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Post by John on Jul 18, 2018 7:24:43 GMT -5
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeling to him, and asking him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none that is good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
I have always found this interesting, because few if anyone talks about it. When they speak of this story from Mark 10:17-19, everyone focuses on the man's personal sin, the love of money. They completely ignore Jesus' initial answer. A man comes up to Jesus and asks him what he must do to inherit eternal life, and rather than tell him to just believe on Jesus, that he is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Jesus tells him to keep the commandments. Of course, we know from scripture that if we want to be saved, there is no other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved but Jesus Christ, but what about keeping the commandments? We are led to believe by many in the church today that how we live has nothing to do with salvation, but what does Jesus say? This is something we should all think about
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 8:13:56 GMT -5
It shows us TWO STRONG THINGS . JESUS did not come to destroy the law . AND that HE IS THE ONLY WAY . Because the man said , LORD all these things have I kept from my youth up . AND JESUS said ONE THING YOU LACK . ONE THING . Sell all you have , give to the poor and FOLLOW ME . Indeed JESUS did not say , OH you can make void the law now . That is all legalism NOW . JESUS NEVER SAID THAT . SEE in truth the only way we truly CAN KEEP the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW , IS IN CHRIST . IN CHRIST . SO JESUS pointed to the ONE work that one might WORK the WORKS OF GOD . TO JESUS . WHOEVER looks to the law as a means of justification , is under the law , for the LAW clearly exposes what sin is . AND EVERY ONE HAS SINNED . IF a man claims JESUS as the means of justification , YET makes him a minister of inquity by making void the law through grace , THIS ONE IS LOST as well. WE don't use JESUS , GRACE as an excuse for sin . DEFINITION of making void the law through grace . example , say one is in the abomination of same sex, and another comes along and says , OH GOD IS LOVE you okay , that is old test , GOD gives grace you fine as YOU ARE . THAT is making the law VOID through grace . AND JESUS is not the aurthor of lawlessness . SATAN IS . LIVING by the power of Grace which brings salvation , THAT TEACHES US SOMETHING , TO DENY ungodliness , SIN , evil , uncleanliness to be walking soberly righteously and godly . The next question on a post ought to be HOW DOES ONE TRULY KNOW the under grace or still under the law . Being a transgressor , MAKES one convicted by the law AS a transgressor . WE need to be serious as was the early church . James told THE CHURCH , hey church if you even have respect of persons , YOU COMMIT SIN , YOU are convinced by the law AS TRANSGRESSORS . THE NEW convenant is that GOD PUTS the HIS LAW in and on our minds and hearts . HE DONT MAKE VOID the law , HE PUTS IT ON OUR HEART. SO that WHILE WE SEEK TOBE JUSTFIED BY CHRIST , we are also walking BY the POWER of the SPIRIT and have the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law ON OUR HEARTS fulfilled in our walk by the power of grace . WE don't earn salvation , we don't earn righteousness , that alone is a gift , but with that said , we don't transgress willfully and walk in sin EITHER . IF JESUS IS IN US , WE WALK as DID HE . and HE NEVER SINNED . And HIS SEED remains in us , and it aint corruptible , ITS INCORRUPTIBLE SEED . LIVING BY THE SPIRIT is walking righteously IN and BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT . And this is why if when one errs , WE SO fast to do what JESUS said that pattern of correction . Most folks take james out of text and I watch them do it . BUT THE MESSAGE was to BELIEVERS not unbelievers . TO BELIEVERS . as in DONT ERR . DONT ERR. FOLLOW and OBEY CHRIST . that and those are the warnings we need back .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 8:21:07 GMT -5
Lets use the example of JESUS versus todays men.
