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Post by John on May 3, 2021 5:57:26 GMT -5
Here's an example of being separate from the world: 1Pe 4:3-4 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you As for traditional holidays like Christmas and Easter, I believe we can exercise Godly wisdom for them according to 1 Corinthians 8 and 10. Are you talking about this verse Watchful? 1Co 8:10 (10) For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; Because this has nothing to do with mixing of the pagan with the holy. God says no mixing, meat is just meat, and another verse says not to eat meat offered to idols, and also if someone sees someone who has knowledge eating meat in an idols temple, them that are weak, may end up thinking that it is ok to sacrifice meat to an idol, it will weaken their conscience, and also they may think there is a demon in the meat, but meat is just meat, meat does not defile someone, but mixing the holy with the unholy does defile someone. And the right thing to do, is to walk in the love of God and not in pride, and not be a stumbling block to a weaker brother: 1Co 8:11-12 (11) And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? (12) But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. It is calling this action of not walking in love towards a weak brother a sin, and a sin against Christ !!!!!! So it is best to totally abstain from eating meats sacrificed to idols, not only because of this scripture but because of what other scriptures say. But also for this reason: 1Co 10:28-29 (28) But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: (29) Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? By refusing to eat, it can bring conviction towards the one that sacrificed the meat to an idol, so to show them that sacrificing meat to idols is wrong. But mixing the holy with the unholy God says no, it is just simply no. The word Easter comes from the goddess Ishtar, that is how they got the name Easter, and it points to a pig sacrifice, and not a lamb sacrifice. Act 12:1-5 (1) Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. (2) And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.(3) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. ( Then were the days of unleavened bread.) (4) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (5) Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him. It was during the days of unleavened bread, that Peter was taken, and Passover begins before the days of unleavened bread takes place, so Easter was not referring to Passover here, Peter was taken during the days of unleavened bread which last 7 days, and Herod was intending to bring Peter forth to the people after the celebration of Easter. He was in jail during one of the days of unleavened bread, but was to be brought before the people after the celebration of Easter, which shows us that it was not referring to Passover which was already past. God does not want us to mix, and associate something pagan with Christ's death and resurrection, a proper thing to have called remembering Christ's death would have been to call it Passover, as God himself did through his Passover celebration. There is not much fear of God in this area, it seems like many think they can make up their own rules. We do not mix Christ's name with the unholy mass, we do not mix Christ's death with Easter, we do not call Christ's birth something God would not have called it. Deu 5:11 (11) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. You will be held guilty of taking his name in vain, the bible shows here, which should cause us to reverence his name at all costs. Whatever happened to revering his name? And we think we can make up our own rules, were does God give exceptions in the bible about taking his name in vain? Tell me? This is a very serious issue, and not to be taken lightly, a little leaven does leaven the whole lump, and at the beginning it seems so innocent, but look at most churches today, they are not careful to take the Lord's name in vain, they accept associating Christ's birth with the word Christmas, and adopt all the pagan ways of this celebration, and then there is Halloween, which they make a Christianized version of it, dressing up as saints, and they associate Easter with Christ's death, and adopt Easter bunny stuff, and many now celebrate Lent, and they are resembling more and more the Catholic church, and really paganism, don't tell me that a little leaven does not leaven the whole lump. It starts off with us not revering his name, so we let our guards down, and it prepares people to then receive other things, and water down the word that much more, take very serious what we associate Christ with. We have been so accustomed to just accepting certain norms, that it is hard to consider that there might be an issue with things like Easter and Christmas. I still do not think that celebrating the birth of Christ is sinful or celebrating the resurrection is sinful, but there are pagan things in our celebrations. One thing I have been having to take a hard look at lately is the Sabbath Day and pagan influences. There is no question that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, not the first day of the week, and there is nothing in the Bible that changes this. It is a tradition men are following to claim Sunday is the "Christian Sabbath." While I know that the Sabbath rest is more than just a calendar day, I also know that God hallowed the Sabbath Day in Genesis, long before he gave it as one of the 10 Commandments, yet the church turns a blind eye to this. If we really want to set things right, I suspect we have a lot of work to do.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 6:08:49 GMT -5
