is not good whether the baby is cut in two or given whole into the hands of a wrong and corrupt mother. Donald Trump is not the answer, he may have some good policies but in other ways he works against the Lord.....look how his peace plan divides the land of Israel.....he is potentially part of the judgment, chosen by God for the job in the sense of being foreknown by Him to do so, to divide America. Might be that His surname Trump is a warning...trumpets were sounded in Israel to warn of impending war and judgment. It doesn't look as though there is any good answer to be found in this political situation. It's a rock and a hard place. Vote and campaign as one might, but about all that can be done is to keep seeking the Lord and pray for mercy and opportunities for the gospel in the difficulties that are coming.....He will be watching over and helping His flock whatever happens....and I can't help but feel many will return to the Lord in the times that are coming, and that is the reason He allows hard times to happen. Our hope is just not in this temporal world but in the world to come. I have carefully considered your words. I still believe what a person believes deep down will come out on the ballot, and that is the type of government they will go for. I still believe the problem with socialism is Godlessness. I still believe we have a duel citizenship, and we should try to establish a Godly type government in the land. However...
What stood out the most in what you said was concerning Trumps peace plan. I do not know if that is the reason, or partially the reason for Trump didnt get back in, tho i do suspect its apart of the equation. i do know tho that there is hard evidence of election fraud from computer geniuses, and even video footage, and the courts wont even look at it, it appears that hearts have been turned like water in a river, or it was all a big act all along to keep people complacent . It could be what some democrats are saying as well that there are some who idolize trump. thats one thing the dems say is true. I think however this nation failed to heed the call to repent, many went after their Godless ways and now God is giving this nation over to that very thing. in between this post and my last post to you in this thread God spoke to me thru the word on something that is a complete game changer for me. its different instructions from before when i asked for His council. this tells me the times have changed, and the only thing i can think of is its to bring the sin to "full" so judgment will be just as to Gods limits. I am still praying on it.
anyway, as soon as trumps peace plan began to gain traction... this nation was already divided, but that division became more out in the open, even to the point of violence. Its all coming together right now... Giller posted the thread about 2 days in Hosea... God took me there years ago. there are other threads on this forum now to where everything ties together, brings the puzzle pieces to a fit, not that they didnt fit before but that this point on the timeline when they are fitting. and this is my reflection on your words " it's only good as long as the Lord is offering you a decent choice" i think the time of decent choices is over. i think its time for ten toes to rise. I think violence is about to increase. lawlessness and depravity also. I know that resistance to God's will results in death.
i do know for certain, i am deeply wounded by the cowards, spineless cowards, and how they did not even honor their own word that are politicians on the right side. they have betrayed america, freedom, liberty, justice, we the people, and even themselves. and in a sense... even those beyond our borders. I have to just chalk it up to its Gods will.
Yes, unfortunately I think we did see the division become an even worse rift on January 6, as you are saying. Don't think this is a wound that can be healed....there are two completely opposing visions and sets of values at war with each other. And I don't think the Lord is done with Donald Trump yet. We would like very much to see the devil humbled and thwarted, but even if he is thwarted in one way, what if that same thing is going to mean bad news in another way. So we have to guard our hearts and not take sides per se....I have to remind myself to let the Lord get on with His business and not be too caught up in it all...not wrestling with flesh and blood. The Lord is God and He is ruling and reigning. Have no choice but to watch though, agonizing as it is....these are important things going on here. Pray that God's will be done, pray for His mercy and help, pray that His people would be strengthened in Him, pray that hearts would be softened towards the gospel whatever happens.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 10, 2021 10:46:47 GMT -5
I have carefully considered your words. I still believe what a person believes deep down will come out on the ballot, and that is the type of government they will go for. I still believe the problem with socialism is Godlessness. I still believe we have a duel citizenship, and we should try to establish a Godly type government in the land. However...
What stood out the most in what you said was concerning Trumps peace plan. I do not know if that is the reason, or partially the reason for Trump didnt get back in, tho i do suspect its apart of the equation. i do know tho that there is hard evidence of election fraud from computer geniuses, and even video footage, and the courts wont even look at it, it appears that hearts have been turned like water in a river, or it was all a big act all along to keep people complacent . It could be what some democrats are saying as well that there are some who idolize trump. thats one thing the dems say is true. I think however this nation failed to heed the call to repent, many went after their Godless ways and now God is giving this nation over to that very thing. in between this post and my last post to you in this thread God spoke to me thru the word on something that is a complete game changer for me. its different instructions from before when i asked for His council. this tells me the times have changed, and the only thing i can think of is its to bring the sin to "full" so judgment will be just as to Gods limits. I am still praying on it.