WHEN quoating the law . JESUS said it is written that whoever puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery . But I say UNTO you , that whoever looks upon a woman to LUST after her , has committed adultery ALREADY in HIS HEART . DOES THAT SOUND like this , OH you fine < GOD UNDERSTANDS and we are not under the law . DO THE TWO EXAMPLES EVEN REMOTELY SOUND THE SAME . I did not see JESUS making void ANYTHING . IN FACT he made it even clearer . another example of JESUS versus men of today . YOU have heard in the law it said THOU shall not kill , he who does is a murderer BUT I SAY UNTO YOU that whosoever even hates his brother IS A MURDERER . DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE LAW IS MADE VOID at all, OR is it magnified on the heart . Compare that to , YOU LEGALISTS , GOD GIVES GRACE all is well mindset . THE TWO AINT EVEN CLOSE . the two mindsets , CHRISTS GRACE , versus todays warped version o grace , DONT EVEN SOUND THE SAME they sound opposite . ONE MAKES CLEAR the message of Go and sin no more , todays OH yall legalists . Dangerous times we live in . very seductive and only getting worse .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 8:24:14 GMT -5
NOW let me ask us all one question . ARE we going to heed men OR JESUS are we going to heed what the apostles said or todays men . MY ADVICE stands . FOLLOW ONLY CHRIST and BIBLE UP with the scrips that make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ . Cause man nor false doctrines will save ANYONE . THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE , ITS HIS WORDS and SAYINGS WE OUGHT TOBE FOLLWOING and LOVING HIM by KEEPING those sayings and the examples of the true men of GOD in that bible .
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 18, 2018 10:19:02 GMT -5
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeling to him, and asking him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none that is good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. I have always found this interesting, because few if anyone talks about it. When they speak of this story from Mark 10:17-19, everyone focuses on the man's personal sin, the love of money. They completely ignore Jesus' initial answer. A man comes up to Jesus and asks him what he must do to inherit eternal life, and rather than tell him to just believe on Jesus, that he is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Jesus tells him to keep the commandments. Of course, we know from scripture that if we want to be saved, there is no other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved but Jesus Christ, but what about keeping the commandments? We are led to believe by many in the church today that how we live has nothing to do with salvation, but what does Jesus say? This is something we should all think about
Jesus wasn't implying that the man could receive eternal life by keeping the commandments of the law of Moses. We know from other Scriptures that that never saved anyone, and that it is impossible for any Jew to be saved by keeping the ten commandments or any of the other commandments of the law. It is humanly impossible to do.
As Paul said in Galatians 3:21: If a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
The way to eternal life was never through the law of Moses---not any part of it. It was not given to the people of Israel for that purpose. All of the Jews who were justified by God under the law were justified by faith, not by keeping the law, just as the saints who lived before the law was given were justified by faith, and by doing whatever God had told them to do. The Jews like David who were circumcised in heart kept the law because those were the commandments God had given to them and that was His will for them, not because they thought they could earn eternal life or be justified in the sight of God by doing them. (That would be like an unsaved person keeping the commandments of the New Testament thinking that he or she could work his or her way into heaven by doing them.)
Jesus prefaced what He said to that rich young man who asked Him about what he must do to receive eternal life by telling him that there was only one who is good (that is, God), the same thing Paul wrote in Romans 3:9-20. Jesus knew that there was only one way for this man to be justified in God's sight, and that that was through faith in Him. Even if that man had kept all of those commandments, he still wouldn't have been righteous in God's sight, because it is impossible for any human being to be justified by keeping the law, no matter how hard he tries to keep it.
...For if justification were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (Galatians 2:21)
So we know the Lord wasn't telling the young man that he could gain eternal life by keeping the commandments He listed, which would contradict the doctrine of Christianity that the apostles taught. He told him that only one was good, and that is God only. He wanted the young man to know that, which to me implies that the Lord was telling him that he couldn't be good enough by doing good deeds, because God is the only one who is good. Then He listed some of the commandments of the law of Moses, which point to the righteousness of God, which were the commandments that the Jews had and knew and which they knew the righteousness of God by---albeit an inferior moral code to the one Jesus gave to Christians. I believe His reason for mentioning these commandments was to do the same thing that the law itself was intended to do for the Jews, to bear witness to the righteousness of the only one who is good---God---to show them how high His standard was, and that they couldn't reach it.
As if to drive home the point---about God's righteousness and high standard---when the young man said that he had kept those commandments, Jesus added something that wasn't in the law, but which, for this particular man, would have demonstrated that his heart was not covetous or idolatrous (that he was not a lover of money)---a fruit of repentance, and proof that he believed in Jesus, who told him that he would have treasure in heaven if he sold his goods, and to follow Him. When the man went away sad, it showed where his heart was---with his wealth, rather than with God, and that he did not believe God. He could have gone back to keeping the commandments of the law, but what Jesus had told him to do, and which he failed to do, showed that he loved money more than God, which is idolatry, and also breaks the greatest commandment of the law of Moses, which is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart and so forth. Jesus set a higher standard than the law---a standard that doesn't allow for having an impure heart.