Satan loves to exalt the names of other gods, such as Easter is the name of another god, but God does not exalt other gods or their names, nor does he want to be associated with other gods in any way, shape, or form. I dont' know but there might be really two issues with this....one is whether the 'church' should have invented those holidays in the name of God and mixed them with idols. Talk about seeker friendly. And of course that was very wrong. But what might be a separate issue is the question of whether it's okay to acknowledge or celebrate those days in our society now, which has largely been at least nominally Christian. All I know is that there was no mention or intent to worship or commemorate false deities in my family when I was growing up. It was always about Jesus as far as I ever heard or knew, so that is all I have ever associated those days with, even before being saved, with Him, and Him alone...His birth and resurrection. Those in my circle that I get together with are almost all unbelievers but not pagans, they are mostly just secular and a few on my husband's side are Catholic...there is no thought or intention in their heads at all about false deities, they've never even heard of them I'm sure......if they were celebrating Ishtar or Tammuz or anything else unGodly, I wouldn't get together with them on those holidays....for the sake of their consciences. They are not riotous either so I just haven't seen any need to avoid their gatherings up to now as far as my conscience is concerned. But there might come a day when those holidays do become once again mixed with paganism though, and if that were to happen then of course I wouldn't have anything to do with it at all and would encourage other believers the same. I have no problem with calling Christmas by that name because I believe "mas" or "mass" just means celebration. But in recent years I try to avoid using the word Easter and call it resurrection day instead. Though even the days of the week are named after Roman gods, and I think some of the months.....but it doesn't necessarily mean we're recognizing or exalting or invoking false gods when we use those names. It's just something that was passed down from a long time ago and those former associations no longer exist in our current useage, up to the present at least. The issue with me on this is that Jesus is lifted up to the entire world at Christmas. Like Him or hate Him, the whole world hears Christmas songs, even on secular radio stations, in the month of December, and they see all of the festivities celebrating the birth of Christ. At Easter, the whole world is reminded of the death and resurrection of Jesus. I see Jesus being glorified.
At the same time, I see the paganism that Giller spoke of, and it is real. I see how Santa Claus is lifted up as almost a god to children. I see things like the mistletoe tradition, which is pagan, and at Easter, the Easter Bunny being promoted. There is a real mixing of the holy and profane, and this cannot be ignored. For that reason, I am not going to discount Giller's concerns. There needs to be a balance here. I do not condemn anyone who would choose to celebrate Christmas and Easter, but we know Jesus was not born on December 25 and we know that the dates chosen are the Catholic Church's way of trying to join pagan religions with Christianity to bring about unity. I feel like we need to go by what the Lord speaks to us in our conscience for now, but keep seeking. Do not be satisfied with the status quo, and be ready to change. We need to work through these things and get the truth, which is one thing I love about the people here at Narrow Way. I believe most sincerely want to do the right thing, and are willing to change if they find they are in error.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 6:13:28 GMT -5
I have a wonderful idea . we can rename the months . January , JESUS month , february , FOR HIS GLORY month , March , MAY THE LORD BE PRAISED MONTH April , ALL GLORY TO THE KING MONTH . May , MAY THE LORD BE HONORED June . JESUS IS LORD , July JESUS IS KING , August , ANOTHER ROUND OF PRAISE TO THE LORD MONTH Sept , SING TO THE KING . October , OH PRAISE THE LORD , November , NAME above all names JESUS month December , DELIGHT IN THE LORD month . Yeah . Sounds good to me . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED , LET all that has breath praise the LORD as for days of the weeks . Sunday , Shout praise to the Lord day , monday , MAY the LORD be praised , tuesday , TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY wednesday ,WONDERFUL SAVOIR JESUS day . Thursday , TO THE KING BE ALL GLORY DAY . Friday , Fast unto the Lord , saturday , SOUND THOSE PRAISES OUT UNTO THE LORD day . Hows that for a new calendar and new days of the week . SURE SOUNDS WONDERFUL . OH LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIENDS . You know frienduff , to work in a practical way, you would need to shorten the names of your months, but I love the concept. I have already been trying to look a the Calendar days as the First Day, Second Day, Third Day, etc., rather than by Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc. I have also been trying to get used to the day starting at 6 PM rather than Midnight. This is hard to do, when you have been engulfed in a pagan system for so long, but I like the idea of re-naming the Calendar Days, at least for our use. To be able to converse with those in our society, you would have little choice but to call them by their known name among the general population, but we could re-name them to something more Christian for our use. I like the way you think outside of the traditional box.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 6:22:48 GMT -5