anyway, as soon as trumps peace plan began to gain traction... this nation was already divided, but that division became more out in the open, even to the point of violence. Its all coming together right now... Giller posted the thread about 2 days in Hosea... God took me there years ago. there are other threads on this forum now to where everything ties together, brings the puzzle pieces to a fit, not that they didnt fit before but that this point on the timeline when they are fitting. and this is my reflection on your words " it's only good as long as the Lord is offering you a decent choice" i think the time of decent choices is over. i think its time for ten toes to rise. I think violence is about to increase. lawlessness and depravity also. I know that resistance to God's will results in death.
i do know for certain, i am deeply wounded by the cowards, spineless cowards, and how they did not even honor their own word that are politicians on the right side. they have betrayed america, freedom, liberty, justice, we the people, and even themselves. and in a sense... even those beyond our borders. I have to just chalk it up to its Gods will.
Yes, unfortunately I think we did see the division become an even worse rift on January 6, as you are saying. Don't think this is a wound that can be healed....there are two completely opposing visions and sets of values at war with each other. And I don't think the Lord is done with Donald Trump yet. We would like very much to see the devil humbled and thwarted, but even if he is thwarted in one way, what if that same thing is going to mean bad news in another way. So we have to guard our hearts and not take sides per se....I have to remind myself to let the Lord get on with His business and not be too caught up in it all...not wrestling with flesh and blood. The Lord is God and He is ruling and reigning. Have no choice but to watch though, agonizing as it is....these are important things going on here. Pray that God's will be done, pray for His mercy and help, pray that His people would be strengthened in Him, pray that hearts would be softened towards the gospel whatever happens. One thing i have noticed . The enemy works through whoever as well . He set a snare and some fell right into the trap . Remember the enemy has an agenda and as a roaring lion he is seeking to devour all that he can . OH our LORD is far greater so we fear not men nor the weapon . But i believe the snare was set and some fell right into it . The dark one wanted an uprising so as he can now try and justify to the minds of men that anything not conforming to the agenda must be dangerous and in the way . I even watched what pope francis said . He thanked GOD for the uprising . NOT cause he supports that side though . HE said NOW we can REMEDY THIS . THEY gonna move fast to attach fundamental christanity into this . As hitler caused germany to learn to hate the jew , he then convinced them to get rid of the jew . We are and have entered right into it . ONLY this time its world wide and the scapegoat is anything that wont conform to the great reset utopian we are one inclusive world .
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Post by Giller on Jan 10, 2021 10:48:04 GMT -5
The basic and most important duty of an ambassador is to represent the interests of where they are from, and due to the danger of their job they must be very diplomatic. A christian really has duel citizenship. Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. Phl 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ I do know what Cletus is saying in certain areas, and he mentions how we have dual citizenship, and what he is just simply meaning is that yes we are citizens of Heaven, but also we are a citizen of were ever we live, and the Philippians scripture, you quoted is not from the King James Version, and the King James Version says this: Php 3:20 (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: And then there is this scripture that was talked about: 2Ti 2:3-5 (3) Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. (4) No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. (5) And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. Here it tells us to endure hardness, and not to take up arms. Then it uses the example of a soldier, and of course our war is a spiritual war, not against flesh and blood, but that does not mean that we do not stand up for truth, and reprove the darkness. And one key word is the word entangleth. (Strong's concordance)
(G1707
ἐμπλέκω emplekō em-plek'-o
From G1722 and G4120; to entwine, that is, (figuratively) involve with: - entangle (in, self with). Total KJV occurrences: 2)(Webster's dictionary)(Entwine ENTWINE, v.t. [from twine.] To twine; to twist round.)
Now a soldier in the army did not take care of the civil affairs sort of speak, but he was in the army. And here is what John Gill says about this scripture: (John Gill)(entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; with civil affairs, in distinction from military ones....)
The truth of the matter is we all deal with civil affairs in one way or another, but when doing so, we are not to entangle ourselves into it, that is involve ourselves so much into it, to were it has us wrapped around it, or twisted around, that we lose our focus of the mission God called us to.
And when persecution comes, God says to endure like a good soldier, that is a spiritual soldier, do not get entangled into it, thus dealing with the issue in a fleshy manner, or taking things into your own hands, thus not seeking the leading of the Spirit.
And really entangling yourself with affairs of this life, is not talking about dealing with the issues of life, in a godly manner, but rather being entangled with the affairs of this life, is referring to being full of the cares of this life, or it's anxieties.
God says to cast all your cares on him, for he cares for you.
And in Old Testament times, God did seek to influence kings, for he sent many prophets to them, which they would warn them, that if they would go a certain way this would happen to them, but if they heeded God's way, then good in one form or another would come.
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