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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 7:48:04 GMT -5
Yes...we do have to be careful of the conclusions we draw (when we think we know) and often be content with an open-ended understanding, sort of keeping a sense in a humble way that there is still more understanding yet to come, because we do only understand in part.
Another thing is that it's not easy trying to share understanding, and it can sometimes seem as though you are drawing "conclusions" that you are not. For me most of the joy is in seeing how perfect and harmonious the word of God is, from cover to cover, written through the instrument of many different individuals over the course of centuries...when things "click" and fall into place we rejoice in the Lord. It's incredible.....very glorifying to God, and I think He is pleased to have this witnessed to and appreciated. I don't want to presume to speak for anyone else, but I get the sense that is a big part of Sister's joy too. As well as bringing light to things that were just completely mystifying before.
Another scripture that has been lit up with more understanding for me on this thread is this one:
Rom 10:6-8 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the WORD of faith, which we preach;
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Post by Sister on Jul 9, 2018 7:58:04 GMT -5
Hi Abby-Joy
This is God speaking through Christ, the Word of God.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jul 9, 2018 8:43:18 GMT -5
Hi Abby-Joy
This is God speaking through Christ, the Word of God.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
And yet, He was speaking of Himself when He said, "I am." Jesus was and is also equal with God... but He took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus also had a separate will that He submitted to His Father's will.
Luke 22:41-42 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
I don't believe that Jesus was a mere puppet of God the Father. He stated that if we've seen Him, we've seen the Father because He came to do the will of His Father, and to speak the words of His Father. Amazing to think of this, being He is (and always was/always will be) the Word of God.
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Post by Sister on Jul 9, 2018 8:51:45 GMT -5
Yes...we do have to be careful of the conclusions we draw (when we think we know) and often be content with an open-ended understanding, sort of keeping a sense in a humble way that there is still more understanding yet to come, because we do only understand in part. Another thing is that it's not easy trying to share understanding, and it can sometimes seem as though you are drawing "conclusions" that you are not. For me most of the joy is in seeing how perfect and harmonious the word of God is, from cover to cover, written through the instrument of many different individuals over the course of centuries...when things "click" and fall into place we rejoice in the Lord. It's incredible.....very glorifying to God, and I think He is pleased to have this witnessed to and appreciated. I don't want to presume to speak for anyone else, but I get the sense that is a big part of Sister's joy too. As well as bringing light to things that were just completely mystifying before. Another scripture that has been lit up with more understanding for me on this thread is this one: Rom 10:6-8 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the WORD of faith, which we preach; Thank you Watchful. What a beautiful scripture. Yes this is my joy, to bring things out in the open, to glorify our wonderful Father, through our Lord Jesus. Thank you for seeing and appreciating this. You are a joy to me in certain times of sadness, but don't get me wrong, I am not in despair. I received a wonderful blessing today. My mother and sisters came over, and my sister brought her friend who I've known for years. She has always been very worldly, stylish, glamorous, materialistic type of girl and she told me that she's noticed the whole world is fake and materialistic! She said she's sick of it, and just wants to be herself now and that she doesn't care about all that anymore. Well I started talking to her about Christ, and it went from there, and she said she's been thinking about all this lately. She got a little excited and said she wanted a bible as soon as possible, I showed her mine and she was amazed at it, and asked where to start reading and so forth. Then she went on her phone and started searching on the net for one. I know it's a small step, but a blessing to talk to someone that wants to move in that direction. Please pray for her, her name is Vicky. It is so much better preaching face to face with someone. They can ask questions, and we can have good dialogue together. We can both see expression in each others faces, therefore we can read one another better. On the internet it's not the same. Things can get misconstrued, and it's easy to ignore one another or say things we can later regret. Expression in words does not always come across like we want it to, it has no tone, but that's all we've got here, are our words, so it must be seasoned with salt, added with a little flavour. Your words are always graceful to me. Thank you. I don't need to see your face, but your tone has lifted me up many a time, because I see your heart. You are much loved Sister, and everyone else here I love too, but they cannot see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:20:20 GMT -5
Bless you Sister...and a blessing to see the Lord working on Vicki's heart...may the Lord bring her the rest of the way and reveal the Saviour to her. Yes, a lot gets misunderstood on the internet, it has it's limitations. Something else that gets misunderstood I think are the divers gifts and callings...it's not always easy to recognize or understand the gifts and perspectives that others are coming from, and that in itself can lead to misunderstandings. Well, we all will just keep on keeping on in the Lord....knowing that even in those things He is still able to work it all together for our good.