I dont' know but there might be really two issues with this....one is whether the 'church' should have invented those holidays in the name of God and mixed them with idols. Talk about seeker friendly. And of course that was very wrong. But what might be a separate issue is the question of whether it's okay to acknowledge or celebrate those days in our society now, which has largely been at least nominally Christian. All I know is that there was no mention or intent to worship or commemorate false deities in my family when I was growing up. It was always about Jesus as far as I ever heard or knew, so that is all I have ever associated those days with, even before being saved, with Him, and Him alone...His birth and resurrection. Those in my circle that I get together with are almost all unbelievers but not pagans, they are mostly just secular and a few on my husband's side are Catholic...there is no thought or intention in their heads at all about false deities, they've never even heard of them I'm sure......if they were celebrating Ishtar or Tammuz or anything else unGodly, I wouldn't get together with them on those holidays....for the sake of their consciences. They are not riotous either so I just haven't seen any need to avoid their gatherings up to now as far as my conscience is concerned. But there might come a day when those holidays do become once again mixed with paganism though, and if that were to happen then of course I wouldn't have anything to do with it at all and would encourage other believers the same. I have no problem with calling Christmas by that name because I believe "mas" or "mass" just means celebration. But in recent years I try to avoid using the word Easter and call it resurrection day instead. Though even the days of the week are named after Roman gods, and I think some of the months.....but it doesn't necessarily mean we're recognizing or exalting or invoking false gods when we use those names. It's just something that was passed down from a long time ago and those former associations no longer exist in our current useage, up to the present at least. We have to see things God's way, and when something is rooted in paganism, God will never accept it, regardless to one changing it's meaning or not, God wants the roots to be chopped down, destroyed, period. The ax has got to be laid to the root. He wants himself to be glorified, and not for us to make excuses of justifying bad roots, it is not what it is to you that counts, it is what is it to God that counts, let us lay ourselves aside, and have the mind of Christ. No mixture, and the bible also says this: Hos 4:6 (6) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. It talks about if we forget the law of God, I will also forget thy children, hmmm. And also the bible says this: Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. And when God did mention the names of other gods, it was always in a negative way, and never positive, and never in some flippant casual, almost accepting way. We should not seek approval of the world. And yes worldly people are pagans, they may not be in the sense that they worship some image, or some statue type god, but be sure they have their idols, as much as the pagans of the past, which it may be a rock star that they worship, some sports star, porn star, or whatever false star that they are into. We were all idol worshipers when we were in unbelief. Most worldly people could not care less about meanings of things, because they just do not care, their lives are not about pleasing God and holiness, but God cares, therefore we should. So we should never take his name flippantly, and think that he will be ok with it. These holidays are not created by God, but I am not sure that it is about God accepting them, as in accepting worship, or them being used as a tool of evangelism. Christmas and Easter open doors to reach the lost, as they already are aware of what Christians are celebrating. The atheists and sinners would love for the church to do away with these celebrations, because God is seen everywhere at these times of the Calendar year. I see nothing good in helping them make the world more secular, but I do agree with you about the mixing of paganism with Christianity, and how we need to look at the things we do at Christmas and Easter, and consider if we are engaging in paganism. There is no reason to do that, even in witnessing.
Just like frienduff mentioned re-naming the months, and I am also considering how me might re-name the days of the week, we as Christians could still celebrate the birth of Christ on a day thought more likely to be his real birthday. I actually researched this once, and wrote down the day they believe Jesus was really born. We could choose to celebrate His birth on that day, and keep the pagan things like Santa Claus out of it. I am open to changing how we do things, because we need not behave like the world. I see so many areas where the world has had a bad influence on the church, rather than the other way around. We need to become salty again, and we need to shine a light again.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 6:31:31 GMT -5
Deu 12:29-32 (29) When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (32) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. I repeat, God does not want us to serve him like the pagans, when they serve their gods, and how they serve their gods, but neither does he want us to be like the world in their ways of sensual, drunken celebrations. In the world, there is no careful thought of how they do their celebrations, but with God there is careful thought, and high consideration of how God wants to be celebrated. God gives us a pattern in the bible, and he wants our worship. Let us follow his pattern, and in celebrations, there is some type of exaltation to one degree or another towards someone or something, whether it be innocent, or not so innocent. And God says to do all to his glory, and not to add or diminish from his ways, and in this area of not being careful in how we celebrate God, it shows a lack of reverence for God, and being more concerned about what we like or dislike, rather than what truly pleases God. In this area, I do not hear too many defenses about what pleases God, but I hear a lot of defenses of, me, myself and I. To me, the issue is not about how we are choosing to worship God. We should worship God 365 days of the calendar year, and 366 days on leap year. It is about