The Lord did a similar thing as He did with the rich man with the teacher of the law who asked Him about how to inherit eternal life, with the parable of the good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37). He set a higher standard than the law of Moses with His teaching, to show the Jews that they were not righteous as they thought they were by keeping the law, but needed to be justified by God through faith in Jesus, which was also what the law itself was intended to point them to. And He did this with several of the commandments of the law of Moses in the sermon on the mount, in which He both showed God's higher standard of righteousness, above the righteousness of the law, and gave them the commandments of the new and better covenant according to that standard.
"For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:20)
All that to say, the point of this particular Scripture isn't to teach us that we must keep God's commandments to receive eternal life.
First of all, Christians are not commanded to keep anything except what is given to us in the New Testament---whether we are Jews by birth or non-Jews---which would include the ten commandments, which were for the people of Israel only. Whatever of the Old Testament law carries over into the law of Christ is in the New Testament---such as honoring one's father and mother. We have an amplified version of what is contained in the law of Moses, and a higher standard than the Jews, and if we were to keep the ten commandments as they are written in the Old Testament, we would be breaking the law of Christ, because He gave Christians a new teaching. (We could commit adultery in our hearts, for example, so long as we didn't commit the physical act of it. We could take oaths. We could take an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.)
It's important to recognize what applies to whom, so that we don't get confused about what it is that we (Christians) are supposed to be keeping, and break the law of Christ or be out of God's will. The ten commandments, as they are given in the Old Testament, are not the commandments that Christians keep, but rather the commandments of the New Covenant that are contained in the New Testament, which are given to Christians. (I realize that many Christians believe they are supposed to be keeping the ten commandments, and tithing, but they only need to be keeping what is in the New Testament, including whatever of the law of Moses carries over into the New Covenant law.)
And secondly, the Lord's mentioning of the commandments in this Scripture was not a reminder to us that we must be faithfully obedient to His commandments in order to keep (not receive) our eternal life in Him (which is true). It was to show the rich young man that he couldn't be good enough to receive eternal life, even by keeping those commandments the best he could, but that He needed to be justified by faith in the one who is good and have the righteousness of God imputed to him, and that the way to do that was through repentance and faith---which his selling of his goods would have been the proof of for him (both of repentance from a love of money, and of faith in God, who had promised him treasure in heaven).
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Post by John on Jul 18, 2018 10:53:35 GMT -5
A few things here. First of all, this took place before Calvary, so the man was to keep the entire law. The Jews did that because of their faith in God, and looking forward to the Messiah to come.
Under the New Covenant, we obey God because of our faith in Christ, looking back to what he did on the cross. I do not believe that we need not concern ourselves with anything in the Old Testament, just because it is not reaffirmed in the New Testament. God didn't cease to be holy, so laws dealing with his standard of holiness still apply. They can't save us. We can't just turn over a new leaf, follow the laws and be saved, but God expects us to be obedient children after we are saved. If we take the attitude that we don't need to worry about anything in the Old Testament not reaffirmed in the New Testament, a son who was never married could marry his Mother if she became a widow, because the laws of incest are only in the Old Testament. We know incest outside of marriage is prohibited in the New Testament, but there is nothing in the New Testament that would prohibit a brother from marrying his sister. We know it is wrong from the Old Testament. The same goes for trying to communicate with the dead. There is no New Testament scripture prohibiting the practice. The only reason we don't believe in following the horoscope is the Old Testament.
