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Post by PG4Him on Jul 19, 2018 7:51:50 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site???
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2018 9:44:26 GMT -5
I felt a strong, hostile demonic presence at WCF, and participating there made me feel spiritually vexed and weary, not refreshed. (Another Christian forum was even worse: The un-Christlike attitudes there were repulsive. Of course, not everyone who professes to be a Christian really is, and that's the case on Christian forums too.) Yes, discussion there is very hard... Definitely has to be on the grace for it, and very well established in the truth.
After my posts had to pass approval of the moderation as they claim I was posting doctrinal content... And that wasn't allowed on the forums.
Well, it is very strange... I cannot post doctrinal truth or opinion in a Christian forum.
I did not find such a problem here at narrow-way. Fortunately, we have far more liberty here.
God bless you all in Jesus' name! They are all posting doctrine, and there is no written rule against it. What do they call that mess from members of the OSAS clique, if that is not doctrine? They just make up phony violations to silence opinions they don't like. Ask them where you can't start doctrinal threads in the TOS, and to explain why others get away with it?
You are most certainly free to discuss doctrine here without pre-approval. Moderator review should be used for people starting fights and using questionable language, not for teaching doctrine.
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2018 10:06:58 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? It is here. Not everywhere. Let's suppose you want to secretly indoctrinate at a message board, while giving the illusion you are interdenominational. How do you do this?
1. Moderators are put in place to lead, not keep the peace and enforce basic rules.
2. Allow controlled dissent. They need disagreements, but those who disagree must be dumb or out numbered 5 to 1 or 10 to 1. They can't allow balance. When the numbers get too great against them, it is time to thin the herd. Bait them into fights. That is intentional. That creates an excuse to place them on moderator review or ban them. Create phony rule violations if need be.
By doing these things, you create the illusion your opposition is made up of fringe nut jobs. Rush Limbaugh will tell you the purpose of callers is to make the host look good. The purpose of those who don't believe like the leadership at some message boards is to advance the doctrine of the leadership. It took me some time to figure this out.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 19, 2018 10:51:03 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? It is here. Not everywhere. Let's suppose you want to secretly indoctrinate at a message board, while giving the illusion you are interdenominational. How do you do this?
1. Moderators are put in place to lead, not keep the peace and enforce basic rules.
2. Allow controlled dissent. They need disagreements, but those who disagree must be dumb or out numbered 5 to 1 or 10 to 1. They can't allow balance. When the numbers get too great against them, it is time to thin the herd. Bait them into fights. That is intentional. That creates an excuse to place them on moderator review or ban them. Create phony rule violations if need be.
By doing these things, you create the illusion your opposition is made up of fringe nut jobs. Rush Limbaugh will tell you the purpose of callers is to make the host look good. The purpose of those who don't believe like the leadership at some message boards is to advance the doctrine of the leadership. It took me some time to figure this out.
(There are the "rules", and then there are the rules.) What I don't get is why Christian forums whose creators have a fundamental bias (doctrinal or of some other kind) don't lay it out in the forum's statement of beliefs and purpose. Then only people who believe what they believe will use it and everyone will be happy. Why pretend to be objective when you're not?
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2018 11:02:52 GMT -5
It is here. Not everywhere. Let's suppose you want to secretly indoctrinate at a message board, while giving the illusion you are interdenominational. How do you do this?
1. Moderators are put in place to lead, not keep the peace and enforce basic rules.
2. Allow controlled dissent. They need disagreements, but those who disagree must be dumb or out numbered 5 to 1 or 10 to 1. They can't allow balance. When the numbers get too great against them, it is time to thin the herd. Bait them into fights. That is intentional. That creates an excuse to place them on moderator review or ban them. Create phony rule violations if need be.
By doing these things, you create the illusion your opposition is made up of fringe nut jobs. Rush Limbaugh will tell you the purpose of callers is to make the host look good. The purpose of those who don't believe like the leadership at some message boards is to advance the doctrine of the leadership. It took me some time to figure this out.