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Post by John on Jul 9, 2018 14:59:08 GMT -5
Yes...we do have to be careful of the conclusions we draw (when we think we know) and often be content with an open-ended understanding, sort of keeping a sense in a humble way that there is still more understanding yet to come, because we do only understand in part. Another thing is that it's not easy trying to share understanding, and it can sometimes seem as though you are drawing "conclusions" that you are not. For me most of the joy is in seeing how perfect and harmonious the word of God is, from cover to cover, written through the instrument of many different individuals over the course of centuries...when things "click" and fall into place we rejoice in the Lord. It's incredible.....very glorifying to God, and I think He is pleased to have this witnessed to and appreciated. I don't want to presume to speak for anyone else, but I get the sense that is a big part of Sister's joy too. As well as bringing light to things that were just completely mystifying before. Another scripture that has been lit up with more understanding for me on this thread is this one: Rom 10:6-8 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the WORD of faith, which we preach; Thank you Watchful. What a beautiful scripture. Yes this is my joy, to bring things out in the open, to glorify our wonderful Father, through our Lord Jesus. Thank you for seeing and appreciating this. You are a joy to me in certain times of sadness, but don't get me wrong, I am not in despair. I received a wonderful blessing today. My mother and sisters came over, and my sister brought her friend who I've known for years. She has always been very worldly, stylish, glamorous, materialistic type of girl and she told me that she's noticed the whole world is fake and materialistic! She said she's sick of it, and just wants to be herself now and that she doesn't care about all that anymore. Well I started talking to her about Christ, and it went from there, and she said she's been thinking about all this lately. She got a little excited and said she wanted a bible as soon as possible, I showed her mine and she was amazed at it, and asked where to start reading and so forth. Then she went on her phone and started searching on the net for one. I know it's a small step, but a blessing to talk to someone that wants to move in that direction. Please pray for her, her name is Vicky. It is so much better preaching face to face with someone. They can ask questions, and we can have good dialogue together. We can both see expression in each others faces, therefore we can read one another better. On the internet it's not the same. Things can get misconstrued, and it's easy to ignore one another or say things we can later regret. Expression in words does not always come across like we want it to, it has no tone, but that's all we've got here, are our words, so it must be seasoned with salt, added with a little flavour. Your words are always graceful to me. Thank you. I don't need to see your face, but your tone has lifted me up many a time, because I see your heart. You are much loved Sister, and everyone else here I love too, but they cannot see it. Just one quick piece of advise. I wasn't there, so it may not have been possible, but often times, when a person is eagerly listening to you talk about the Lord, that is your best chance to get them saved. Just put it out there and see if they will pray with you and accept Jesus. If they tell you they re not ready to commit, and you warn them they may not get another chance, and they still say no, there is nothing you can do. I wasn't there and don't know how the conversation went.
Added Vicky to my prayer list.
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Post by Sister on Jul 10, 2018 11:38:02 GMT -5
I did speak with Vicky in depth about 4 years ago, and the seed was planted then, but some other friends of hers have been stirring her up lately.
I didn't pray with her, I just preach, and if it touches them, I encourage them to read the scriptures starting at the New Testament. I did tell her how to pray however, when she goes home and is alone in her room, and that her prayer has to be from the heart. If God wants her, he will draw her to Christ, and no man can take her out of his hands. He's the one who will stir up the heart, to draw in, and then it starts with a prayer, by the person willingly coming to him through their own choice and their own convictions. Some people like to read first before they take that leap, to know a little more first before making a commitment. We can only preach so much, but the Word when they read for themselves will either be a blessing or an abhorrence.
I don't like to put pressure on people, only encourage strongly to make that step themselves. I don't know if I am doing it wrong, but that's how I do it. I don't have a system, I just talk to them and tell them all the wonderful things about Christ, and about how great his mercy is.
Thank you for praying for Vicky.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 10, 2018 11:51:41 GMT -5
I don't know if I am doing it wrong, but that's how I do it. I don't have a system, I just talk to them and tell them all the wonderful things about Christ, and about how great his mercy is. I believe that if you are led by the Spirit then you cannot do wrong...
But I believe it takes practice to learn to be led completely by the Spirit and then you are sure you have done what God expected.
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." - Galatians 5:18
One mistake I believe I have done is that sometimes our own thinking and opinions may cause us to add our own words that we thought we should say when we shouldn't.
I believe that pursuing peace and love is a good starting point.
"Let all that you do be done with love." - 1 Corinthians 16:14If you feel you need to know more then pray about it, the Lord is always willing to help us.
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Post by John on Jul 11, 2018 12:27:44 GMT -5
She has been given the way to be saved, so there is nothing stopping her from praying through. The only reason to try to get them to pray with you is because they could die suddenly or encounter people who will turn them away from God or demonic spirits. Every situation is different, so no criticism was intended.
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