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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 19, 2021 18:33:47 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 19, 2021 21:07:31 GMT -5
Yes indeed ye shall know them by their fruits . What good is it if i came preaching evangelism , then allowed my followers to have unity with Rome . I well investigated this man a while back . And who he hangs around with . His school has some well known men that have also got up on stage and lead us right into this pope francis unity . So what good is it if i , myself were preach the gospel to many , and yet lead them right into unity with Rome , with francis who preaches another jesus and another gospel . The thing is folks get confused real easy by men like this . Because he does seem to have a heart for lost souls , BUT dont let that deceive us . Even pope francis appears to be very loving and kind . And the men at the Azuza revival a few years back . ONE of them apologized on stage for the reformation . AND just boasted in pope francis . AND todd is lined up with that man as well . Yall we are getting decieved into this great awakening thing and its focus will be heavy on good works , but its leading us right into a death trap. Kenneth copeland his huge on this as well as even others . And todd is found lined up with many of them himself . I only warn out of great love and concern . Safety for the lambs . I know todd believes what he is doing is right , but he is not anyone we should follow . I pray for the man . I desire him no evil , no harm , nor wish him ill . But i am telling us he is dangerous . Even if he does get some things right . THEY all can get things right . Please let none follow this man . And i dont think or accuse anyone here of being false , just cause they brought this video . I MEAN this video alone is not the whole picture of who todd white really is . SO i get it , if folks can get confused over this . BUT i am here out of love and great concern for all my family and friends of JESUS , to let us know to steer clear of this man .
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Post by watchful on Feb 20, 2021 8:26:01 GMT -5
I know how you feel sister, and thankfully some can still get saved even though there is error with the ones through whom they get saved.....the Lord is so merciful. The problem then is that usually people start out follwing the ministry that they got saved through and can get led astray through that. It's so sad that many with wonderful gifts of the Holy Spirit don't follow the example Jesus set and flee the temptation of being crowned a king. It's really heartbreaking. Being a "king" in the church is when things start to go off track. King Saul....and David did not stumble and get into hot water with the Lord until after he became a king. He spent years in the wilderness before that without a taint against him.
But Jesus did everything he could do to stay under the radar and eschew fame and fortune. He sometimes said, "Go and tell no one." I don't believe He was advertising His sermon on the mount to get as many people there as possible...can't imagine that He would have booked an arena and had posters up around town saying lunch (miraculously prepared) would be included in the conference price. Remember how Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness...'I will give you all this if...". But no, Jesus only did the will of the Father....His ways were so simple that He simply walked up a hillside and began speaking and ministering, and whosoever willed simply went along and listened, received healing or deliverance, etc, without any fuss or unnecessary trappings. He left the increase and the glory entirely in the Father's hands and refused to become someone of reputation and wealth. He left it for the Father to draw the people according to the counsel of His own will. We have all been unknowingly influenced by the ways of this world that we see on television, internet etc, so we need to have our minds renewed to the ways of Christ, and His way is simplicity.
And far more important than quantity, is quality. We see how the quality of the church today and what it preaches is seriously in question, in spite of arenas and venues being packed with people (covid aside). But Lord, Lord, isn't it better that we get as many as possible to come to the conference or the church service and hear your word and see your miracles? No, the way that seemeth right to man leads to death.
