Departing from the faith, merging into something else
Feb 25, 2021 10:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by Giller on Feb 25, 2021 10:55:51 GMT -5
I will start this thread, by quoting scripture, and I pray that people take this very seriously.
1Ti 4:1-3
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
There is no doubt that it speaks of these last days.
Now we know that there is a world wide religion, that has such doctrines, as the forbidding to marry, and the commanding of abstaining of meats.
It is the Roman Catholic church.
And this doctrine of priests forbidding to marry to one degree or another, has existed for a long time, and here are articles on this:
(Encyclopedia Britannica, 1960,book 5, page 97)
(The early Latin church.-After the beginning of the 4th century the custom of clerical celibacy gradually evolved into a legal obligation in the Western church. The council of Elvira (Grenada) about the year 300 prescribed continence for bishops, priests and deacons. This was merely a provincial council local to a part of Spain, but it has been prominent in the history of celibacy since it established the earliest recorded legislation on this subject. The same discipline was decreed in 386 by the church in Rome, and Pope Siricius set about making it universal in the Latin church....)
(History of the churches,David W. Cloud,page 27)
(Celibacy of priests was required in A.D. 1079, though the pratice began much earlier.)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_in_the_Catholic_Church)
(...Clerical celibacy is the discipline within the Catholic Church by which only unmarried men are ordained to the episcopate, to the priesthood (with individual exceptions) in some autonomous particular Churches, and similarly to the diaconate (with exceptions for certain categories of people). In other autonomous particular churches, the discipline applies only to the episcopate....)
Today there may be some exceptions to the rule, but nevertheless, for the most part, it is still a forbidding of marriage, a doctrine, or what they call a discipline.
They have had this doctrine for a long time, as you can see, and there is more info I could of added to it, but this will suffice.
Today, many protestant churches are compromising with this church, which holds such doctrines, and are joining in this ecumenical council of churches.
It is a false unity.
But now let us get unto the meats part of things.
Now in the Catholic church, they have this observance, of 40 days of lent.
These 40 days have nothing to do with Christ being 40 days in the desert, which did not happen in the same time frame, nor does it refer to 40 days from the resurrection of Christ, and actually they would count 50 days from the resurrection of Christ, to get to the day of Pentecost, which means 50th.
These 40 days of lent, are actually in line with the time frame of the 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, which brings them to Easter, and notice that Easter, and God's true holy day, the Passover, do not usually take place on the same day, and almost always on separate days.
We know that we cannot mix the holy with the unholy, for that is an abomination to God.
Now I will quote stuff, concerning the 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, and lent, and notice the similarities:
(https://bobtheberean.blogspot.com/2010/02/40-days-of-weeping-for-tammuz-lent.html)
(...Legend has it that Tammuz was killed by a wild boar when he was forty years old. Hislop points out that forty days--a day for each year Tammuz had lived on earth -- were set aside to "weep for Tammuz." In olden times these forty days were observed with weeping, fasting, and self chastisement -- to gain anew his favor -- so he would come forth from the underworld and cause spring to begin. This observance was known not only at Babylon, but also among the Phoenicians, Egyptians, Mexicans, and, for a time, even among the Israelites....)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent)
(...Lent (Latin: Quadragesima, 'Fortieth') is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, the night before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, repentance of sins, almsgiving, simple living and self-denial....)
Both refer to some type of penance, which is a well known Catholic doctrine, and not a biblical one, and trying to get merits by some god.
Now in the Catholic church, there is a type of abstaining from meats, in this celebration, and I think that the Catholic church itself takes this celebration, very seriously , but of course do not as of yet force it on the members, because I think they would lose a lot of members if they did, but they take it more serious than one thinks.
Now here is info on the forbidding of meats:
(https://www.newsweek.com/do-catholics-eat-meat-ash-wednesday-lent-fasting-rules-explained-1569864)
(...Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, a religious season observed by Catholics and many other Christian denominations around the world. Ash Wednesday may look a little different this year, but it still possible to follow important traditions, including fasting and abstinence.