using these events to share the gospel. Remove the paganism out of the holidays, and even choose not to participate yourself, but being on a campaign against Christmas and Easter to me is counter productive. It is helping the atheists and devil's crowd make us more secular, and removing the Lord further out of society. Their emphasis at Christmas is to remove things like manger scenes and anything that points to Jesus, while promoting Santa Claus and consumerism. At Easter, the devil's crowd wants us to focus on the Easter Bunny and Easter egg hunts, rather than on the death and resurrection of Jesus. We need to be smart in keeping Jesus front and center, as the Lord makes everyday Holy for those who are pure in heart. The devil did not create December 25 and even October 31 for that matter. He has no right to any day on the calendar. We could in reality find creative ways to celebrate the Lord on each day of the year if we wanted to. I totally get where you are coming from, but I do not just see this as mixing paganism with Christianity. I see this as abandoning ways to make Jesus front and center, and also giving up certain calendar days to Satan and his servants, just because they happen to celebrate evil on certain days of the year.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 6:40:55 GMT -5
Here is something I believe we all need to do and in all areas. Let us suppose we knew nothing but the Bible. We were on an island to ourselves, and we had the Holy Scriptures but nothing else to go by, and we were going to start a nation that glorified God, how different would it look from our society? This is something I have felt a strong burden about. You cannot fix what is broken in our churches and society if they began with a flawed foundation. Giller has been pointing this out regarding celebrations. Let us suppose we were all starting over from scratch, and the KJV Bible is our foundation. How much different would we do things? How much different would our society be? I do not go along with people today who try to make out like much of the Bible is cultural, and those things no longer apply. I believe the Bible contains eternal truths, and if we really want to fix things, from the Christian family to the Christian Church, to even our government, we need to start with the firm foundation of the Bible.
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Post by watchful on May 3, 2021 7:45:21 GMT -5
I dont' know but there might be really two issues with this....one is whether the 'church' should have invented those holidays in the name of God and mixed them with idols. Talk about seeker friendly. And of course that was very wrong. But what might be a separate issue is the question of whether it's okay to acknowledge or celebrate those days in our society now, which has largely been at least nominally Christian. All I know is that there was no mention or intent to worship or commemorate false deities in my family when I was growing up. It was always about Jesus as far as I ever heard or knew, so that is all I have ever associated those days with, even before being saved, with Him, and Him alone...His birth and resurrection. Those in my circle that I get together with are almost all unbelievers but not pagans, they are mostly just secular and a few on my husband's side are Catholic...there is no thought or intention in their heads at all about false deities, they've never even heard of them I'm sure......if they were celebrating Ishtar or Tammuz or anything else unGodly, I wouldn't get together with them on those holidays....for the sake of their consciences. They are not riotous either so I just haven't seen any need to avoid their gatherings up to now as far as my conscience is concerned. But there might come a day when those holidays do become once again mixed with paganism though, and if that were to happen then of course I wouldn't have anything to do with it at all and would encourage other believers the same. I have no problem with calling Christmas by that name because I believe "mas" or "mass" just means celebration. But in recent years I try to avoid using the word Easter and call it resurrection day instead. Though even the days of the week are named after Roman gods, and I think some of the months.....but it doesn't necessarily mean we're recognizing or exalting or invoking false gods when we use those names. It's just something that was passed down from a long time ago and those former associations no longer exist in our current useage, up to the present at least. The issue with me on this is that Jesus is lifted up to the entire world at Christmas. Like Him or hate Him, the whole world hears Christmas songs, even on secular radio stations, in the month of December, and they see all of the festivities celebrating the birth of Christ. At Easter, the whole world is reminded of the death and resurrection of Jesus. I see Jesus being glorified.
At the same time, I see the paganism that Giller spoke of, and it is real. I see how Santa Claus is lifted up as almost a god to children. I see things like the mistletoe tradition, which is pagan, and at Easter, the Easter Bunny being promoted. There is a real mixing of the holy and profane, and this cannot be ignored. For that reason, I am not going to discount Giller's concerns. There needs to be a balance here. I do not condemn anyone who would choose to celebrate Christmas and Easter, but we know Jesus was not born on December 25 and we know that the dates chosen are the Catholic Church's way of trying to join pagan religions with Christianity to bring about unity. I feel like we need to go by what the Lord speaks to us in our conscience for now, but keep seeking. Do not be satisfied with the status quo, and be ready to change. We need to work through these things and get the truth, which is one thing I love about the people here at Narrow Way. I believe most sincerely want to do the right thing, and are willing to change if they find they are in error.
