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Post by Giller on Jan 22, 2021 10:35:56 GMT -5
2Th 2:1-4
(1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
(2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Now it says the word "that day" in a singular form, so it is talking about one day.
And the specific coming it is talking about, is this day:
2Th 1:7-8
(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
And these Thessalonians seemed to be troubled concerning this coming day of Judgment that happens at the second coming.
And this gathering together unto the Lord, and the Lord coming is referring to one day:
Mat 24:30-31
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The people in heaven shall be gathered to the Lord, and come down to earth with Christ at his second coming.
So you see the Thessalonians being troubled concerning the hearing of the coming day of judgment of Christ, and who knows in what way they were troubled by this, but some were saying that the day of the Lord is at hand.
What was Paul's response?
2Th 2:3-4
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So Paul gives us a sign to look for, for when the day of the Lord will be at hand, and the sign he gives is the apostasy, or the falling away.
Now there is all kinds of signs given in the bible, concerning prophetic events, even these times, such as Israel becoming back a nation, and also in order for the Antichrist to enter the temple, it has to be built, and right now the Jews have the materials needed to build their temple, and some of them have plans to rebuild, and of course today we have technology to were we can receive a type of chip with a mark in it, that can enable us to buy or sell, and the bible talks about the mark of the beast.
So there is all kinds of signs, but the specific sign to the second coming of Christ mentioned here, is the falling away, and we know that that is here in a tremendously big way, and most churches have joined this Catholic, ecumenical system.
So when you see this sign, Paul is saying, you know that the second coming of Christ is near or at hand.
The bible tells us what to look for.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 22, 2021 15:03:30 GMT -5
exactly giller . The massive main sign was THE FALLING AWAY . WE IN IT . What i say to one i say to all , WATCH , lest that day overtakes one as a thief .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 22, 2021 15:04:58 GMT -5
But beware of men who puts our hopes in the kingdom of men and of this world . For verily verily i say unto you , THEY WILL NOT SEE the day approaching .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 22, 2021 15:10:16 GMT -5
Beware of men when they will under a guise put your hopes in this world and its kingdoms , for the double minded man is unstable in all his ways .
This hole is gonna tank my friends . Beware of leaders whose hope is in this world , for they see a day approaching and under the guise of a false awakening
they will lead the world unto that day . THE DAY OF ANTI CHRIST who will unify the world under a lie .
Flee the false prophets . GOD has said if one comes in His name and what he says does not come to pass , let them die . And not to heed them .
I have seen and now i see , and behold two great evils occur . THE PROPHETS have prophesied falsely , and yet the peoples remain under them and make excuse for their failures .
IF i , even i , had come in the name of the LORD and said behold this or that will come to pass , and then it did not , AND YET i led you all to believe that perhaps i meant something else by it
THEN I WOULD BE A LIAR . HEED THEM NOT . THEY MISSED the mark ,the failed the people . I WILL NOT HEAR THEM . I REFUSE THEM , THE LORD has REJECTED THEM and HE has shown
BY HIS WORDS , IN THAT BIBLE , WHAT WE MUST HEED . I WILL HEED THE BIBLE , I WILL HEED GOD , NOT THEM .
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Jan 22, 2021 15:17:29 GMT -5
Post by frienduff on Jan 22, 2021 15:17:29 GMT -5
UPON THIS HILL I WILL DIE . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall serve . WILL IT BE GOD and HIS WORD and HIS WORDS in that bible . OR WILL IT BE LIES of men .
I MADE MY CHOICE . And if i be betrayed and hated for it , THEN SO BE IT . THEY are charlatons . THEY prophesy of their own heart , of their own hopes and their hopes were in men .
If i was wrong , show me my wrong . DID I NOT SAY SIE ORDER was not going to be stopped . DID i ever prophesy hope or peace IN THIS WORLD or point to men .
I told us long ago that in time to come i would be even betrayed by some closest to me . AND I DO NOT TAKE back those words . WE had better heed the bible and not these demonic men and women of belial .
Through all ages many have fallen for a ruse . WHEN the millerites set dates folks fell for it . THEN when the date , their mark did not come to pass , INSTEAD of repenting
they made it into meaning something else . I AM SEEING THIS RIGHT NOW occuring . RIGHT NOW i am seeing folks
whose hopes was in men , in this world , instead of repenting of the lies of those liars , they are now trying to imply , OH they must have meant THIS OR THAT . BULL . BULL .
