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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 18:19:53 GMT -5
Romans 14:10–12 says, “For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (ESV). Second Corinthians 5:10 tells us, “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” In context, it is clear that both passages refer to Christians, not unbelievers. The judgment seat of Christ, therefore, involves believers giving an account of their lives to Christ.
The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All of our sins are forgiven, and we will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). We should not look at the judgment seat of Christ as God judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us for our lives. Yes, as the Bible says, we will have to give an account of ourselves. Part of this is surely answering for the sins we committed. However, that is not going to be the primary focus of the judgment seat of Christ.
At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Some of the things we might be judged on are how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), and how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9). The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. James 1:12 is a good summary of how we should think about the judgment seat of Christ: “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”Christ further promises every true Christian that He will not erase his name from the book of life, but will confess his name before the Father and before His angels. Incredibly, although the text says just the opposite, some people assume that this verse teaches that a Christian’s name can be erased from the book of life. They thus foolishly turn a promise into a threat. Exodus 32:33, it is argued by some, supports the idea that God may remove someone’s name from the Book of Life. In that passage the Lord tells Moses that “whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.” There is no contradiction, however, between that passage and Christ’s promise in Revelation 3:5. The book referred to in Exodus 32:33 is not the Book of Life described here, in Philippians 4:3, and later in Revelation (13:8; 17:8; 20:12, 15; 21:27). Instead, it refers to the book of the living, the record of those who are alive (cf. Ps. 69:28). The threat, then, is not eternal damnation, but physical death. Your Thoghts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 18:27:44 GMT -5
In John’s day, rulers kept a register of the citizens of a city. If someone died, or committed a serious crime, their name was erased from that register. Christ, the King of heaven, promises never to erase a true Christian’s name from the roll of those whose names were “written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain” (13:8).
On the contrary, Christ will confess every believer’s name before God the Father and before His angels. He will affirm that they belong to Him. Here Christ reaffirmed the promise He made during His earthly ministry: “Everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 10:32). The comforting truth that true Christians’ salvation is eternally secure is the unmistakable teaching of Scripture. Nowhere is that truth more strongly stated than in Romans 8:28–39: And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 18:34:48 GMT -5
Neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus And We All Say AMEN!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 18:40:01 GMT -5
So then Once saved then you loose it>>>> You go from the bema to the Great White???>I think not, your thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 19:36:00 GMT -5
So what is the Great White?The Great White Throne Judgment is an event where those who did not know Jesus as their Savior during their life will come before the Lord and be judged by Christ. Christians will not be judged at this time—they will be judged before that, at the Judgment Seat of Christ.And I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 19:55:36 GMT -5
Im sure some will not like this thread but read and think about each word you read! this is from the sword of GodJesus and not from MAN!!>ME!
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Post by John on Jan 8, 2022 22:22:16 GMT -5
This thread has been moved for review.
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2022 8:25:19 GMT -5
In our statement of faith, we make it clear that this forum rejects the once saved, always saved doctrine. I have stated in the past that I will allow one thread to discuss this topic, provided that certain ground rules are followed. It must only make Bible-based arguments, those discussing the subject cannot keep repeating the same arguments over and over again, and there can be no personal attacks. Most of this thread abides by these ground rules, though I did remove one post for a personal attack against those who disagree with the author. I am going to allow this one thread on unconditional security to continue for now. If it gets out of hand, it will be locked.
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2022 8:41:04 GMT -5
One thing I do need to ask you @magpass . Did you write the OP in your own words, or did this come from a web-site defending OSAS? If you did not write it, you must give credit to the author. If you did write it that is fine, and we can proceed.
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Post by watchful on Jan 9, 2022 11:20:18 GMT -5
Maybe this is kind of a two-sided coin. To the sincerely penitent of heart there are much needed reassurances. To those who would be tempted to trample the blood of Christ underfoot and sin wilfully there are needed warnings against falling away. Thinking of it that we like sheep browse in the pasture of His word and eat of it what we need for our own individual situation at any given time.
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2022 22:10:29 GMT -5
Romans 14:10–12 says, “For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (ESV). Second Corinthians 5:10 tells us, “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” In context, it is clear that both passages refer to Christians, not unbelievers. The judgment seat of Christ, therefore, involves believers giving an account of their lives to Christ. The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All of our sins are forgiven, and we will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). We should not look at the judgment seat of Christ as God judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us for our lives. Yes, as the Bible says, we will have to give an account of ourselves. Part of this is surely answering for the sins we committed. However, that is not going to be the primary focus of the judgment seat of Christ. At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Some of the things we might be judged on are how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), and how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9). The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. James 1:12 is a good summary of how we should think about the judgment seat of Christ: “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”Christ further promises every true Christian that He will not erase his name from the book of life, but will confess his name before the Father and before His angels. Incredibly, although the text says just the opposite, some people assume that this verse teaches that a Christian’s name can be erased from the book of life. They thus foolishly turn a promise into a threat. Exodus 32:33, it is argued by some, supports the idea that God may remove someone’s name from the Book of Life. In that passage the Lord tells Moses that “whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.” There is no contradiction, however, between that passage and Christ’s promise in Revelation 3:5. The book referred to in Exodus 32:33 is not the Book of Life described here, in Philippians 4:3, and later in Revelation (13:8; 17:8; 20:12, 15; 21:27). Instead, it refers to the book of the living, the record of those who are alive (cf. Ps. 69:28). The threat, then, is not eternal damnation, but physical death. Your Thoghts I do not know who wrote this Magpass. Whoever it is, whether it is you or someone else, this is basically a man writing a sermon and referencing scriptures. He is giving opinions, based on how he interprets things. There is no context given here. It is just someone writing a sermon and referencing scriptures to make it look like it is authoritative. For instance, the assertion that in Exodus, the book mentioned is not the book of life is just an opinion, and it makes no sense. If you look at it in context, why would God blot someone out of the book of the living? In addition, if He were to blot them out of the book of the living, would not that automatically mean they are not in the book of life? There is just a lot of things being said with nothing to back it up.
I need to ask you again @magpass , did you write the OP? If not, I need to know the source because plagiarism is not acceptable. If you can give credit to the source, I will leave it. If not, and you did not write it, I will have to remove it. If you did write it, then you should be able to defend it, and I will have questions for you. Also, I would like to discuss this subject in depth with you by discussing individual passages that seem to support unconditional security and ones that do not. All too often, this topic leads to a lot of lashing out and accusations. We do not want that here, but I am fine with a civil discussion. Please let me know if you wrote the OP?
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Post by John on Jan 16, 2022 19:34:27 GMT -5
Because I never got an answer to my question over who wrote the OP, I am locking this thread. If Magpass or someone wants to discuss this topic in a thread where they write an OP in their own words or at least give credit to the author, I will allow it provided it is just about the different judgments, and not an OSAS thread. I have a thread to discuss OSAS.
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