Millions of people will choose to give up something of their choice for 40 days to observe Lent. For Roman Catholics, Lent starts on Ash Wednesday and ends on the evening of Holy Thursday....
...Catholics will avoid meat, including beef, pork, chicken, ham, and lamb, on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and other Fridays during Lent. However, fish and animal products like eggs and milk are allowed.
They do not eat meat on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and other Fridays during Lent as an act of penance....)
One of the surprising things about this issue, is how many in protestant circles, are beginning to observe these things, and it seems to be increasing, and here is information on this:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent)
(...Lent (Latin: Quadragesima, 'Fortieth') is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, the night before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, repentance of sins, almsgiving, simple living and self-denial.[1] This season is observed in the Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Methodist, Moravian, Oriental Orthodox, Reformed (including Presbyterian and Congregationalist), United Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches.[2][3][4] Some Anabaptist, Baptist and nondenominational Christian churches also observe Lent.[5][6]...)
(https://pulpitandpen.org/2016/02/10/five-reasons-to-not-observe-lent/)
(....“The truly wise man is he who always believes the Bible against the opinion of any man.” – R.A. Torrey
No more than 24 hours into the 2015 Lenten season and a plethora of Evangelical #lent posts began appearing in the social media world. The Lenten season and Evangelical’s strange desire to participate, is as confounding as it is misguided. This strange situation is undoubtedly the unholy fruit of rapidly increasing Biblical and confessional illiteracy within the overall Protestant church and its many denominations..l.)
You see what is happening here, and see what groups it mentions? It mentions groups like the baptists, anabaptists, non denominational, Methodists, and evangelicals.
It seems like the protestant churches, are gradually, more and more looking like the Catholic church, it seems like they are merging, to be like the Catholic church.
Now that is a great apostasy, happening under their noses.
When God says something, it always happens exactly the way he says it.
And this mixing the holy with the unholy, most do not take it seriously, they will say oh it is harmless, but a little leaven really does leaven the whole lump, it starts out with things like Easter and Christmas, which mixes the pagan with the holy, and then things like lent can come in, people get desensitized and become more and more blind, it is time to take these issues seriously, or you can end up looking like the Catholic church.
1Ti 4:1-3
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
There is no doubt that it speaks of these last days.
Now we know that there is a world wide religion, that has such doctrines, as the forbidding to marry, and the commanding of abstaining of meats.
It is the Roman Catholic church.
And this doctrine of priests forbidding to marry to one degree or another, has existed for a long time, and here are articles on this:
(Encyclopedia Britannica, 1960,book 5, page 97)
(The early Latin church.-After the beginning of the 4th century the custom of clerical celibacy gradually evolved into a legal obligation in the Western church. The council of Elvira (Grenada) about the year 300 prescribed continence for bishops, priests and deacons. This was merely a provincial council local to a part of Spain, but it has been prominent in the history of celibacy since it established the earliest recorded legislation on this subject. The same discipline was decreed in 386 by the church in Rome, and Pope Siricius set about making it universal in the Latin church....)
(History of the churches,David W. Cloud,page 27)
(Celibacy of priests was required in A.D. 1079, though the pratice began much earlier.)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_in_the_Catholic_Church)
(...Clerical celibacy is the discipline within the Catholic Church by which only unmarried men are ordained to the episcopate, to the priesthood (with individual exceptions) in some autonomous particular Churches, and similarly to the diaconate (with exceptions for certain categories of people). In other autonomous particular churches, the discipline applies only to the episcopate....)
Today there may be some exceptions to the rule, but nevertheless, for the most part, it is still a forbidding of marriage, a doctrine, or what they call a discipline.
They have had this doctrine for a long time, as you can see, and there is more info I could of added to it, but this will suffice.
Today, many protestant churches are compromising with this church, which holds such doctrines, and are joining in this ecumenical council of churches.
It is a false unity.
But now let us get unto the meats part of things.
Now in the Catholic church, they have this observance, of 40 days of lent.
These 40 days have nothing to do with Christ being 40 days in the desert, which did not happen in the same time frame, nor does it refer to 40 days from the resurrection of Christ, and actually they would count 50 days from the resurrection of Christ, to get to the day of Pentecost, which means 50th.