THEY made their claims and THEY LED the people astray . NOW they doing all they can to RECOVER , YET AGAIN , their missed mark .
I WONT HEED ONE OFTHEM . GOD has said , AND SAID HE HAS , that is a prophet or dreamer says , I have dreamed , i have had a vision from GOD , and yet that vision or dream
DOES NOT COME TO pass , THEY ARE A LIAR . AND GOD IS WHO I CHOOSE TO FOLLOW . I CHOOSE the TRUTH IN THAT BIBLE , OVER MEN . I CHOOSE GOD over men . PEROID .
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Post by Giller on Jan 23, 2021 10:10:31 GMT -5
The ways the words "At Hand" is used
Right now, I just want to show forth how the words, "At hand" is used in the bible.
2Th 2:1-4
(1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
(2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
It is very obvious the way the words" At hand" is used here, for certain of the Thessalonians were thinking that the second coming of Christ would happen in their time, but Paul corrected them, and showed them that it would happen in another time, to were this specific falling away would take place, that is a specific apostasy.
So the Thessalonians were in a time frame which was headed towards the destruction of the temple, which happened in A.D. 70, well Paul was showing them that it would not happen in your time Thessalonians, but will happen when this specific falling away shall take place, so it would be at hand, during this specific falling away's time, which we can see that it points to our time, and you see it before our eyes, and also you sense it in your spirit.
So in the bible, sometimes the words "at hand" is used in a sense to a person's particular time frame, to were this or that will happen during their time frame.
But other times, it is used in this way:
Zep 1:7-8
(7) Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
(8) And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
This specific day is referring to the second coming of Christ.
And Zephaniah mentions this prophecy as being at hand, yet at hand in what way?
Was it to occur in Zephaniah's time frame?
Well obviously not.
And we have to remember that the bible also says this:
2Pe 3:8
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
So the Zephaniah prophecy is at hand, in the way God sees things as being at hand, for when 1 thousands years pass, to the Lord, it is as if 1 day went by.
So sometimes the words "At hand" is in reference to how God sees things as being close, and other times the words "At hand" is in reference to more how men would see things being as close.
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Jan 25, 2021 10:21:15 GMT -5
Post by John on Jan 25, 2021 10:21:15 GMT -5
There is no question that we are seeing a falling away, but we have seen that in the past, many times over. The church goes through cycles. You will see the church become very on fire for God, and then fall away, and then something happens to cause the church to return to God, and so on. If I was only looking at the falling away I see today, that would not convince me of anything, but there is more happening than that. It is the return of the Jews to Israel, the date we are living on the calendar, and the technology we have today. It is the combination of everything that makes me feel like we are very close to the end.
I do think we are going to see a much greater falling away than what we are seeing now. There is still a pretty large remnant church. There are a lot of false teachers out there, but there are still many serving the Lord. Even people like Copeland, who made that comment about Pope Francis being his hero, are not in agreement with the Pope on a lot of things. As a matter of fact, Copeland has been all in for Donald Trump, and the Pope has not. We are seeing a falling away, and we are seeing some who have been taken in by the unity movement, but I believe it will get much worse than this, to the point where large numbers will be turning away from true Christianity and mocking those who still believe the Lord is coming back. You will see them asking, "Where is the sign of his coming?"
I am not seeing any signs right now of a massive revival like many are prophesying. I wish there would be a huge revival, but I am not seeing it. I am not seeing anything happening that indicates there will be a huge revival in Israel. There will always be a small number among the natural branches serving Jesus, but the majority of the Jewish people continue to reject Him. Based on what I am seeing, I think we likely have a few years before the return of the Lord and the start of the Great Tribulation period, but not many, and even though I think we have a few years till the tribulation period, since I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, I believe Jesus could return any moment for His church. That could be the reason for the falling away. Once all the true believers are taken up, and all you have left is the lukewarm and all inclusive church on earth, it will easily open up the way for the beast system to come into being.
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Post by John on Jan 25, 2021 10:39:53 GMT -5
I wish the Lord would tell me the day and time He is coming. I want to know that, not just so I can know that I know that I know I am ready, but when I see the state of the world, I find it disappointing that He has not already come back and taken His church. How much worse does it have to get? How much more will the Lord let the children of Satan get away with?
Since Jesus did not tell us the day or the hour, my advise, and I believe it is the Bible's advise, is to be ready all the time, and be watching each and every day for Jesus to return. This passage came to mind as I was reading through this thread.