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Post by watchful on Feb 20, 2021 11:33:29 GMT -5
Yes indeed ye shall know them by their fruits . What good is it if i came preaching evangelism , then allowed my followers to have unity with Rome . I well investigated this man a while back . And who he hangs around with . His school has some well known men that have also got up on stage and lead us right into this pope francis unity . So what good is it if i , myself were preach the gospel to many , and yet lead them right into unity with Rome , with francis who preaches another jesus and another gospel . The thing is folks get confused real easy by men like this . Because he does seem to have a heart for lost souls , BUT dont let that deceive us . Even pope francis appears to be very loving and kind . And the men at the Azuza revival a few years back . ONE of them apologized on stage for the reformation . AND just boasted in pope francis . AND todd is lined up with that man as well . Yall we are getting decieved into this great awakening thing and its focus will be heavy on good works , but its leading us right into a death trap. Kenneth copeland his huge on this as well as even others . And todd is found lined up with many of them himself . I only warn out of great love and concern . Safety for the lambs . I know todd believes what he is doing is right , but he is not anyone we should follow . I pray for the man . I desire him no evil , no harm , nor wish him ill . But i am telling us he is dangerous . Even if he does get some things right . THEY all can get things right . Please let none follow this man . And i dont think or accuse anyone here of being false , just cause they brought this video . I MEAN this video alone is not the whole picture of who todd white really is . SO i get it , if folks can get confused over this . BUT i am here out of love and great concern for all my family and friends of JESUS , to let us know to steer clear of this man . Agree with what you're saying here brother, and I know it is spoken out of love and concern, and not out of any wrong spirit. The gifts and anointings that people carry can be so beautiful...but unfortunately that doesn't mean they are kosher or that everything about them is kosher. For the first fifteen years or more after coming to faith I didn't understand that. Not until the Lord began 'weaning' me and I began to grow and He led me out of the churches did things begin to gel and I started to understand more, and eventually learned not to "follow" men no matter how wonderful their gifts are. We need to follow Jesus Christ alone...he is our Head. We are not to be addicted to anointings no matter how beautiful they are and how wonderful they feel...and sometimes we have to sacrifice that in order to gain Truth. Anointings are not God, they are only His gifts...we do not lift up or worship His gifts...we lift up and worship the Lord alone and follow Him alone, not anointings. And He leads us through dry wilderness dessert seasons for our good. The Antichrist is going to have one mother of an anointing......but we have to know that is just the oh-so-delicious bait in the devil's big mousetrap. And the "even now there are many antichrists" can have beautiful anointings too. So that is not what we are to follow....and we are not to consider that anointings and spiritual gifts are a stamp of approval from the Lord. The rain falls on the just and the unjust, and it's up to each individual how they handle His gifts. The Lord is always testing and trying us. I feel like we are at a point where the scripture says the foundations have been destroyed...what can be done. Too late and too far gone for minor repairs......the answer is to tear it all down and start again, so to speak. Believe that is why in recent years so many have been led out of the churches....like an exodus to go learn to follow Christ in a dry wilderness and die to our flesh.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 20, 2021 13:03:58 GMT -5
Yes indeed ye shall know them by their fruits . What good is it if i came preaching evangelism , then allowed my followers to have unity with Rome . I well investigated this man a while back . And who he hangs around with . His school has some well known men that have also got up on stage and lead us right into this pope francis unity . So what good is it if i , myself were preach the gospel to many , and yet lead them right into unity with Rome , with francis who preaches another jesus and another gospel . The thing is folks get confused real easy by men like this . Because he does seem to have a heart for lost souls , BUT dont let that deceive us . Even pope francis appears to be very loving and kind . And the men at the Azuza revival a few years back . ONE of them apologized on stage for the reformation . AND just boasted in pope francis . AND todd is lined up with that man as well . Yall we are getting decieved into this great awakening thing and its focus will be heavy on good works , but its leading us right into a death trap. Kenneth copeland his huge on this as well as even others . And todd is found lined up with many of them himself . I only warn out of great love and concern . Safety for the lambs . I know todd believes what he is doing is right , but he is not anyone we should follow . I pray for the man . I desire him no evil , no harm , nor wish him ill . But i am telling us he is dangerous . Even if he does get some things right . THEY all can get things right . Please let none follow this man . And i dont think or accuse anyone here of being false , just cause they brought this video . I MEAN this video alone is not the whole picture of who todd white really is . SO i get it , if folks can get confused over this . BUT i am here out of love and great concern for all my family and friends of JESUS , to let us know to steer clear of this man . Did I ever IMPLY that I follow Todd White? Did I say anything about his teaching??? NO! All I said, was to look at his example of trying to reach the lost. He gave his testimony IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO WATCH THE VIDEO. You can see clearly that the young man (through his body language) was closed off at first, his arms folded across his chest, but at the end, you see him agreeing and shaking his head and nodding.
