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Post by watchful on May 5, 2021 11:31:51 GMT -5
The govts and nations of the world will only continue to wax worse and worse , decieving and being decieved . We must simply cling to Christ and be faithful to our LORD even unto death . Trust in the LORD and do good . Exhorting one another daily and having all our HOPE in Christ as we wait patiently for HIS coming . That other go spell is abounding more and more now . And that we must be no partaker of it . WE must expose it and point only to Christ . As Christ told the first ones we must continue in the same . SOme of HIS last words , GO YE into all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , TEACHING THEM to OBSERVE , TO DO , all things i have taught you . Many denominations are now in dire trouble . And we must continue IN CHRIST , in the gospel , holding fast our profession to the end . Teaching and reminding all to be hearers and doers of all things He did teach . This original gospel is being fast replaced with a false all inclusive one . And we must not be partakers of its evil deeds . Go out faithful to CHRIST and our end shall be good . I think it's like a fork in the road......whether churches, or governments and nations, if they take a wrong turn and go down the wrong road, we just keep on going the strait way, and in that way we've parted ways with them. It's not necessary to put a sign on our door or plant a flag in the yard, or to withdraw and start a separate religious community of some kind....I think separation from the world is just in spirit, like the communion of saints is in spirit.
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Post by frienduff on May 5, 2021 13:02:09 GMT -5
Oh there is a lot of areas that God wants us to be separate in, no doubt, so I would agree with basically everything you said here, except I think that the Easter etc, issue is bigger than what we think, a little leaven leavens a whole lump, one thing leads to another. But yes there are many areas. There is the issue of the conscience via the meats issue in Corinthians, which meats is just meats, but there are perimeters to these issues, not everything falls under these issues, if God says thou shalt not kill, you can try to justify it all you want, God's word remains the same. And then there are certain things that are neutral in and of itself, to were some might consider a certain thing a sin to them, which is not to someone else, but even in this there are perimeters, and you can go too far. And concerning the issue of mixing the holy with the unholy, that is what it is, it is wrong to God, and one can try to justify it all they want in their conscience, it is still wrong. When we become born again, there are things we do not yet see, in the realm of it being right or wrong, but even throughout all our life, God is always revealing, and drawing us closer to him, and changing us. We have to be careful how we use this conscience issue to justify things, because some things are just not justifiable, that is why we really do need to seek God's face, and see things God's way, and why would we not seek this?? I do not buy the argument of (for the most part), well this means this to me, therefore it is, but some issues you really have to dig deeper, because we can easily deceive ourselves, we have to remember that we are not the standard, the word is. Just giving reminders here. I understand and am not disagreeing in principle, just that I don't think it's necessary to make a rule about completely avoiding any kind of involvement with those holidays. When I was seeking the Lord about these questions, He had me to stop having a Christmas tree (because it can be an idol). Also I stopped buying chocolate bunnies and eggs for the kids when they were young, because of the fertility symbolism, just bought other kinds of chocolate and candy instead. Right now I consider Christmas and Easter to be just a secular tradition for most people, like we might attend a graduation party or retirement or birthday celebration with unbelievers, or hold one ourselves. There is nothing nefarious about it and God doesn't forbid simple enjoyments like that, as long as we are temperate and not being self-indulgent. Jesus attended weddings and ate and drank with sinners. The day might come when something unGodly moves into the vacuum though....I wouldn't be surprised if Christmas were to merge with other pagan holidays at some point, and they call it a Coexist party...in a case like that of course I would give it a skip. z Yes sister that all inclusive stuff is taking over with everything . I would not be at all surprised . Coexistmas . Would not shock me in the least .
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Post by frienduff on May 5, 2021 13:04:46 GMT -5
The govts and nations of the world will only continue to wax worse and worse , decieving and being decieved . We must simply cling to Christ and be faithful to our LORD even unto death . Trust in the LORD and do good . Exhorting one another daily and having all our HOPE in Christ as we wait patiently for HIS coming . That other go spell is abounding more and more now . And that we must be no partaker of it . WE must expose it and point only to Christ . As Christ told the first ones we must continue in the same . SOme of HIS last words , GO YE into all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , TEACHING THEM to OBSERVE , TO DO , all things i have taught you . Many denominations are now in dire trouble . And we must continue IN CHRIST , in the gospel , holding fast our profession to the end . Teaching and reminding all to be hearers and doers of all things He did teach . This original gospel is being fast replaced with a false all inclusive one . And we must not be partakers of its evil deeds . Go out faithful to CHRIST and our end shall be good . I think it's like a fork in the road......whether churches, or governments and nations, if they take a wrong turn and go down the wrong road, we just keep on going the strait way, and in that way we've parted ways with them. It's not necessary to put a sign on our door or plant a flag in the yard, or to withdraw and start a separate religious community of some kind....I think separation from the world is just in spirit, like the communion of saints is in spirit. Though the idea of a small community of believers sounds wonderful . I know its not necessary . Soon enough though we gonna see the TEETH behind this all inclusive we are one . It was never about unity for world peace , what this is about is power and control and its the work of the dragon through men . OH , but the LORD is with the lambs . Whether we live or die our HOPE IS in the LORD .