And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46
Be ready at all times. Look at it like this, because this is our reality. We are citizens of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ sent us to this world that He created to represent His Kingdom and to complete an assignment. He told us He would one day return and take us home. He did not tell us when that would be, but He told us to be faithful and obedient children. If we are and endure till the end, our rewards will be great, and we will serve Him forever in His Kingdom. If we fail to endure, our portion will be with the unbelievers, which means eternal damnation and torment. We just have to be faithful. We just have to believe Jesus, and know He will come back for us. That is the message as I see it.
"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
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Post by ohhello on Jan 25, 2021 13:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by frienduff on Jan 25, 2021 20:43:03 GMT -5
There is no question that we are seeing a falling away, but we have seen that in the past, many times over. The church goes through cycles. You will see the church become very on fire for God, and then fall away, and then something happens to cause the church to return to God, and so on. If I was only looking at the falling away I see today, that would not convince me of anything, but there is more happening than that. It is the return of the Jews to Israel, the date we are living on the calendar, and the technology we have today. It is the combination of everything that makes me feel like we are very close to the end.
I do think we are going to see a much greater falling away than what we are seeing now. There is still a pretty large remnant church. There are a lot of false teachers out there, but there are still many serving the Lord. Even people like Copeland, who made that comment about Pope Francis being his hero, are not in agreement with the Pope on a lot of things. As a matter of fact, Copeland has been all in for Donald Trump, and the Pope has not. We are seeing a falling away, and we are seeing some who have been taken in by the unity movement, but I believe it will get much worse than this, to the point where large numbers will be turning away from true Christianity and mocking those who still believe the Lord is coming back. You will see them asking, "Where is the sign of his coming?"
I am not seeing any signs right now of a massive revival like many are prophesying. I wish there would be a huge revival, but I am not seeing it. I am not seeing anything happening that indicates there will be a huge revival in Israel. There will always be a small number among the natural branches serving Jesus, but the majority of the Jewish people continue to reject Him. Based on what I am seeing, I think we likely have a few years before the return of the Lord and the start of the Great Tribulation period, but not many, and even though I think we have a few years till the tribulation period, since I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, I believe Jesus could return any moment for His church. That could be the reason for the falling away. Once all the true believers are taken up, and all you have left is the lukewarm and all inclusive church on earth, it will easily open up the way for the beast system to come into being.
And the reason you are not seeing this massive revival , can be found in the words of our LORD and savoir . TELL us LORD , what shall be the signs of thy coming and of the end of this age ....... All i saw was inquity shall abound , massive decievers decieving . In fact It must get very bad . Cause even JESUS said , never the less when the SON of man does come , will HE even FIND faith on the earth . Some folks , or many i should say , are teaching their has to be this huge revival before JESUS comes . Well lets look and see what pual spoke of about this huge revival . Let no man decieve you , for that day , JESUS day , shall not come ...............HE didnt say till we see a huge revival \HE said FALLING AWAY , just like JESUS had said . This great awakening , IS THE FALLING AWAY . Ever notice how so many of them who prophesy of such things are also heading us into Rome and unity with that . And ROME has really made the road BROAD . WE got us some serious problems . I challenge anyone to examine mathew twentyfour , mark thirteen , luke seventeen , luke twenty one . Read second thess the second chapter . Read first tim chapter four , second tim chapter three . Go and read what was occuring in the days of noah and lott . I challenge everyone to see if there is mention of any great awaking and revival Nigh the end . fact is it speaks of the opposite . And i see total reprobation on a scale across this world as i have never seen before . Folks think we got ninety plus genders Marrying computers , animals , same sex , and its all honored and legal and glorified . Sin is no longer hidden , ITS HONORED right in the streets . Just like it was in sodom . The entire christain realm , angels , all men , all women could try and convince and persaude me that we have many years , AND I WONT BELIEVE IT . IF JESUS , paul and others gave specific signs of how it would look nigh the end , THEN WE SEE IT , The only words i got are , EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS . |
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Post by Giller on Jan 25, 2021 20:58:47 GMT -5
I wish the Lord would tell me the day and time He is coming. I want to know that, not just so I can know that I know that I know I am ready, but when I see the state of the world, I find it disappointing that He has not already come back and taken His church. How much worse does it have to get? How much more will the Lord let the children of Satan get away with?
Since Jesus did not tell us the day or the hour, my advise, and I believe it is the Bible's advise, is to be ready all the time, and be watching each and every day for Jesus to return. This passage came to mind as I was reading through this thread.
