mikev
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Post by mikev on Mar 28, 2021 8:14:52 GMT -5
I know a preacher that is toting the line. He Thought he could make a difference by becoming a mayor. In fact one day as I moved back into town we met. I said hello brother, how have you been doing. He said good and went on to tell me that he had become mayor. I asked him are you still a preacher? He said yes, of course. I said why become mayor? He then asked "Don't you believe that I could make a difference? I said NO, because you can't serve God and manner at the same time. you will be currupted by the manner. You yourself preached this in a sermon. Do you remember? Joshua 24:14-16 tells us it's not possible. You were chosen to preach and the devil talked into being mayor also. It made me think about what Jesus said in Mathew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Jesus gave us a conditional statement: if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. He never said one way or the other whether it was true or not. It was up to us Christians to answer it. By seeing what happen to this preacher I'd say it were true and many Christians today are being deceive by believing the lie. We are also told this in Romans 1:24-25
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
And doesn't paul also state in Rom 1:17 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
So are we really living by faith or out of fear are we worshiping the creature?
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Post by frienduff on Mar 28, 2021 8:35:57 GMT -5
Test His doctrine and see if it has changed for the worse .
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Post by mikev on Mar 28, 2021 10:03:35 GMT -5
frienduffI watch and from what I've seen he has become corrupted by money and power. But I won't judge him that's Gods job. But I can remind him about what God says.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 28, 2021 13:27:43 GMT -5
frienduff I watch and from what I've seen he has become corrupted by money and power. But I won't judge him that's Gods job. But I can remind him about what God says. Not only can you , you must remind him . There is a massive falling away now . A massive one .
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Post by mikev on Mar 29, 2021 8:52:16 GMT -5
frienduffI'm a passionate person when it comes to God. Maybe sometimes too passionate. But I think the real reason I posted this is because It's happening to frequently all over. I may have used him as an example for concern about many ministers that may have fallen away by deception. But in no way am I trying to condemn or judge my brother. Simply reminding him of his calling. God first. My general thoughts on politics are as for politicians are if they can be bought through covertness(and most are) than they can be corrupted easily. By money and power breeds corruption. Then seeing the unrighteous fruits of iniquity in them. So I just come to believe that through politics breeds corruption.
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Post by Cletus on Mar 29, 2021 9:43:13 GMT -5
I do not see how becoming a mayor is worshipping the creature over the Creator, and in my bible it says you cant serve God and mammon, not manner. In fact I am having trouble connecting the dots between the scriptures given and a pastor becoming a mayor. being a mayor is not sin or condemned anywhere in the bible.
to be fair however, i didnt see this guy before or after becoming mayor. But, if you see the pastor is fallen in a ditch... it is your duty to go to this man in private, and in love and have the talk where you confront the change in him or whatever compromise you see in him. it would be wise to pray on this first and ask God to give you the words, as well as take others from the congregation with you. If he wont hear... its your duty to continue to pray for him but i wouldnt be going to listen to his sermons until there is change.
i give council both ways on this because there is a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction... and there is also God continues the good work in us until... so then, yes it may be he fell away, or it may be God is allowing it doing a work in the man and unless God has shared with you His plans with His servant, oftentimes He does not, then you really do not know.
we all sometimes get ideas where we want to do good but it ends up that it worked out better in our head than in reality.
if the OP words are true in judging this matter, it may also be true that a loving, merciful discussion may give the man the right perspective. mote/logs in the eye type of thing.
I would also pray for the man to be restored. And the Holy Spirit convict the man on any area he has turned in his life.
the Prodigal son is more than just a story, and for a good many of us including myself, its life/reality.
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Post by watchful on Mar 29, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -5
We are bought with a price, we are no longer our own. We all need to seek God's will, and do His will, not our own will or what seemeth right to us. Jesus said to the Father, "not my will but thine be done". Many try to realize their own dreams/ambitions etc, instead of waiting upon the Lord for His will...they are birthing/begetting Ishmaels instead of Isaacs. "Lord, Lord didn't we do thus and such for you?.......only he who does the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of heaven."