The man in the story came to Jesus with a sincere question, what to do in order to have eternal life. The man called Jesus "good master." That is why Jesus pointed out none is good but God. Jesus mentioned the commandments. Are we to think that Jesus would steer the man wrong? What if he simply accepted what Jesus said and walked away? The only reason this conversation continued was because the man said what he did, looking for praise from Jesus. He was clearly lifted up in pride. That is when Jesus told him that if he wants to be perfect, he should sell all he has, give it to the poor, and follow him. Jesus never said that was a requirement to receive eternal life. He does go on to say that it was hard for a rich man, who places his trust in riches, to enter heaven, but even that is not impossible with God. To say that Jesus didn't mean what he said to the man would mean he was steering him wrong. I just can't accept that.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 18, 2018 11:20:02 GMT -5
you ever notice that little bitty word in the bible, IF? it usually is used when there is something conditional.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
This is something Jesus said also.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 18, 2018 11:45:10 GMT -5
...what about keeping the commandments? We are led to believe by many in the church today that how we live has nothing to do with salvation, but what does Jesus say?
"All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given..." - Matthew 19:11
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." - John 14:23
"If you love Me, keep My commandments." - John 14:15
"Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him." - James 1:12
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." - 1 John 2:3
"...And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world..." - 1 John 5:3-4
"Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:22-23
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." - John 14:24
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." - 1 John 4:8
"And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him." - Acts 5:32
Glory to God! Amen.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 18, 2018 12:21:21 GMT -5
A few things here. First of all, this took place before Calvary, so the man was to keep the entire law. The Jews did that because of their faith in God, and looking forward to the Messiah to come.
Under the New Covenant, we obey God because of our faith in Christ, looking back to what he did on the cross. I do not believe that we need not concern ourselves with anything in the Old Testament, just because it is not reaffirmed in the New Testament. God didn't cease to be holy, so laws dealing with his standard of holiness still apply. They can't save us. We can't just turn over a new leaf, follow the laws and be saved, but God expects us to be obedient children after we are saved. If we take the attitude that we don't need to worry about anything in the Old Testament not reaffirmed in the New Testament, a son who was never married could marry his Mother if she became a widow, because the laws of incest are only in the Old Testament. We know incest outside of marriage is prohibited in the New Testament, but there is nothing in the New Testament that would prohibit a brother from marrying his sister. We know it is wrong from the Old Testament. The same goes for trying to communicate with the dead. There is no New Testament scripture prohibiting the practice. The only reason we don't believe in following the horoscope is the Old Testament.
The man in the story came to Jesus with a sincere question, what to do in order to have eternal life. The man called Jesus "good master." That is why Jesus pointed out none is good but God. Jesus mentioned the commandments. Are we to think that Jesus would steer the man wrong? What if he simply accepted what Jesus said and walked away? The only reason this conversation continued was because the man said what he did, looking for praise from Jesus. He was clearly lifted up in pride. That is when Jesus told him that if he wants to be perfect, he should sell all he has, give it to the poor, and follow him. Jesus never said that was a requirement to receive eternal life. He does go on to say that it was hard for a rich man, who places his trust in riches, to enter heaven, but even that is not impossible with God. To say that Jesus didn't mean what he said to the man would mean he was steering him wrong. I just can't accept that.
You're right about the saved Jews keeping the law for that reason---they were justified by faith (circumcised in heart, not flesh merely), and were keeping the law because of their faith in God's future atonement for their sins in Christ, because that was the law He had given them to keep to be a holy people to Him, just as our law is for us. If they had not kept the law (even though none of them kept it perfectly), even though they had been justified by faith just as we are, they would have been condemned by God just as we will be if we live disobedient to His commandments after being justified by Him by faith, and saved by His grace. But this man was not a saved Jew; he was an unsaved Jew asking Jesus how to receive eternal life by doing good works. Therefore it would have made no sense for our Lord to tell him that he could receive eternal life by keeping the commandments of the law of Moses, even though that law had not yet been abolished for the Jews who would put their faith in Him after His death, and it is true that all of the Jews were still commanded to keep the law at that time. That wasn't the reason He mentioned the commandments; this man needed to be justified by faith in Jesus to receive eternal life, and Jesus was telling him the way to be saved, as I previously explained, which is why when the man went away He went on to talk about how hard it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, implying that that man who went away would not enter it. As for the Old Testament's teachings and commandments, I believe that it's a matter of knowing what covenant we are under and what laws pertain to which, which is a slippery slope for a lot of