I'm all in favour of being separate from the world, and not mixing the holy with the profane. Just that the thread seems to really be about making a case that it's unlawful for believers to remember and celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ on those days, and I just dont' see that. If we just look at this with the simplicity of Christ we won't need to think too hard about it. It's not sinful to avoid those holidays either, He hasn't commanded it...whether we do or we don't, it is to the Lord.
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Post by watchful on May 3, 2021 7:46:56 GMT -5
I have a wonderful idea . we can rename the months . January , JESUS month , february , FOR HIS GLORY month , March , MAY THE LORD BE PRAISED MONTH April , ALL GLORY TO THE KING MONTH . May , MAY THE LORD BE HONORED June . JESUS IS LORD , July JESUS IS KING , August , ANOTHER ROUND OF PRAISE TO THE LORD MONTH Sept , SING TO THE KING . October , OH PRAISE THE LORD , November , NAME above all names JESUS month December , DELIGHT IN THE LORD month . Yeah . Sounds good to me . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED , LET all that has breath praise the LORD as for days of the weeks . Sunday , Shout praise to the Lord day , monday , MAY the LORD be praised , tuesday , TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY wednesday ,WONDERFUL SAVOIR JESUS day . Thursday , TO THE KING BE ALL GLORY DAY . Friday , Fast unto the Lord , saturday , SOUND THOSE PRAISES OUT UNTO THE LORD day . Hows that for a new calendar and new days of the week . SURE SOUNDS WONDERFUL . OH LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIENDS . You know frienduff , to work in a practical way, you would need to shorten the names of your months, but I love the concept. I have already been trying to look a the Calendar days as the First Day, Second Day, Third Day, etc., rather than by Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc. I have also been trying to get used to the day starting at 6 PM rather than Midnight. This is hard to do, when you have been engulfed in a pagan system for so long, but I like the idea of re-naming the Calendar Days, at least for our use. To be able to converse with those in our society, you would have little choice but to call them by their known name among the general population, but we could re-name them to something more Christian for our use. I like the way you think outside of the traditional box.
It's not necessary though brother, since God's kingdom is not of this world.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 8:05:24 GMT -5
The issue with me on this is that Jesus is lifted up to the entire world at Christmas. Like Him or hate Him, the whole world hears Christmas songs, even on secular radio stations, in the month of December, and they see all of the festivities celebrating the birth of Christ. At Easter, the whole world is reminded of the death and resurrection of Jesus. I see Jesus being glorified.
At the same time, I see the paganism that Giller spoke of, and it is real. I see how Santa Claus is lifted up as almost a god to children. I see things like the mistletoe tradition, which is pagan, and at Easter, the Easter Bunny being promoted. There is a real mixing of the holy and profane, and this cannot be ignored. For that reason, I am not going to discount Giller's concerns. There needs to be a balance here. I do not condemn anyone who would choose to celebrate Christmas and Easter, but we know Jesus was not born on December 25 and we know that the dates chosen are the Catholic Church's way of trying to join pagan religions with Christianity to bring about unity. I feel like we need to go by what the Lord speaks to us in our conscience for now, but keep seeking. Do not be satisfied with the status quo, and be ready to change. We need to work through these things and get the truth, which is one thing I love about the people here at Narrow Way. I believe most sincerely want to do the right thing, and are willing to change if they find they are in error.
I'm all in favour of being separate from the world, and not mixing the holy with the profane. Just that the thread seems to really be about making a case that it's unlawful for believers to remember and celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ on those days, and I just dont' see that. If we just look at this with the simplicity of Christ we won't need to think too hard about it. It's not sinful to avoid those holidays either, He hasn't commanded it...whether we do or we don't, it is to the Lord. He seems to be making the case we are not worshipping in truth and are learning and practicing the ways of the heathen. That is a concern, but I understand your position too, and it is not without merit.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 8:12:52 GMT -5
You know frienduff , to work in a practical way, you would need to shorten the names of your months, but I love the concept. I have already been trying to look a the Calendar days as the First Day, Second Day, Third Day, etc., rather than by Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc. I have also been trying to get used to the day starting at 6 PM rather than Midnight. This is hard to do, when you have been engulfed in a pagan system for so long, but I like the idea of re-naming the Calendar Days, at least for our use. To be able to converse with those in our society, you would have little choice but to call them by their known name among the general population, but we could re-name them to something more Christian for our use. I like the way you think outside of the traditional box.
It's not necessary though brother, since God's kingdom is not of this world. The Kingdom of God is in heaven, but we represent it on earth.