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Post by frienduff on Mar 29, 2021 12:55:20 GMT -5
frienduff I'm a passionate person when it comes to God. Maybe sometimes too passionate. But I think the real reason I posted this is because It's happening to frequently all over. I may have used him as an example for concern about many ministers that may have fallen away by deception. But in no way am I trying to condemn or judge my brother. Simply reminding him of his calling. God first. My general thoughts on politics are as for politicians are if they can be bought through covertness(and most are) than they can be corrupted easily. By money and power breeds corruption. Then seeing the unrighteous fruits of iniquity in them. So I just come to believe that through politics breeds corruption. My dear friend . As i bet you already know , THERE IS NO SUCH THING as too much passion for GOD . You dont have to make apologies to me my friend . In the end two places await . LAKE OF FIRE , OR ETERNITY WITH GOD . Being what i jus said is TRUTH , what are we gonna do about it . Are we gonna let souls slip away for the sake of unity , or are we gonna say something . We are far nearer to the end than most folks would ever dare to see . And no man knows the hour of his own departure from this body . THE EARLY CHURCH , based on everything i have read in that bible , HAD ONE FOCUS . SAVING SOULS and KEEPING BRETHREN EXHORTED and on the straight and narrow . Todays love is false within most all churches . It wont correct , it does all for sake of fellowship , yet excludes truth for the sake of said fellowship .
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Post by John on Apr 19, 2021 6:00:57 GMT -5
I do not see any sin in being the Mayor of a town and a preacher too, but because of recent events, I have lost all confidence in the idea worldly leaders are going to be able to fix things. Only God can fix this messed up world.
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Post by Cletus on Apr 19, 2021 21:36:19 GMT -5
I do not see any sin in being the Mayor of a town and a preacher too, but because of recent events, I have lost all confidence in the idea worldly leaders are going to be able to fix things. Only God can fix this messed up world.
I have lost all confidence in elections beyond the border of my home state, and even then i dont put much stock in it.
i understand what you mean by God fixing this messed up world, but i do want to speak on something that you said made me think and i want to type it so anyone who comes here can read it. here it is:
its not the world that needs to be fixed. its the heart of man that needs fixing. it aint but One can do that.
all any of us can do is repent.
all this buzz about fixing the government, fixing the global temperature, carbon footprints, constitutional rights, blah blah blah. its all a distraction from seeing what really needs to be fixed. my heart, your heart. everyone's heart. And all we have to do is repent.
And the thing is God is really willing and ready to restore people. back to life. real life. one where A Consuming Fire consumes you. where there is sweet fellowship. And you are so content with this life that the whole fixing the messed up world is less than trivial. And we havent even got to the part where at His right hand there are pleasures forever more.
Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?
maybe the world isnt supposed to be fixed. maybe its mans heart. and all we have to do is repent.
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Post by John on Apr 20, 2021 4:03:15 GMT -5
I do not see any sin in being the Mayor of a town and a preacher too, but because of recent events, I have lost all confidence in the idea worldly leaders are going to be able to fix things. Only God can fix this messed up world.
I have lost all confidence in elections beyond the border of my home state, and even then i dont put much stock in it.
i understand what you mean by God fixing this messed up world, but i do want to speak on something that you said made me think and i want to type it so anyone who comes here can read it. here it is:
its not the world that needs to be fixed. its the heart of man that needs fixing. it aint but One can do that.
all any of us can do is repent.
all this buzz about fixing the government, fixing the global temperature, carbon footprints, constitutional rights, blah blah blah. its all a distraction from seeing what really needs to be fixed. my heart, your heart. everyone's heart. And all we have to do is repent.
And the thing is God is really willing and ready to restore people. back to life. real life. one where A Consuming Fire consumes you. where there is sweet fellowship. And you are so content with this life that the whole fixing the messed up world is less than trivial. And we havent even got to the part where at His right hand there are pleasures forever more.
Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?
maybe the world isnt supposed to be fixed. maybe its mans heart. and all we have to do is repent.
Until the Millennial reign of Christ takes place, this world will continue to be messed up. I agree with you about that. I also agree with you 100 percent about our hearts. I was talking to the Lord a couple of weeks ago about what is happening in America, and how people have been praying and believing for God to remove the evil leaders and bring back President Trump. I felt like the Lord told me that while people were praying and believing, they had not fully repented of their sins. Their hearts were not right.