BROTHER FRIENDUFF, LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, I FOLLOW NO MAN BUT JESUS CHRIST ALONE. END OF STORY. I think I can safely say that I spend time with my King and Savior to KNOW His voice. Again, this was a video about how to approach the lost, to point to Jesus, to love the lost. The gift of discernment is not just for you but for the whole body of Christ. The Lord's Word does not return void. Have some faith brother, for God can use anybody. You are operating on a spirit of fear and that is not healthy, nor is it exhorting. We are not to have a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and of a sound mind. We have the mind of Christ.
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Post by watchful on Feb 20, 2021 15:17:11 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Todd White is a hot potato dear sister...he's going to garner some close examination and comments here. No one meant anything unkind or was accusing towards you, truly. And I'm sure nobody here is being a Pharisee and holding anything against this man for going to the lost....on the contrary. I believe if evangelizing and healing are his gifts, then that is all he should be doing in simplicity, just going around doing the Father's business under the radar, and witnessing and reaping in souls rather than holding audience in huge auditoriums. In my view his fame and fortune is what is ruining his beautiful gift and causing his doctrine to go off...he should have fled all that. So sad....heartbreaking. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't even have let anyone videotape Him.....He fled that kind of notoriety...and the things of the Spirit are too precious to be handled with our hands of flesh. They are not ours to do with as WE please, they are God's alone. We need to have our minds renewed concerning how God desires us to do things. "Lord, Lord, didn't we do all these miracles for you....? ...Only who does the will of the Father will enter the kingdom." And I don't mean to offend anyone in talking like this....I'm sure there are lot of people who haven't had the chance to consider these things before.
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Post by Giller on Feb 20, 2021 15:25:15 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
I have seen a similar video before, and I personally think that though things appear to be nice, I do not bear witness with it, I bear more witness with how many of the older type preachers of the past approached people, to were people were set free. It has got to be the God kind of love, and not this new kind of so called love, I bear more witness to the way Jesus and the apostles approached people. Jesus got to the root of the matter, I do not see that here. And I re-looked at it just now, and you really need to discern how a lot of the love , love gospel people, do things, real and true conviction is needed, them feeling bad about sin, were they see their need for Christ. I am not saying come to a person in a condemning way, but there needs to be biblical conviction, and repentance.
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Post by Giller on Feb 20, 2021 15:36:50 GMT -5
I know for myself, I do not want to manipulate someone's emotions in order to get them to Christ, because that is not right.
I do not want to flatter people.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 20, 2021 23:45:11 GMT -5
I know for myself, I do not want to manipulate someone's emotions in order to get them to Christ, because that is not right. I do not want to flatter people. nor did peter , nor did stephen . I watched another video a long while back and in that one , Todd did even asked two witches who never repented to also join him in prayer to heal one of their friends . BUT , look what happened when the jews of sceva had tried that . The demon leaped on them , saying paul i know , jesus i know , but who are you . See this is not the right kind of witnessing. I mean When he even prayed for the man , he was praying also about how GOd would let him be that designer and etc . What does that have to do with anything . This new kind of witnessing does not expose the real reason why one needs a savoir . And i know , i know already folks will think i am being critical . No .
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Post by watchful on Feb 21, 2021 8:52:36 GMT -5
I think Todd was witnessing, not really evangelizing, at least not in the 7 minutes of the video. I wonder if it would be hard for someone to really respond from the heart much with a camera trained on them anyhow. And I'm sorry if these things are disappointing or discouraging to anyone, it's not anybody's wish or intention to do that, but it's important to examine things so that we stand on the right foundation, to distinguish and discern between what is of the Lord and what is of man, if we want souls to truly be saved, and even to make sure we ourselves are walking on the right path.
Eze 44:23
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane (common), and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
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Post by solid on Feb 21, 2021 9:42:17 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
It takes courage to witness like that. If God showed him those things for real, the comics and all, this is a good thing.