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Post by watchful on May 6, 2021 6:51:26 GMT -5
I think it's like a fork in the road......whether churches, or governments and nations, if they take a wrong turn and go down the wrong road, we just keep on going the strait way, and in that way we've parted ways with them. It's not necessary to put a sign on our door or plant a flag in the yard, or to withdraw and start a separate religious community of some kind....I think separation from the world is just in spirit, like the communion of saints is in spirit. Though the idea of a small community of believers sounds wonderful . I know its not necessary . Soon enough though we gonna see the TEETH behind this all inclusive we are one . It was never about unity for world peace , what this is about is power and control and its the work of the dragon through men . OH , but the LORD is with the lambs . Whether we live or die our HOPE IS in the LORD . Men are always trying to create utopia/heaven on earth by their own efforts and ways and not only does it never work, it leads to evil, over and over again do we see this, because the dragon is always behind works of the flesh.
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Post by frienduff on May 6, 2021 7:44:27 GMT -5
Though the idea of a small community of believers sounds wonderful . I know its not necessary . Soon enough though we gonna see the TEETH behind this all inclusive we are one . It was never about unity for world peace , what this is about is power and control and its the work of the dragon through men . OH , but the LORD is with the lambs . Whether we live or die our HOPE IS in the LORD . Men are always trying to create utopia/heaven on earth by their own efforts and ways and not only does it never work, it leads to evil, over and over again do we see this, because the dragon is always behind works of the flesh. Yes we should keep it simple . Just stir one another up with the reminders of our Lord . Let us keep centered on Christ , on biblical sound doctrine and growing in the grace of our Lord . The utopia of man , the idea of it always leads to bloodshed in order to attain that goal . And never does it work . JESUS himself will set up a Kingdom on this earth one day . We simply wait upon the LORD . Knowing times will only worsen the closer we get to the coming of our Lord . Let us just stir one another up with truth , with the reminders our Lord and the apostles did teach .
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Post by Giller on May 7, 2021 11:56:52 GMT -5
I think it's like a fork in the road......whether churches, or governments and nations, if they take a wrong turn and go down the wrong road, we just keep on going the strait way, and in that way we've parted ways with them. It's not necessary to put a sign on our door or plant a flag in the yard, or to withdraw and start a separate religious community of some kind....I think separation from the world is just in spirit, like the communion of saints is in spirit. Though the idea of a small community of believers sounds wonderful . I know its not necessary . Soon enough though we gonna see the TEETH behind this all inclusive we are one . It was never about unity for world peace , what this is about is power and control and its the work of the dragon through men . OH , but the LORD is with the lambs . Whether we live or die our HOPE IS in the LORD . In the end, you just pray about things, and yes God does bring believers together, it is part of his will, but seek him in prayer in your situation, and follow what he tells ya. If it is a yes to move to such and such a place to be with such and such a believer, than do so, and if not, because you might be called in the place were you are, then so be it also. But we must always seek his face.
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Post by Giller on May 7, 2021 12:00:23 GMT -5
Always seek his face, and search out things to know whether such and such things are of God or not, and let us never come to a place were we think we have attained, and do not have to learn anymore, that is a very dangerous place to be.
Always seek his face and search out the scriptures, while praying to God to reveal his word to you.
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Post by Giller on May 7, 2021 12:16:59 GMT -5
So 2 big scriptures, in regards to separation are:
Rom 12:2 (2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Deu 12:30-31 (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Many in the all inclusive movement, actually enquirer of other religions, of how they serve their gods, and sometimes implement some of their ways in their services and so on, such as implementing new age practices, even seances, praying for the dead, and so on, and you hear about this thing called grave soaking in certain churches, and then there is this Chris-slam thing, to were they try to merge Islam and Christianity.
And then there is the worldly aspect, such as partying like the world does, getting drunk, going to and drinking in bars, to be a so called witness.
Being like the world, to gain the world, which does not work, and it brings no conviction.
But if you walk opposite to this, you will be walking in God's will, and in his love.
And if you know these next scriptures well, and know what each thing means, you discernment will be that much greater, when you encounter such and such a thing:
Gal 5:19-23 (19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The type of fruit it brings forth, will always eventually show forth.
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Post by watchful on May 8, 2021 6:13:41 GMT -5
So 2 big scriptures, in regards to separation are: Rom 12:2 (2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Deu 12:30-31 (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. Many in the all inclusive movement, actually enquirer of other religions, of how they serve their gods, and sometimes implement some of their ways in their services and so on, such as implementing new age practices, even seances, praying for the dead, and so on, and you hear about this thing called grave soaking in certain churches, and then there is this Chris-slam thing, to were they try to merge Islam and Christianity. And then there is the worldly aspect, such as partying like the world does, getting drunk, going to and drinking in bars, to be a so called witness. Being like the world, to gain the world, which does not work, and it brings no conviction. But if you walk opposite to this, you will be walking in God's will, and in his love. And if you know these next scriptures well, and know what each thing means, you discernment will be that much greater, when you encounter such and such a thing: Gal 5:19-23 (19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. The type of fruit it brings forth, will always eventually show forth. It's just like ancient Israel in her apostasy resorting to pagan practices....all flesh is the same and leads to the same. It's so sad and inconceivable that people in the church are doing such things....they are in very grave danger, if they even really are true believers. But it shows you how powerful deception can be, how people can do such strange and bizarre things when they are deceived. God commends those who do not know the deep things of Satan.
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