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Post by watchful on May 3, 2021 8:29:19 GMT -5
I have a wonderful idea . we can rename the months . January , JESUS month , february , FOR HIS GLORY month , March , MAY THE LORD BE PRAISED MONTH April , ALL GLORY TO THE KING MONTH . May , MAY THE LORD BE HONORED June . JESUS IS LORD , July JESUS IS KING , August , ANOTHER ROUND OF PRAISE TO THE LORD MONTH Sept , SING TO THE KING . October , OH PRAISE THE LORD , November , NAME above all names JESUS month December , DELIGHT IN THE LORD month . Yeah . Sounds good to me . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED , LET all that has breath praise the LORD as for days of the weeks . Sunday , Shout praise to the Lord day , monday , MAY the LORD be praised , tuesday , TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY wednesday ,WONDERFUL SAVOIR JESUS day . Thursday , TO THE KING BE ALL GLORY DAY . Friday , Fast unto the Lord , saturday , SOUND THOSE PRAISES OUT UNTO THE LORD day . Hows that for a new calendar and new days of the week . SURE SOUNDS WONDERFUL . OH LET THE LORD BE PRAISED MY FRIENDS . That is what I have been doing since yesterday. Praise the Lord you have just suggested something similar. Because this is a difficult month for me, I am not going by it’s dates this month. I am calling the next 30 days, from yesterday, “Praise the Lord 1st”. Today I have called it, “Praise the Lord 2nd”. Tomorrow I will be calling it, “Praise the Lord 3rd” and on I will roll it. So let’s praise the glorious Lord. May the Lord heal all our griefs, sister....He can give us courage to face it with Him, little by little as we are ready to. He loves us and ministers to us personally in our areas of need. Recently grief over my mother's death was triggered by something and the Lord lifted it off me, hard to explain but He just took it, bless His name, and I know in my heart it won't trigger it again.
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Post by Giller on May 3, 2021 9:04:55 GMT -5
Here is something I believe we all need to do and in all areas. Let us suppose we knew nothing but the Bible. We were on an island to ourselves, and we had the Holy Scriptures but nothing else to go by, and we were going to start a nation that glorified God, how different would it look from our society? This is something I have felt a strong burden about. You cannot fix what is broken in our churches and society if they began with a flawed foundation. Giller has been pointing this out regarding celebrations. Let us suppose we were all starting over from scratch, and the KJV Bible is our foundation. How much different would we do things? How much different would our society be? I do not go along with people today who try to make out like much of the Bible is cultural, and those things no longer apply. I believe the Bible contains eternal truths, and if we really want to fix things, from the Christian family to the Christian Church, to even our government, we need to start with the firm foundation of the Bible.
If we lived on an island, and never heard of these celebrations, and with a sincere heart, we happen to make a celebration that remembers Jesus' birth, we would not be calling it Christmas, we would be calling it something like what the bible calls it, Jesus' birth, and most likely we would try to celebrate it as close as possible to his real birth. And even in remembering the resurrection of Jesus, and his death, we would not be calling it Easter, or Ishtar, in fact in the Lord's supper we are continuously remembering his death. It is not a hard thing to see, the bible says this: Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, n either let it be heard out of thy mouth. We need a witness that is totally separate from paganism in every way, that way only the truth will be shown, and not mixing lies with the truth, or taking the Lord's name in vain. We need only the truth, no mixture at all, and I am all for celebrating the birth of Jesus, and his death and resurrection, but without mixture, in name, in practice, and in doing things God's way. God has made every day, but men have invented pagan celebrations, and Satan has brought about these things, as a counterfeit to God's ways , celebrations, and so on. It is well known that The sun god was said to be born on December 25th and it was purposefully chosen for this purpose, by the Roman Catholic church, there is no hiding this, all they did is mix paganism with the bible. And I had unbelievers come to me, wondering why people were observing Halloween, even Christmas, when it is known that there is paganism attached to these things. It is not as much of a witness, as we think it is, a better witness, is just to simply live out the gospel, because I have never seen a great witness with Christmas. Living out the gospel is the best witness, because in reality, you can have all the celebration you want, it will do nothing unless you live it out. Purity in every way should be the goal, and yes seeing things God's way should also be the goal, people who seek the truth, want to see things God's way. We are suppose to put on the mind of Christ, and not the mind of our own opinion.
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Post by Giller on May 3, 2021 9:08:22 GMT -5
And for myself, I think upon his resurrection and death, basically everyday, even on what is called Easter, but I do not remember it because of Easter, but in spite of Easter, me the goal is not Easter or Ishtar, but life in Christ period.