These 40 days of lent, are actually in line with the time frame of the 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, which brings them to Easter, and notice that Easter, and God's true holy day, the Passover, do not usually take place on the same day, and almost always on separate days.
We know that we cannot mix the holy with the unholy, for that is an abomination to God.
Now I will quote stuff, concerning the 40 days of weeping for Tammuz, and lent, and notice the similarities:
(https://bobtheberean.blogspot.com/2010/02/40-days-of-weeping-for-tammuz-lent.html)
(...Legend has it that Tammuz was killed by a wild boar when he was forty years old. Hislop points out that forty days--a day for each year Tammuz had lived on earth -- were set aside to "weep for Tammuz." In olden times these forty days were observed with weeping, fasting, and self chastisement -- to gain anew his favor -- so he would come forth from the underworld and cause spring to begin. This observance was known not only at Babylon, but also among the Phoenicians, Egyptians, Mexicans, and, for a time, even among the Israelites....)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent)
(...Lent (Latin: Quadragesima, 'Fortieth') is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, the night before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, repentance of sins, almsgiving, simple living and self-denial....)
Both refer to some type of penance, which is a well known Catholic doctrine, and not a biblical one, and trying to get merits by some god.
Now in the Catholic church, there is a type of abstaining from meats, in this celebration, and I think that the Catholic church itself takes this celebration, very seriously , but of course do not as of yet force it on the members, because I think they would lose a lot of members if they did, but they take it more serious than one thinks.
Now here is info on the forbidding of meats:
(https://www.newsweek.com/do-catholics-eat-meat-ash-wednesday-lent-fasting-rules-explained-1569864)
(...Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, a religious season observed by Catholics and many other Christian denominations around the world. Ash Wednesday may look a little different this year, but it still possible to follow important traditions, including fasting and abstinence.
Millions of people will choose to give up something of their choice for 40 days to observe Lent. For Roman Catholics, Lent starts on Ash Wednesday and ends on the evening of Holy Thursday....
...Catholics will avoid meat, including beef, pork, chicken, ham, and lamb, on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and other Fridays during Lent. However, fish and animal products like eggs and milk are allowed.
They do not eat meat on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and other Fridays during Lent as an act of penance....)
One of the surprising things about this issue, is how many in protestant circles, are beginning to observe these things, and it seems to be increasing, and here is information on this:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent)
(...Lent (Latin: Quadragesima, 'Fortieth') is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, the night before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, repentance of sins, almsgiving, simple living and self-denial.[1] This season is observed in the Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Methodist, Moravian, Oriental Orthodox, Reformed (including Presbyterian and Congregationalist), United Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches.[2][3][4] Some Anabaptist, Baptist and nondenominational Christian churches also observe Lent.[5][6]...)
(https://pulpitandpen.org/2016/02/10/five-reasons-to-not-observe-lent/)
(....“The truly wise man is he who always believes the Bible against the opinion of any man.” – R.A. Torrey
No more than 24 hours into the 2015 Lenten season and a plethora of Evangelical #lent posts began appearing in the social media world. The Lenten season and Evangelical’s strange desire to participate, is as confounding as it is misguided. This strange situation is undoubtedly the unholy fruit of rapidly increasing Biblical and confessional illiteracy within the overall Protestant church and its many denominations..l.)
You see what is happening here, and see what groups it mentions? It mentions groups like the baptists, anabaptists, non denominational, Methodists, and evangelicals.
It seems like the protestant churches, are gradually, more and more looking like the Catholic church, it seems like they are merging, to be like the Catholic church.
Now that is a great apostasy, happening under their noses.
When God says something, it always happens exactly the way he says it.
And this mixing the holy with the unholy, most do not take it seriously, they will say oh it is harmless, but a little leaven really does leaven the whole lump, it starts out with things like Easter and Christmas, which mixes the pagan with the holy, and then things like lent can come in, people get desensitized and become more and more blind, it is time to take these issues seriously, or you can end up looking like the Catholic church.