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Post by frienduff on Jan 10, 2021 10:48:41 GMT -5
Fear not man or what he can do . Let none have fear , let none sell out and conform to the all inclusive lie . Stand firm on JESUS . Always remember this life is but a vapor , but that the end of every lamb is good , forever present with the KING . Focus on the hope on HIS DAY and be faithful even unto death .
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Post by Cletus on Jan 10, 2021 11:22:16 GMT -5
I have carefully considered your words. I still believe what a person believes deep down will come out on the ballot, and that is the type of government they will go for. I still believe the problem with socialism is Godlessness. I still believe we have a duel citizenship, and we should try to establish a Godly type government in the land. However...
What stood out the most in what you said was concerning Trumps peace plan. I do not know if that is the reason, or partially the reason for Trump didnt get back in, tho i do suspect its apart of the equation. i do know tho that there is hard evidence of election fraud from computer geniuses, and even video footage, and the courts wont even look at it, it appears that hearts have been turned like water in a river, or it was all a big act all along to keep people complacent . It could be what some democrats are saying as well that there are some who idolize trump. thats one thing the dems say is true. I think however this nation failed to heed the call to repent, many went after their Godless ways and now God is giving this nation over to that very thing. in between this post and my last post to you in this thread God spoke to me thru the word on something that is a complete game changer for me. its different instructions from before when i asked for His council. this tells me the times have changed, and the only thing i can think of is its to bring the sin to "full" so judgment will be just as to Gods limits. I am still praying on it.
anyway, as soon as trumps peace plan began to gain traction... this nation was already divided, but that division became more out in the open, even to the point of violence. Its all coming together right now... Giller posted the thread about 2 days in Hosea... God took me there years ago. there are other threads on this forum now to where everything ties together, brings the puzzle pieces to a fit, not that they didnt fit before but that this point on the timeline when they are fitting. and this is my reflection on your words " it's only good as long as the Lord is offering you a decent choice" i think the time of decent choices is over. i think its time for ten toes to rise. I think violence is about to increase. lawlessness and depravity also. I know that resistance to God's will results in death.
i do know for certain, i am deeply wounded by the cowards, spineless cowards, and how they did not even honor their own word that are politicians on the right side. they have betrayed america, freedom, liberty, justice, we the people, and even themselves. and in a sense... even those beyond our borders. I have to just chalk it up to its Gods will.
Yes, unfortunately I think we did see the division become an even worse rift on January 6, as you are saying. Don't think this is a wound that can be healed....there are two completely opposing visions and sets of values at war with each other. And I don't think the Lord is done with Donald Trump yet. We would like very much to see the devil humbled and thwarted, but even if he is thwarted in one way, what if that same thing is going to mean bad news in another way. So we have to guard our hearts and not take sides per se....I have to remind myself to let the Lord get on with His business and not be too caught up in it all...not wrestling with flesh and blood. The Lord is God and He is ruling and reigning. Have no choice but to watch though, agonizing as it is....these are important things going on here. Pray that God's will be done, pray for His mercy and help, pray that His people would be strengthened in Him, pray that hearts would be softened towards the gospel whatever happens. we are called to watch, and warn.
when we look in acts, when persecution came the church spread out and grew. Joseph said to his family... what you meant for evil, God meant for good.
our footsteps are ordered, and if we are called according to His purpose, AND we love God.... it says all things work for our good. we either believe this, or we do not.
I am about as stubborn as they come, not as bad today as i used to be... but God had to put me in some real tough times to break me, to get me to the point i would repent. A broken and contrite spirit He will not despise.
we been knowing Judgment is coming. not if but when. i think it will be severe judgment. we have been seeing people speaking for years on every sort of judgment coming in every way found in the bible. dreams. visions. a word. the call to repent has been ongoing. few have heeded.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 10, 2021 11:50:04 GMT -5
Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. Phl 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ I do know what Cletus is saying in certain areas, and he mentions how we have dual citizenship, and what he is just simply meaning is that yes we are citizens of Heaven, but also we are a citizen of were ever we live, and the Philippians scripture, you quoted is not from the King James Version, and the King James Version says this: Php 3:20 (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: And then there is this scripture that was talked about: 2Ti 2:3-5 (3) Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. (4) No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. (5) And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. Here it tells us to endure hardness, and not to take up arms. Then it uses the example of a soldier, and of course our war is a spiritual war, not against flesh and blood, but that does not mean that we do not stand up for truth, and reprove the darkness. And one key word is the word entangleth. (Strong's concordance)
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ἐμπλέκω emplekō em-plek'-o
From G1722 and G4120; to entwine, that is, (figuratively) involve with: - entangle (in, self with). Total KJV occurrences: 2)(Webster's dictionary)(Entwine ENTWINE, v.t. [from twine.] To twine; to twist round.)