(There are the "rules", and then there are the rules.) What I don't get is why Christian forums whose creators have a fundamental bias (doctrinal or of some other kind) don't lay it out in the forum's statement of beliefs and purpose. Then only people who believe what they believe will use it and everyone will be happy. Why pretend to be objective when you're not? That would be the honest and upright thing to do, but they need opponents to defeat to keep up interest. There is that, and a genuine attempt to persuade people to believe as they do.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 19, 2018 12:07:39 GMT -5
And unfortunately, if a certain clique is paying the bills, those guys get what they want.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 19, 2018 12:08:44 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? They are all posting doctrine, and there is no written rule against it. What do they call that mess from members of the OSAS clique, if that is not doctrine? They just make up phony violations to silence opinions they don't like. Ask them where you can't start doctrinal threads in the TOS, and to explain why others get away with it?
You are most certainly free to discuss doctrine here without pre-approval. Moderator review should be used for people starting fights and using questionable language, not for teaching doctrine.
Actually, there was a group there that I believe was constantly watching and reporting my posts they did not like.
Especially convicting posts that went against their own beliefs and they could not refute.
I believe they were reporting that I was posting faulty doctrine based on incorrect interpretation of Scripture and judging people.
And they decided to believe the people that were reporting and accusing me...
well, they have chosen who they decided to believe.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 19, 2018 13:57:12 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? I was their when it happened . FOLKS don't like bible doctrine when it contradicts their teachers doctrine . Letters was throwed out . When one comes with exhortations that say sin can and does destroy the walk , FOLKS don't like that . They want their man made peace . Which at the first biblical doctrine that contradicts that man made peace , It is not tolerated . example. IF a man loves money , Ya think he is going to want to have JESUS words or pauls showing the love of money to be the root of all evil . NOPE IF men want to remarry or have UNLAWFULLY do you think they want to hear JESUS statements or pauls on the matter . NOPE . But I have found great joy , peace and upmost happiness, JUST KEEPING those sayings . HIS words are not burdensome at all, TO keep them is not hard , heavey at all. ITS JOY , IT IS the abundate LIFE and EVER so happy is the one who simply keeps those sayings . You throw those hands up sister , and praise the LORD and REJOICE n the LORD . AS JESUS said MORE than once , HE who loves ME , KEEPS MY SAYINGS , And He who hates ME , KEEPS NOT my sayings . THIS IS HOW WE KNOW WHO WE HATE AND WHO WE LOVE .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 19, 2018 14:02:48 GMT -5
And unfortunately, if a certain clique is paying the bills, those guys get what they want. When you said that sister , the saddest thought popped in my head . and that is this .
UNFORTUNATELY they disregaurd THE ONE WHO PAID IT ALL . When we ponder on that . ITS a very heavy sadness . THEY pay the bills , but throw THE ONE WHO PAID THE PRICE away with HIS SAYINGS . That is a tragedy . I mean Christ was sorely beaten down like a dog by men . Had his beared plucked and so marred his visasge was NOT EVEN RECOGNIZEABLE and WHY , CAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that HE gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON . Christ was beaten so bad he would have died from the beatings alone . Yet it did not end their , He had to carry his own cross , getting more beatings on the way to HIS OWN crucifiction . And yet IN HIS NAME folks disregaurd HIS SAYINGS for mens . That is an abominaton .
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2018 14:30:57 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? They are all posting doctrine, and there is no written rule against it. What do they call that mess from members of the OSAS clique, if that is not doctrine? They just make up phony violations to silence opinions they don't like. Ask them where you can't start doctrinal threads in the TOS, and to explain why others get away with it?
You are most certainly free to discuss doctrine here without pre-approval. Moderator review should be used for people starting fights and using questionable language, not for teaching doctrine.
Actually, there was a group there that I believe was constantly watching and reporting my posts they did not like.
Especially convicting posts that went against their own beliefs and they could not refute.