The leaders in this nation have led us into a ditch. They have opened the door to all kinds of sins, but here is the thing I cannot defend. When they did this, by allowing pornography, abortion, gay marriage, no fault divorce, and a host of other evil things to be legal, nobody is making anyone participate. If men and women continued to do right in spite of the freedom, none of these changes would effect us, but the fact that we do participate, even in the church, that is a heart problem. There is no reason why the divorce rate among Christians should be as high as in the world. There is no reason why the number of abortions should have gone from a few thousand a year to 1.3 million annually overnight, just because it was declared legal. This shows wickedness in our hearts, and we need to come to a place of true repentance before we should expect the Lord to come to our rescue. That must start in the church.
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Post by John on Apr 20, 2021 4:08:32 GMT -5
I am only adding this so nobody takes what I said the wrong way. While nobody is making us commit sins, just because evil has been decriminalized, that does not mean we should not reverse course when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage. If people are going to continue to do evil without laws in place, we need protections for unborn babies and Christians who do not want to recognize homosexual marriage without facing lawsuits over discrimination. I will continue to stand for the pro-life position. We cannot stand as a nation when our children are being slaughtered.
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Post by watchful on Apr 20, 2021 8:12:42 GMT -5
We can only keep praying that the Lord will move to lift people out of the ditches they have fallen into, give light to their eyes, and grant them a turn-around. Jesus is the only one who can save.
Luke 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
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Post by joseph on Jul 31, 2021 10:01:43 GMT -5
We can only keep praying that the Lord will move to lift people out of the ditches they have fallen into, give light to their eyes, and grant them a turn-around. Jesus is the only one who can save. Luke 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
The whole world is deceived, by pharmakeia, by the beast system, by the whore of babylon , even with click-bait like democracy or 'justice'.
Do you believe the Scripture you quoted ?
Did you ever find out which of hasatan's entities, which anti-christs, claim to have authority over and authority to change Scripture ? Which anti-christs have laughed mockingly, self-pleased, that other religious groups "bow down" to those anti-christs by continuing to accept the anti-christs authority in those things they changed ?
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Post by joseph on Jul 31, 2021 10:11:17 GMT -5
...what Jesus said in Mathew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Jesus gave us a conditional statement: if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. He never said one way or the other whether it was true or not. It was up to us Christians to answer it. By seeing what happen to this preacher I'd say it were true and many Christians today are being deceive by believing the lie. We are also told this in Romans 1:24-25
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
And doesn't paul also state in Rom 1:17 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
So are we really living by faith or out of fear are we worshiping the creature? "think about what Jesus said in Mathew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Jesus gave us a conditional statement: if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. He never said one way or the other whether it was true or not. It was up to us Christians to answer it. By seeing what happen to this preacher I'd say it were true and many Christians today are being deceive by believing the lie. We are also told this in Romans 1:24-25
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
And doesn't paul also state in Rom 1:17 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
So are we really living by faith or out of fear are we worshiping the creature?" ================================================================== Is it out of "fear", or deception in the church today? Deception in the internet, forums, webpages today ?
People may be as noted in Scripture - "sheep without a shepherd" , whether seeking a Shepherd, or grasping at anything, grasping at straws, grasping at cults/ beliefs / groups for "help", "acceptance", "comfort(s)", "self-acceptance" ...
The errors of the beast, of babylon, of anti-christs are in our midst. Who can stand this ? Who can do anything about this ? Who knows how to help the smoldering wick, the broken reed, the weak and suffering "Christians" or want-to-be-Christians? Who has the STRENGTH to resist the enemy, the pharmacy, the government, and the false churches,
AND to deliver those trapped and those confused and those who are on the wrong way of life ? AND the gentleness not to scare off the hopefully innocent ones, the little ones, hopefully followers of Jesus, but not living as followers of Jesus ?
Take care not to be dragged down with them, with fear saving some as though out of the pit of fire .... When do you start? When do you give up and move on ?
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