Now a soldier in the army did not take care of the civil affairs sort of speak, but he was in the army. And here is what John Gill says about this scripture: (John Gill)(entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; with civil affairs, in distinction from military ones....)
The truth of the matter is we all deal with civil affairs in one way or another, but when doing so, we are not to entangle ourselves into it, that is involve ourselves so much into it, to were it has us wrapped around it, or twisted around, that we lose our focus of the mission God called us to.
And when persecution comes, God says to endure like a good soldier, that is a spiritual soldier, do not get entangled into it, thus dealing with the issue in a fleshy manner, or taking things into your own hands, thus not seeking the leading of the Spirit.
And really entangling yourself with affairs of this life, is not talking about dealing with the issues of life, in a godly manner, but rather being entangled with the affairs of this life, is referring to being full of the cares of this life, or it's anxieties.
God says to cast all your cares on him, for he cares for you.
And in Old Testament times, God did seek to influence kings, for he sent many prophets to them, which they would warn them, that if they would go a certain way this would happen to them, but if they heeded God's way, then good in one form or another would come.
in the pursuit of truth i must speak, I am sure you will be able to appreciate this, But Watchful is correct in her posting of this scripture:
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
politeuma pol-it'-yoo-mah From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation. Total KJV occurrences: 1
i am trying to find out more n this word. specifically, does our word politics come from this word. it looks like the root is polite in the english transliteration, but in the pronunciation part it looks similar to politics. i still believe we have duel citizenship, and the bible even gives example of Paul using his duel citizenship for good. and it is accredited to him as wisdom. When i first read this verse i thought the same thing.
I think there are some believers who have completely abandoned the idea of having part in politics. that may not be the best way to word it, but some seem to put distance between them and it. i believe we are to put God first in everything... and if we honor Him He will establish what is good. i do not see a reason to seperate God from government when the bible says the government will be upon His shoulders. i also believe He is sovereign, and if he chooses to give all power and authority to the enemy (for the purpose of completely and utterly defeating him in complete domination) then thats His right as KING OF KINGS to do, and we are not in a position to complain or even question Him.
if what i think is coming is legit... its not a time to be fearful. because we have things to be hopeful in. the complete defeat of all spiritual wickedness, curse, and even eventually death. no more pain, sorrow. no more locks on doors to keep out thieves (i speak as a maintenance man with 5 pounds of keys on my hip i carry around at work)... but most of all we will see Him, face to face. soon.
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Post by Giller on Jan 10, 2021 12:47:36 GMT -5
I do know what Cletus is saying in certain areas, and he mentions how we have dual citizenship, and what he is just simply meaning is that yes we are citizens of Heaven, but also we are a citizen of were ever we live, and the Philippians scripture, you quoted is not from the King James Version, and the King James Version says this: Php 3:20 (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: And then there is this scripture that was talked about: 2Ti 2:3-5 (3) Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. (4) No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. (5) And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. Here it tells us to endure hardness, and not to take up arms. Then it uses the example of a soldier, and of course our war is a spiritual war, not against flesh and blood, but that does not mean that we do not stand up for truth, and reprove the darkness. And one key word is the word entangleth. (Strong's concordance)
(G1707
ἐμπλέκω emplekō em-plek'-o
From G1722 and G4120; to entwine, that is, (figuratively) involve with: - entangle (in, self with). Total KJV occurrences: 2)(Webster's dictionary)(Entwine ENTWINE, v.t. [from twine.] To twine; to twist round.)
Now a soldier in the army did not take care of the civil affairs sort of speak, but he was in the army. And here is what John Gill says about this scripture: (John Gill)(entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; with civil affairs, in distinction from military ones....)
The truth of the matter is we all deal with civil affairs in one way or another, but when doing so, we are not to entangle ourselves into it, that is involve ourselves so much into it, to were it has us wrapped around it, or twisted around, that we lose our focus of the mission God called us to.
And when persecution comes, God says to endure like a good soldier, that is a spiritual soldier, do not get entangled into it, thus dealing with the issue in a fleshy manner, or taking things into your own hands, thus not seeking the leading of the Spirit.
And really entangling yourself with affairs of this life, is not talking about dealing with the issues of life, in a godly manner, but rather being entangled with the affairs of this life, is referring to being full of the cares of this life, or it's anxieties.