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Post by solid on Feb 21, 2021 9:48:16 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
I have seen a similar video before, and I personally think that though things appear to be nice, I do not bear witness with it, I bear more witness with how many of the older type preachers of the past approached people, to were people were set free. It has got to be the God kind of love, and not this new kind of so called love, I bear more witness to the way Jesus and the apostles approached people. Jesus got to the root of the matter, I do not see that here. And I re-looked at it just now, and you really need to discern how a lot of the love , love gospel people, do things, real and true conviction is needed, them feeling bad about sin, were they see their need for Christ. I am not saying come to a person in a condemning way, but there needs to be biblical conviction, and repentance. I don't know why he goes that far and stops short of leading him all the way to be saved or at least asking if he wants to be saved. Maybe the seed will take root? It took guts what he did, but is it effective? I am unsure.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 9:51:27 GMT -5
I know some of you won't like this video, but I want you to look at it with an open mind of someone just reaching out to someone who is so lost, and if you can tell me that you would be willing to do something like this or that you have done something like this, then you can judge, but if not, please do not comment about the person. God is breaking down walls, barriers, men's prejudices, men's doctrines. The Pharasees did not like what Jesus was doing, He was radical in His approach to sinners. Maybe this person was endorsed in the beginning of his ministry by people we know are false, and he did not know it? In any case, God is the judge of men's hearts and let us just go about the Father's business. He shall judge us all by our fruit. But this video touched my heart for those who are so lost, when I saw these people who made themselves look like death, I had compassion on them, they are lost, heading to hell. They don't know what they are doing! We need to have hearts that are so overwhelmed with the love of Jesus to go after the lost! The greatest end time harvest is coming! Let us prepare our hearts to not fight amongst each other but to love our Lord God with all our hearts, minds, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
It takes courage to witness like that. If God showed him those things for real, the comics and all, this is a good thing. I want to remind us about something in acts . I say this in general . As a general reminder . So that we dont get caught up with miracles and wonders by themselves . Miracles and wonders are part of evangelising . SO i am not attacking God given miracles and wonders . But i do want to remind us of something . There was a lady in acts , who had brought her masters much gain by a spirit of divination . And it too , this lady , was saying , these men have come to show us the way unto salvation etc , she kept saying this and then paul himself got vexed with this spirit and cast it out of her . And it angered her masters cause she lost that spirit of divination . SO do remember there can be spirits which know things about people and if one has a spirit of divination it can give them things to know about people that can suprise them greatly . There are such things as this . Now i say this in general . Cause i have seen this at work in a lot of new age stuff and prosperity churches as well . And yet its a spirit of divination not the Holy Ghost . SO what we need to do is to always examine all the fruits of the person . And i am telling us the the HOLY SPIRIT would not lead us to UNITY with ROME . REMEMBER that too . The SPIRIT would put a love for TRUTH upon our hearts , a TRUE UNITY with those who LOVE truth , not a unity with pope francis , the catholic church . Something is bad wrong . I aint accusing anyone . I am just reminding us we had better all be on gaurd .
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Post by solid on Feb 21, 2021 9:52:34 GMT -5
I know for myself, I do not want to manipulate someone's emotions in order to get them to Christ, because that is not right. I do not want to flatter people. I don't want to put down someone trying to reach the lost, but something doesn't feel right about this. It's hard to put my finger on it.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 9:54:06 GMT -5
I have seen a similar video before, and I personally think that though things appear to be nice, I do not bear witness with it, I bear more witness with how many of the older type preachers of the past approached people, to were people were set free. It has got to be the God kind of love, and not this new kind of so called love, I bear more witness to the way Jesus and the apostles approached people. Jesus got to the root of the matter, I do not see that here. And I re-looked at it just now, and you really need to discern how a lot of the love , love gospel people, do things, real and true conviction is needed, them feeling bad about sin, were they see their need for Christ. I am not saying come to a person in a condemning way, but there needs to be biblical conviction, and repentance. I don't know why he goes that far and stops short of leading him all the way to be saved or at least asking if he wants to be saved. Maybe the seed will take root? It took guts what he did, but is it effective? I am unsure. See , this is not how paul , peter , james , stephen witnessed . THEY MADE crystal clear to tell the jews and the gentiles of the DIRE NEED to repent and come to Christ for eternal life , salvation . Something is not right about this solid . I am not just criticizing Todd or being over critical . There are some serious major red flags about Some of the things this man has done , taught and said . AND who he aligns himself with . If anything , we need to pray FOR TODD to be convicted and pulled away from this big unity move with Rome .
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