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Post by John on May 3, 2021 9:32:33 GMT -5
Here is something I believe we all need to do and in all areas. Let us suppose we knew nothing but the Bible. We were on an island to ourselves, and we had the Holy Scriptures but nothing else to go by, and we were going to start a nation that glorified God, how different would it look from our society? This is something I have felt a strong burden about. You cannot fix what is broken in our churches and society if they began with a flawed foundation. Giller has been pointing this out regarding celebrations. Let us suppose we were all starting over from scratch, and the KJV Bible is our foundation. How much different would we do things? How much different would our society be? I do not go along with people today who try to make out like much of the Bible is cultural, and those things no longer apply. I believe the Bible contains eternal truths, and if we really want to fix things, from the Christian family to the Christian Church, to even our government, we need to start with the firm foundation of the Bible.
If we lived on an island, and never heard of these celebrations, and with a sincere heart, we happen to make a celebration that remembers Jesus' birth, we would not be calling it Christmas, we would be calling it something like what the bible calls it, Jesus' birth, and most likely we would try to celebrate it as close as possible to his real birth. And even in remembering the resurrection of Jesus, and his death, we would not be calling it Easter, or Ishtar, in fact in the Lord's supper we are continuously remembering his death. It is not a hard thing to see, the bible says this: Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, n either let it be heard out of thy mouth. We need a witness that is totally separate from paganism in every way, that way only the truth will be shown, and not mixing lies with the truth, or taking the Lord's name in vain. We need only the truth, no mixture at all, and I am all for celebrating the birth of Jesus, and his death and resurrection, but without mixture, in name, in practice, and in doing things God's way. God has made every day, but men have invented pagan celebrations, and Satan has brought about these things, as a counterfeit to God's ways , celebrations, and so on. It is well known that The sun god was said to be born on December 25th and it was purposefully chosen for this purpose, by the Roman Catholic church, there is no hiding this, all they did is mix paganism with the bible. And I had unbelievers come to me, wondering why people were observing Halloween, even Christmas, when it is known that there is paganism attached to these things. It is not as much of a witness, as we think it is, a better witness, is just to simply live out the gospel, because I have never seen a great witness with Christmas. Living out the gospel is the best witness, because in reality, you can have all the celebration you want, it will do nothing unless you live it out. Purity in every way should be the goal, and yes seeing things God's way should also be the goal, people who seek the truth, want to see things God's way. We are suppose to put on the mind of Christ, and not the mind of our own opinion. Unless a person has had their head in the sand, they know that the Catholics chose December 25 to celebrate Jesus' birth to coincide with a pagan holiday. They were trying to unite all the world religions. As a matter of fact, the Catholics do not believe Jesus was born on December 25.
It has been sometime since I found this information, but I think the source was Catholic, and they have Jesus' real birthday as taking place on August 12, 3758, which became August 12, 3 B.C. They also recognize that the day of Jesus' resurrection was April 28, 3791 or April 28, 31 A.D. They also are responsible for changing our calendars. They even have a day they have on record as being John The Baptist's birthday, and that is March 17, 3758 or March 17, 3 B.C. As such, if they believe this, why celebrate Jesus' birth and His resurrection on the days they do? We all know the answer to that question. I am not arguing about any of that.
With regard to "Mas," Watchful is right in saying that just means celebration, so Christ-Mas means to celebrate Christ. I hardly see that as taking His name in vain to use words that mean to celebrate Christ. At the same time, Catholics have a Mas everyday of the calendar year, and celebrate one saint or another on each day. That to me is problematic in that it reduces a celebration of Christ down to the level of just one of 365 different people. I still do not see this as using His name in vain or even doing anything out of malice, but I do see a possible issue.
Getting back to the actual birthday of Christ, let's say we were starting all over, and we had reason to believe that Jesus was indeed born on August 12. I have no reason to doubt it, because there is no reason for Catholics to give this date as accurate, when it proves they celebrate Jesus birth on the wrong calendar day. Would we consider a holiday celebrating Jesus birthday on that day? The same thing for the resurrection. Would we celebrate it each year on April 28 rather than Easter? Would that be better? I kind of think it would, and leave the paganism out of it.