And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46
Be ready at all times. Look at it like this, because this is our reality. We are citizens of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ sent us to this world that He created to represent His Kingdom and to complete an assignment. He told us He would one day return and take us home. He did not tell us when that would be, but He told us to be faithful and obedient children. If we are and endure till the end, our rewards will be great, and we will serve Him forever in His Kingdom. If we fail to endure, our portion will be with the unbelievers, which means eternal damnation and torment. We just have to be faithful. We just have to believe Jesus, and know He will come back for us. That is the message as I see it.
"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
Oh I agree that we must be ready at all times, in fact we should always be in a state of readiness to meet the Lord. And it is true that in the past there has been revivals and falling aways, but I truly do sense in my heart and by what I see, that the specific falling away we are seeing today, is what the bible speaks of, and the bible is specifically speaking of a specific falling away, and mentions it as one of the signs, and the falling away is huge, and most churches are in this ecumenical/unity movement, there are some from every denomination. Copeland is huge into it, and even mocked the reformation. And just because someone supports Trump does not mean that they are not caught up in the apostasy. And to me, the specific apostasy happening today, I find to be, one of the most deceptive in history. But of course it is not the only sign, but Paul says to look out for that sign, and that we should recognize it when it comes. And also a big sign was when Israel became back a nation, and I believe we can discern the times we are living in. God does not give signs for no reason. And of course we see signs of the RFID chip which can be implanted in the right hand or forehead, and be used for buying and selling, and also that they are planning to build a temple, and have all the materials ready for the building of it. You see it, and sense it in your heart that we are in these times. So yes be ready at all times, but also let us not lessen the signs. |
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Post by Giller on Jan 25, 2021 21:10:11 GMT -5
There are many Trump supporters caught up in the apostasy, and yes I do believe that the apostasy will even get worse.
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Post by Giller on Jan 25, 2021 21:20:44 GMT -5
I wish the Lord would tell me the day and time He is coming. I want to know that, not just so I can know that I know that I know I am ready, but when I see the state of the world, I find it disappointing that He has not already come back and taken His church. How much worse does it have to get? How much more will the Lord let the children of Satan get away with?
Since Jesus did not tell us the day or the hour, my advise, and I believe it is the Bible's advise, is to be ready all the time, and be watching each and every day for Jesus to return. This passage came to mind as I was reading through this thread.
And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46
Be ready at all times. Look at it like this, because this is our reality. We are citizens of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ sent us to this world that He created to represent His Kingdom and to complete an assignment. He told us He would one day return and take us home. He did not tell us when that would be, but He told us to be faithful and obedient children. If we are and endure till the end, our rewards will be great, and we will serve Him forever in His Kingdom. If we fail to endure, our portion will be with the unbelievers, which means eternal damnation and torment. We just have to be faithful. We just have to believe Jesus, and know He will come back for us. That is the message as I see it.
"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
Well even though it would be nice to know the day or the hour, the bible of course tells us that we cannot, but I do believe because of what I read in the bible, that it does give us a timeline, as you can see in the " After two days " thread. I do not want to ignore any part of the bible, and I do want to rightly discern the times, which I believe we can, as we draw nigh to God, I am expecting him to come back, and will serve him no matter what. I will serve him through persecution, I will serve him whether he comes in whatever amount of years, but there are signs and there is a timeline, and God does not ignore what he says. His word will be fulfilled, and we must expect it to be fulfilled, and it will. |
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Post by Giller on Jan 25, 2021 21:23:08 GMT -5
Just because some joe blo, said in the past that Christ will come back say on this or that day, we also got to remember that regardless of the false prophecies of the past, God's word will be fulfilled, and there is an expected time of it's fulfillment.
It will be fulfilled.
And many because of their hopes in the false prophecies of the past, they allowed themselves to turn away from the lord, and will not recognize the times of his coming, and will not recognize when the rapture of the church takes place.
We hope in God, not in men, and we believe what the word of God says.
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Post by Giller on Jan 25, 2021 21:36:34 GMT -5
I am a type of person, who does not want any part of the word of God, be be lessened, or to be taken with less significance, let us tread the word of God carefully, with all reverence for God.
Let us not lessen John 3:3, let us not lessen 2 Thess. 2:2-3, let us not lessen Hosea 6:2, or whatever scripture, let us seek to understand it, rather than pitting one scripture over another one, or having favorites.
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