Christians who don't seem to know what covenant they are under---whether they are supposed to be keeping the Sabbath and various Jewish feasts and such (which aren't for Christians), or whether God wants them to be rich in earthly possessions and money, whether they should go to war, etc. All Scripture is given by God and profitable for instruction in righteousness, and there is plenty of wisdom and good instruction in God's righteousness in the Old Testament that Christians should pay attention to, and which is applicable to us even though we are not specifically commanded about those things in the New Testament. Paul and the other apostles referred to the Old Testament and the law of Moses in their epistles, but they also knew how to use it. And that is something I don't think a lot of Christians know, which is why there is so much confusion today about whether Christians should be following the law of Moses or not, and a lot of Christians are doing so (which is not God's will for us), and are blending Old Testament teachings with New Testament doctrine in a way they ought not to be. It does require discernment. I certainly don't believe that we don't need to pay attention to any of the moral teachings or wisdom Scriptures in the Old Testament, but we also need to remember that the New Testament is the higher standard that Christians are supposed to follow, as with the examples given in my previous post. About the rich young man calling Jesus "Good Teacher", I think Jesus was using what he said to point out to him that none was good except God only because of what He went on to tell Him, as I explained in my previous post, because as the rich man said, in the parallel account in Matthew 19:16, "What good deed (or thing) must I do to have eternal life?" He was asking Jesus how he could gain eternal life by works, which is what the unsaved Jews under the law were trying to do by keeping the law, to be justified by their works. It's not impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, if he repents of his covetousness, any more than it is impossible for an adulterer or a drunkard or a swindler or a thief to enter the kingdom of heaven if they repent. The reason why it's hard is because without God's grace, a rich man won't choose the kingdom of heaven over his money and his goods, just like that rich man who walked away from Jesus chose to keep what he had. That man's selling of his goods would have demonstrated that he was 1) not a lover of money and 2) that he believed God's word and promises, that he would have treasure in heaven if he did what Jesus told him to do. I don't believe that Jesus was steering the man wrong by telling him that he would gain eternal life by keeping the commandments of the law of Moses; that was the law the man had, but he wasn't saved, so it wouldn't have made any difference if he kept them the best he could or not. So Jesus was clearly not suggesting that that was the way to inherit eternal life; He was using the commandments as part of His teaching to show the man how to be saved, showing him that he needed repentance and faith in Him (which is how all people are saved), as I explained in the previous post.
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Post by John on Jul 18, 2018 12:58:19 GMT -5
The only problem is the Bible never says if he was saved or lost before he approached Jesus, and everything Jesus told him in his response was things he needed to do. Keep commandments. Sell your possessions if you want to be perfect and follow me. If Jesus wanted him to get the message you are saying he wanted him to have, it wasn't very plain. The man went away sad because he didn't want to give away his possessions, not because he couldn't believe in Jesus. I just don't see that message in Jesus' answer. I welcome more opinions on this in case I am overlooking something.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 15:38:41 GMT -5
A few things here. First of all, this took place before Calvary, so the man was to keep the entire law. The Jews did that because of their faith in God, and looking forward to the Messiah to come.
Under the New Covenant, we obey God because of our faith in Christ, looking back to what he did on the cross. I do not believe that we need not concern ourselves with anything in the Old Testament, just because it is not reaffirmed in the New Testament. God didn't cease to be holy, so laws dealing with his standard of holiness still apply. They can't save us. We can't just turn over a new leaf, follow the laws and be saved, but God expects us to be obedient children after we are saved. If we take the attitude that we don't need to worry about anything in the Old Testament not reaffirmed in the New Testament, a son who was never married could marry his Mother if she became a widow, because the laws of incest are only in the Old Testament. We know incest outside of marriage is prohibited in the New Testament, but there is nothing in the New Testament that would prohibit a brother from marrying his sister. We know it is wrong from the Old Testament. The same goes for trying to communicate with the dead. There is no New Testament scripture prohibiting the practice. The only reason we don't believe in following the horoscope is the Old Testament.
The man in the story came to Jesus with a sincere question, what to do in order to have eternal life. The man called Jesus "good master." That is why Jesus pointed out none is good but God. Jesus mentioned the commandments. Are we to think that Jesus would steer the man wrong? What if he simply accepted what Jesus said and walked away? The only reason this conversation continued was because the man said what he did, looking for praise from Jesus. He was clearly lifted up in pride. That is when Jesus told him that if he wants to be perfect, he should sell all he has, give it to the poor, and follow him. Jesus never said that was a requirement to receive eternal life. He does go on to say that it was hard for a rich man, who places his trust in riches, to enter heaven, but even that is not impossible with God. To say that Jesus didn't mean what he said to the man would mean he was steering him wrong. I just can't accept that.