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Post by Giller on May 3, 2021 9:52:20 GMT -5
If we lived on an island, and never heard of these celebrations, and with a sincere heart, we happen to make a celebration that remembers Jesus' birth, we would not be calling it Christmas, we would be calling it something like what the bible calls it, Jesus' birth, and most likely we would try to celebrate it as close as possible to his real birth. And even in remembering the resurrection of Jesus, and his death, we would not be calling it Easter, or Ishtar, in fact in the Lord's supper we are continuously remembering his death. It is not a hard thing to see, the bible says this: Exo 23:13 (13) And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, n either let it be heard out of thy mouth. We need a witness that is totally separate from paganism in every way, that way only the truth will be shown, and not mixing lies with the truth, or taking the Lord's name in vain. We need only the truth, no mixture at all, and I am all for celebrating the birth of Jesus, and his death and resurrection, but without mixture, in name, in practice, and in doing things God's way. God has made every day, but men have invented pagan celebrations, and Satan has brought about these things, as a counterfeit to God's ways , celebrations, and so on. It is well known that The sun god was said to be born on December 25th and it was purposefully chosen for this purpose, by the Roman Catholic church, there is no hiding this, all they did is mix paganism with the bible. And I had unbelievers come to me, wondering why people were observing Halloween, even Christmas, when it is known that there is paganism attached to these things. It is not as much of a witness, as we think it is, a better witness, is just to simply live out the gospel, because I have never seen a great witness with Christmas. Living out the gospel is the best witness, because in reality, you can have all the celebration you want, it will do nothing unless you live it out. Purity in every way should be the goal, and yes seeing things God's way should also be the goal, people who seek the truth, want to see things God's way. We are suppose to put on the mind of Christ, and not the mind of our own opinion. Unless a person has had their head in the sand, they know that the Catholics chose December 25 to celebrate Jesus' birth to coincide with a pagan holiday. They were trying to unite all the world religions. As a matter of fact, the Catholics do not believe Jesus was born on December 25.
It has been sometime since I found this information, but I think the source was Catholic, and they have Jesus' real birthday as taking place on August 12, 3758, which became August 12, 3 B.C. They also recognize that the day of Jesus' resurrection was April 28, 3791 or April 28, 31 A.D. They also are responsible for changing our calendars. They even have a day they have on record as being John The Baptist's birthday, and that is March 17, 3758 or March 17, 3 B.C. As such, if they believe this, why celebrate Jesus' birth and His resurrection on the days they do? We all know the answer to that question. I am not arguing about any of that.
With regard to "Mas," Watchful is right in saying that just means celebration, so Christ-Mas means to celebrate Christ. I hardly see that as taking His name in vain to use words that mean to celebrate Christ. At the same time, Catholics have a Mas everyday of the calendar year, and celebrate one saint or another on each day. That to me is problematic in that it reduces a celebration of Christ down to the level of just one of 365 different people. I still do not see this as using His name in vain or even doing anything out of malice, but I do see a possible issue.
Getting back to the actual birthday of Christ, let's say we were starting all over, and we had reason to believe that Jesus was indeed born on August 12. I have no reason to doubt it, because there is no reason for Catholics to give this date as accurate, when it proves they celebrate Jesus birth on the wrong calendar day. Would we consider a holiday celebrating Jesus birthday on that day? The same thing for the resurrection. Would we celebrate it each year on April 28 rather than Easter? Would that be better? I kind of think it would, and leave the paganism out of it.
I know were people get the word "mas" as referring to a celebration, but the word Christmas, does not originate from that, it originates from this: (www.apostolicolivetree.com)
(...CHRISTMAS IS AN INVENTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
The first error in Christmas celebration has to do with the word ‘Christmas’ itself. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the word ‘Christmas’ is composed of two words, ‘Christ’ and ‘mass,’ and it is in fact a word for the holy day which is the celebration of ‘the mass of Christ.’ Did you get that?
“The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131.”...
...The word ‘Christmas’ itself is an attempt to join the Holy Name of Christ with ‘mass,’…
...Earlier it was proven that ‘Christmas’ is actually a compound word, the joining together of ‘Christ’ and ‘mass.’ The ‘mass’ doctrine is a falsehood of the Roman Catholic Church….
…It is based on the doctrine of ‘transubstantiation,’ the belief that the bread and wine of the Lord’s Supper ACTUALLY BECOME THE LITERAL body of Jesus and the blood of Jesus. That doctrine is indeed akin to cannibalism in some respects! .....)
It was a word that was brought about in the dark ages, and it really did come from the Catholic church, so it did not originate from the way some use the word mas, but it's true intention was to point to the Roman Catholic celebration of transubstantiation, so it is wrong to associate Christ's name with the word mass, or short form mas, and God never called Jesus' birth that.
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