I believe they were reporting that I was posting faulty doctrine based on incorrect interpretation of Scripture and judging people.
And they decided to believe the people that were reporting and accusing me...
well, they have chosen who they decided to believe. It is worse than choosing not to believe you. I wish that was all it was, because if that were true, you could show them the facts and they would admit they were wrong, and change their decisions. I believe they know exactly what they are doing. It is a tactic they have been using for years.
Anyway, here is their most common tactic. You start threads they don't like or say things they don't like. Then they look for something in your words they can twist to make out like you violated the rules. I may as well refer back to what they did to you, as I witnessed it. You are in a thread, and you make a comment about prophets not being accepted by the majority. From that, one of the respected members in the clique claims you said another member of that forum isn't saved. You supposedly did that with scriptures you posted, but that never happened. It doesn't matter because the accusation was out there, and one by one, others confirmed that you had said that, and reported you. This led to you being placed on moderator review. I showed that never happened, but it didn't matter.
I witnessed this recently in another thread. This guy started a thread they didn't like, so the false accusations began to fly. The OP had slandered everyone that believes in the rapture. It was a stupid OP in my opinion, but it slandered nobody. Then one by one, everyone started saying they were reporting the guy and would do everything they could to get the thread removed. Even though I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I do not approve of these sleazy tactics, so I reported what was going on and defended the guy that started the thread. The results were altered because of that.
This doesn't just happen out in the open, but behind the scenes. They will claim you said something out of the way to the moderators in a pm, and they will ban you or suspend you or whatever. They will make up a charge like "abusive behavior behind the scenes." There is no telling how many people that seemed to leave were banned quietly that way. The point is that if you take positions they don't like, they are looking for ways to ban you or put you on moderator review, which leads to most getting discouraged and leaving anyway. I don't know if it is all about money or if it is about doctrine. Either way, the tactics are repeated all the time.
I know what kind of posts you write, and there is nothing offensive in them. There is no reason why you should be on moderator review for any of those things, but it isn't because you are using bad language or violating the rules, but you are promoting doctrine they don't like.
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2018 12:15:51 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? Talk about no common sense or judgment, did you see that thread at WCF about why this woman left her church and husband? That junk is allowed, while 2f, who only posts things that edify and build up is on moderator review! It is shameful. That woman who is openly living in fornication would have been banned from here.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 20, 2018 14:59:37 GMT -5
Posting doctrinal content? Isn't that the point of a Christian site??? Talk about no common sense or judgment, did you see that thread at WCF about why this woman left her church and husband? That junk is allowed, while 2f, who only posts things that edify and build up is on moderator review! It is shameful. That woman who is openly living in fornication would have been banned from here.
It's one thing to tolerate that kind of lifestyle from unbelievers you have to work with or deal with in society. It's unacceptable to tolerate it in the church. You come to me as a Christian doing exactly what the Bible says not to do, we got a problem.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 20, 2018 16:29:47 GMT -5
It's one thing to tolerate that kind of lifestyle from unbelievers you have to work with or deal with in society. It's unacceptable to tolerate it in the church. You come to me as a Christian doing exactly what the Bible says not to do, we got a problem. And then people bring the famous phrase: "Do not judge!". OK.
"...Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin... ...Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:34|36
"Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?" - Ezekiel 18:23
"And they said, “That is hopeless! So we will walk according to our own plans, and we will every one obey the dictates of his evil heart.”" - Jeremiah 18:12
"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person." - 1 Corinthians 5:11
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." - Galatians 6:7-8
"...I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me." - John 8:15-16
Is this a reason to get my post reported?! Sincerely, please!
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 20, 2018 17:13:47 GMT -5
I don't see how quoting Bibles verses could be controversial on a Christian site.
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2018 17:27:12 GMT -5
I don't see how quoting Bibles verses could be controversial on a Christian site. They were charging him with using scripture as a weapon. What do they expect? The Bible compares it to a sword.
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