JESUS knew the man would say ALL THESE THINGS have I kept . I think lots of folks don't know THAT JESUS KNEW . JESUS knows how every man is going to answer . He even asked questions to the desciples FULLY KNOWING WHAT HE was going to do , BUT to prove them . Can you imagine what they would have been like . I mean imagine what it would have been like TO TALK TO the WORD , and GOD IS HIS WORD , IN the flesh . I know this aint on the topic. But it makes me very worried when I see so many today , acting like at best JESUS was jus some wise man . WHEN IN FACT HE WAS FAR MORE THAN THAT . HE EXISTED before anything was made . HE always WAS . and now a word against that wicked all inclusive . Just who do men think they are when they say the things they do . Make an open mock OF JESUS , omit HIS sayings , OMIT the dire need to confess him to be saved I highly suspect on judgment day , WHEN all are judged BY HIS SAYINGS , their will be much trembling as many will be told , I NEVER KNEW YOU . JESUS aint just a way among many ways . And all the popes and kennys , the emergents , all under that all inclusive spell, FOLKS THEY GONNA BE TERRIFIED on HIS DAY when all nations are gathered before him and he seperates the goats from the sheep . OH dear , that will a day of utter terror for so many . AND I take it THAT SERIOUS . DENY HIS SAYINGS , YOU DENY HIM . and IF one denies HIM , HE DENIES THEM . no ifs, no ands , no what abouts , ITS THAT PLAIN . TIME to keep on even more in that BIBLE and follow CHRIST by the power of HIS SPIRIT that works in all the members of HIS BODY .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 15:57:25 GMT -5
The only problem is the Bible never says if he was saved or lost before he approached Jesus, and everything Jesus told him in his response was things he needed to do. Keep commandments. Sell your possessions if you want to be perfect and follow me. If Jesus wanted him to get the message you are saying he wanted him to have, it wasn't very plain. The man went away sad because he didn't want to give away his possessions, not because he couldn't believe in Jesus. I just don't see that message in Jesus' answer. I welcome more opinions on this in case I am overlooking something.
CORENLIIUS is a prime example . HE lived as he should . HE did good deeds , he did his alms andthey came up before GOD . And an angel appeared and told Cornelius he needed to hear words from peter . IT WAS GOSPLE TIME for Cornelius . The spirit was at work in Cornelius already . Cornelius already had faith in GOD , but it was time for him to truly COME TO CHRIST . Appollos was another man , who had to get the gospel expounded unto HIM . HE was mighty n what , DEEDS and SCRIPTURES and was being LED TO JESUS . Prisca and her husband expounded unto him , appolos , the more perfect way . God was already at work in appolos , and he was drawn to the SON that his deeds might be made manifest that they were wrought IN GOD . a remnant of jews through all ages before JESUS came , Walked by faith IN GOD , did good , and , this is a big one , THEY ALREADY HAD FAITH , FAITH that a SAVOIR was COMING and would bring salvation . YEAH , they had FAITH IN JESUS , before HE EVEN CAME TO EARTH . THE SHEEP DID anyway , the rest nope , they were not of GOD spiritually , and they did evil works and relyed on their own self righteousness goodness to save them . JESUS was spoken of n torah , LONG before HE came to earth . OH many longed to see and hear what those decsiples did , THEY had faith and died in faith , SAVED by FAITH in who , IN JESUS even before HE CAME . And now we have Faith in HIM , who did COME , and we await HIS SECOND COMING . Now folks on that note , IT IS LORD PRAISING TIME AGAIN . David SAW JESUS day , he mentions it huge IT PSLAMS . THEM PROPHETS , THEY KNEW TOO . and so did a remnant . And on that note , I got another word against that wicked all inclusive mindset . IF a man died under the law of MOSES , with two or three witness, IF THEY DIED PHYSCIALLY THEN KNOW and understand this , HOW MUCH WORSE , WORSE a punishment for those who trod under foot the SON OF MAN . OH their is a death that is far worse than physical death of this body . ITS called the second death . FOLKS just don't know how serious it is , TO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT for this all inclusive love . THAT END WILL BE TERRIBLE and TERRFIYING . AND I flat out despise the all inclusive message , just flat out despise it . FOLKS need to repent of that , and fast . The lambs are about to suffer very harsh , Many of us about to suffer as never before and many will die . Now why don't one ask Ol frienduff why he aint got no fear of death of men of suffering . AND THE ANSWER IS , I GOT ALL HOPE cause I GOT THE LORD and the LORD IS WTH US and we are HIS whether we live or die , and our joy SHALL ABOUND even In the hour of our death. SIng this song , THEIR JUST AINT NO PEACE , LIKE THE PEACE OF THE LORD , OHHHHHHHH sing it with me , OHHHHHH its the peace that passes ALL UNDERSTANDING . NO fear of man , no fear of death , ONLY JOY and HOPE IN THE LORD . how bout that for a song . YEAH . ITS LORD PRAISINGTIME .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 16:01:42 GMT -5
NOW PHYSCOLOGY would call me crazy . Cause man don't cant grasp that KIND OF HOPE that the LORD GIVES . IT CAN ONLY BE RECIEVED SPIRITUALLLY. OH yes ,we saved by grace . Folks don't know the peace of the LORD and no matter what comes against one WHO HAS THIER HOPE IN THE LORD. AINT nothing gonna matter , the desire simply is , LORD thy will be done . NOW PRAISE THE LORD , for whether we live or die , WE THE LORDS . no fear of man , no fear of loss, no fear of death, CAUSE WE GOT THE LORD . why fear anything , BUT THE LORD . Exactly . OH let us praise the LORD , let us praise the LORD , no matter what is coming against us , LET US PRAISE THE LORD. LIFT those hands and praise HE WHO HAS SAVED US . THE LORD IS WITH us , PRAISE THE LORD . PRAISE THE LORD and again PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 18, 2018 16:05:51 GMT -5
you ever notice that little bitty word in the bible, IF? it usually is used when there is something conditional. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. This is something Jesus said also. OH so often we see it . I have called you friends , IF you keep my commandments . Or how bout what paul said , IF , IF you continue IN HIS GOODNESS , otherwise you will be cast out , cut off . THIS JESUS said to those who BELEIVED IN HIM . IF IF IF you COTINUE IN ME , THE TRUTH shall MAKE YOU FREE . IF IF IF a man loves me HE KEEPS MY SAYINGS . WE wont be buying the all inclusive lie Cletus , NOPE , LET US ARMOUR UP and ONWARD IN THE LORD no matter what it costs us . NOW LEAP UP) and PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jul 18, 2018 17:37:31 GMT -5
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeling to him, and asking him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none that is good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. I have always found this interesting, because few if anyone talks about it. When they speak of this story from Mark 10:17-19, everyone focuses on the man's personal sin, the love of money. They completely ignore Jesus' initial answer. A man comes up to Jesus and asks him what he must do to inherit eternal life, and rather than tell him to just believe on Jesus, that he is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Jesus tells him to keep the commandments. Of course, we know from scripture that if we want to be saved, there is no other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved but Jesus Christ, but what about keeping the commandments? We are led to believe by many in the church today that how we live has nothing to do with salvation, but what does Jesus say? This is something we should all think about
Brother, I feel there is a clue in the statement before that where Jesus asked, "Why callest thou me good? there is none that is good but one, that is, God." Jesus was/is God - the Son - and yet, His answer may seem to some to indicate that Jesus was saying that no one should call Him good because only God is good (implying that Jesus was/is not God). But that is not what He was saying at all. He was talking to people who did not believe He was the Son of God... so in a way, He was getting them to think as to why they would call Him good if they didn't believe He was God, the Son. So then, He turned them to the law... which no man could keep. That's why Jesus came... to fulfill the law. That doesn't mean we are not to live holy lives, but it no longer stands in front of us, glaring in condemnation. Now, we have the law of Christ written on our hearts and the Spirit of Christ (Holy Spirit) which enables us to do the will of God.
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