God says to cast all your cares on him, for he cares for you.
And in Old Testament times, God did seek to influence kings, for he sent many prophets to them, which they would warn them, that if they would go a certain way this would happen to them, but if they heeded God's way, then good in one form or another would come.
in the pursuit of truth i must speak, I am sure you will be able to appreciate this, But Watchful is correct in her posting of this scripture:
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
politeuma pol-it'-yoo-mah From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation. Total KJV occurrences: 1
i am trying to find out more n this word. specifically, does our word politics come from this word. it looks like the root is polite in the english transliteration, but in the pronunciation part it looks similar to politics. i still believe we have duel citizenship, and the bible even gives example of Paul using his duel citizenship for good. and it is accredited to him as wisdom. When i first read this verse i thought the same thing.
I think there are some believers who have completely abandoned the idea of having part in politics. that may not be the best way to word it, but some seem to put distance between them and it. i believe we are to put God first in everything... and if we honor Him He will establish what is good. i do not see a reason to seperate God from government when the bible says the government will be upon His shoulders. i also believe He is sovereign, and if he chooses to give all power and authority to the enemy (for the purpose of completely and utterly defeating him in complete domination) then thats His right as KING OF KINGS to do, and we are not in a position to complain or even question Him.
if what i think is coming is legit... its not a time to be fearful. because we have things to be hopeful in. the complete defeat of all spiritual wickedness, curse, and even eventually death. no more pain, sorrow. no more locks on doors to keep out thieves (i speak as a maintenance man with 5 pounds of keys on my hip i carry around at work)... but most of all we will see Him, face to face. soon.
Ya I did check out the Greek concerning the word "conversation", that is our conversation being in heaven, and I seen the word citizenship, but also the words community, and conversation, obviously the KJV guys chose the word conversation for a reason.
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Post by Giller on Jan 12, 2021 9:11:19 GMT -5
Like you mentioned Cletus, that in the Greek via the Phillipians 3:20 verse, the word conversation and it's definition is this:
(Strong's concordance)
(politeuma pol-it'-yoo-mah
From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation. Total KJV occurrences: 1)
That verse goes like this, in the KJV bible:
Php 3:20 (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
The argument is which word should be used, is it conversation or citizenship?
Yet the word community also appears, so should it be community?
I think the KJV guys chose the right word, and sometimes a word can have a few meanings.
One thing I know is this, that in certain languages, the same word can have different meanings depending on how it is utilized, I heard that in some languages that the tone you used a word in, sometimes gives it a different meaning, maybe even context can make the difference.
All I know is that many if not all, of the KJV writers knew Greek, and some may have known it fluently, and it makes a difference if you know a language fluently, which I sure do not know it fluently, nor can I speak it.
One of the things it says above this verse is this:
Php 3:14-15 (14) I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. (15) Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
It talks about us being minded of pressing toward the mark of the high calling, and as Christians, we seek to have the mind of Christ, and we speak of the things of Heaven, or the things of the kingdom.
And concerning the affairs of this life scripture, yes we deal with affairs in this life, but we deal with them, not through the cares of those things, but we deal with them by having the mind of Christ on the situation.
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Post by watchful on Jan 12, 2021 10:29:29 GMT -5
A nice little insight from the Lord that might be helpful….the idea of the soldiers pleasing their commanding officer and not becoming entangled in the civil affairs of the country they were in, is because they were conquering soldiers from another country.
Dropping off some more scriptures on this topic, just to let it wash over us and renew our minds:
Heb 11:13-16
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Jesus speaking to un-believers) :
Jhn 8:22-23
Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. (We are born from above!)
1Pe 2:9-11
But ye are a chosen generation (race), a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul
Lev 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
Psa 84:5
Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage.
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Post by Giller on Jan 12, 2021 10:36:31 GMT -5
A nice little insight from the Lord that might be helpful….the idea of the soldiers pleasing their commanding officer and not becoming entangled in the civil affairs of the country they were in, is because they were conquering soldiers from another country. Dropping off some more scriptures on this topic, just to let it wash over us and renew our minds: Heb 11:13-16 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. (Jesus speaking to un-believers) : Jhn 8:22-23 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. (We are born from above!) 1Pe 2:9-11 But ye are a chosen generation ( race), a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul Lev 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me. Psa 84:5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage. Our focus in dealing with things is to have the mind of Christ concerning each situation, and soldiers are focused on the battle at hand, and do not waiver from their focus, no matter what they deal with. Well we do not waiver from our focus no matter what we face. And yes we are pilgrims in this land, we speak of the things of the kingdom, we are sojourners here and the list goes on. All the scriptures you quoted of course, are the truth.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 12, 2021 14:13:43 GMT -5
Who here remembers when they were first saved . Remember that first faith . The faith like the apostels had . Who had ONE mission . JESUS CHRIST and the proclamation of His Kingdom The gospel and all hope above . Many are soon gonna find out we are gonna lose things in this world . Let us have no fear of loss . Let us focus on the real hope . JESUS CHRIST and the glory that shall be revealed as HIS COMING . Put on all armour . We are alreadying beginning to see exactly where this all inclusive world is headed . LOOK at what it already is doing . This is where it was always headed . A govt , a world one , and one where every fabric of society would be entwined and do the will of sie order . Parlor , SHUT DOWN . Companies like amazon and scores of other corporate business that now do the bidding of a global govt . A society fast being formed that is for the PC , by the PC . Political correctness , may as well say POLITCAL CONTROL .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jan 17, 2021 2:06:44 GMT -5
Would you say that it is Un-Christian to fight and use force in a war over values?
Im leaning towards thinking so. But those close to me say we in America who have Christian values should fight.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 17, 2021 11:44:12 GMT -5
Would you say that it is Un-Christian to fight and use force in a war over values? Im leaning towards thinking so. But those close to me say we in America who have Christian values should fight. and our warfare is spiritual , not carnal . Speak the truth , pray that many will hear . expose error and sin . And never conform to it . Prayer is a weapon which is spiritual . March onward in the army of the LORD . Let us be feasting on the words of our LORD . And let all praise His name .
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2021 12:20:14 GMT -5
Would you say that it is Un-Christian to fight and use force in a war over values? I 'm leaning towards thinking so. But those close** to me say we in America who have Christian values should fight.
"Well, there was one disciple walking for a long time with Jesus. The disciple happened to have a sword , as Jesus said to fulfill prophesy. (not to harm nor to kill anyone).After Jesus put the ear back on, the followers of Jesus learned to become "harmless as doves". The imitators, actors, hypocrites, learned and instigated and practiced killing and warfare. The false teachers killed those who stood up for Jesus' Truth. This is still true today, all over the usa and the world."
**close; those close to me; those I, you, we, spent a lot of time in school / for years with...
Note that those who say we should fight, also left or never were with Jesus, when we were with them for years, as we see them today Un-truthful, Un-Christian.
Those we grew up (few if any exceptions) with are , always have been, and will be , pernicioius according to Ephesians and Galatians - "death dealing". Not life producing nor nurturing nor honest nor full of peace, joy and righteousness every day like the true believers immersed in Jesus Life are.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jul 18, 2021 12:36:51 GMT -5
Would you say that it is Un-Christian to fight and use force in a war over values? I 'm leaning towards thinking so. But those close** to me say we in America who have Christian values should fight.
"Well, there was one disciple walking for a long time with Jesus. The disciple happened to have a sword , as Jesus said to fulfill prophesy. (not to harm nor to kill anyone).After Jesus put the ear back on, the followers of Jesus learned to become "harmless as doves". The imitators, actors, hypocrites, learned and instigated and practiced killing and warfare. The false teachers killed those who stood up for Jesus' Truth. This is still true today, all over the usa and the world."
**close; those close to me; those I, you, we, spent a lot of time in school / for years with...
Note that those who say we should fight, also left or never were with Jesus, when we were with them for years, as we see them today Un-truthful, Un-Christian.
Those we grew up (few if any exceptions) with are , always have been, and will be , pernicioius according to Ephesians and Galatians - "death dealing". Not life producing nor nurturing nor honest nor full of peace, joy and righteousness every day like the true believers immersed in Jesus Life are.
I see. So you don't think Christians ought to be warring. Its good to see you, joseph
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2021 13:07:05 GMT -5
I see. So you don't think Christians ought to be warring. Read all of Jesus' Words. Seek God's Kingdom ... "ON EARTH, as it IS IN HEAVEN"
Jesus said "Be wise" "Be HARMLESS AS DOVES", and whoever lives by the sword dies by the sword.
And, MOSTEST IMPORTANT: Trust your life in the Heavenly Father's Care. Not your own care, and NEVER trust a nations army/ strength. No, never.
Jesus trusted His Heavenly Father's Care Continually, ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, ALWAYS, ALL the time.
And,
He was crucified.
He who ENDURES (not fights) to the end, will be saved. Will be. Martyrdom is normal for those who follow Jesus. It is expected and embraced.
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