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Post by tlsitd on Jul 20, 2018 11:12:22 GMT -5
(I'm of a more conservative persuasion than this preacher about some of the things he mentions, but I agree with his main point.)
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2018 11:38:32 GMT -5
The problem I see with this message is that the term "Christian fellowship" is not found in the Bible, and while he is correct in saying there is a deep and spiritual type of fellowship spoken of in the Bible, the more general kind is also mentioned in some places. The only thing he uses to back himself up is a Greek word translated to fellowship, but that is not the Greek word translated to fellowship in each verse.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 20, 2018 13:23:44 GMT -5
We are super blessed to live in an age where much is known about the human "body" the body works together, the systems and organs. everything in the body works to fight off infections. to heal. to move. to survive. if you study the body and how it does things under the skin, and then meditate on that concerning the body of christ... and fellowship it is mind blowing how Gods handy work are very present annd amazing.
I think what he means by "christian fellowship" isnt a term to be found in the bible but to get people to talk about God, pray... you know actually fellowship. spiritual interaction with spiritual topic. The house church i went to was big on fellowship with the emphasis on the greek word the video mentions. the kind of fellowship he is talking about is not found in church buildings very often, if at all. the way we do church today is a far cry from no one calling things their own property and everyone living in one accord as the early church did. Just think about how much more time the elders have to interact with the younger believers when they meet in a house and live together or amoung each other as the early church did. todays church does not provide the environment for peoples hearts to be tightly knit together.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 20, 2018 13:41:57 GMT -5
The problem I see with this message is that the term "Christian fellowship" is not found in the Bible, and while he is correct in saying there is a deep and spiritual type of fellowship spoken of in the Bible, the more general kind is also mentioned in some places. The only thing he uses to back himself up is a Greek word translated to fellowship, but that is not the Greek word translated to fellowship in each verse.
It is a spiritual interpretation, I believe. As we can see, the body is not working together as it should.
Most people only go to church or meet and they do nothing to help one another, actually most do not even interact with each other outside of the church building.
And when a member is facing problems, he/she rarely finds someone willing to help, spiritually and/or materially.
"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”" - 1 Peter 4:8
I already saw worldly communities being more helpful to one another, in other words.
I believe we need more of this love, that really seeks not its own but of one another.
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" - Galatians 5:14
"And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart." - Galatians 6:9
"Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys." - Luke 12:33
"eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;" - Romans 2:7
Yes, it is beautiful of seeing people united... Doing good and helping one another in the way they can.
"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!" - Psalm 133
"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." - James 1:27
"By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." - John 13:35
God bless you all in Jesus' name!
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 20, 2018 16:04:42 GMT -5
We are super blessed to live in an age where much is known about the human "body" the body works together, the systems and organs. everything in the body works to fight off infections. to heal. to move. to survive. if you study the body and how it does things under the skin, and then meditate on that concerning the body of christ... and fellowship it is mind blowing how Gods handy work are very present annd amazing. I think what he means by "christian fellowship" isnt a term to be found in the bible but to get people to talk about God, pray... you know actually fellowship. spiritual interaction with spiritual topic. The house church i went to was big on fellowship with the emphasis on the greek word the video mentions. the kind of fellowship he is talking about is not found in church buildings very often, if at all. the way we do church today is a far cry from no one calling things their own property and everyone living in one accord as the early church did. Just think about how much more time the elders have to interact with the younger believers when they meet in a house and live together or amoung each other as the early church did. todays church does not provide the environment for peoples hearts to be tightly knit together. There are Christians who live together in communities (or communes) but the problem with that is that it often becomes cultic. I don't believe God wants Christians to cluster together in one place and live separated from the world, but to be spread throughout ordinary society and to influence it by being lamps of Christ there. He used the stoning of Stephen and the persecution of the church that followed to scatter its members abroad, in order to spread the gospel. It's appealing to want to live together with other Christians in a commune-like situation, but generally that doesn't turn out well. (Because of that pesky little thing called the sinful nature, which can never be escaped.) With regard to spiritual fellowship, I think the bigger problem than Christians being too spread out geographically to live the way the earliest believers did, is that Christians in general are too individualistic and self-centered. They don't think of themselves as part of a whole with a common purpose. Especially in America, they've been heavily influenced by the culture and its values, of which individualism, and living for oneself, are chief. But those aren't God's values. If Christians had the mentality of being part of a whole, they would live that way, even though they might live far away from each other. They would get together for fellowship when they could in each others' homes, call and text each other, email each other, help each other, contribute to each others' needs, and try to keep one another on the right path. We have more ways to keep in touch and to fellowship now than in any generation previous. The problem is that most of us are too focused on ourselves and our own lives, and our lives revolve too much around the world and enjoying and getting what we want out of it, rather than around Jesus Christ---knowing Him better, becoming more like Him and doing His will---and serving one another and evangelizing the unsaved. If our mentality were different, and more of us made our spirituality our priority, rather than success in the world, comfort, and pleasure (none of which are priorities of God's), we would have the kind of fellowship that the early believers had. I guarantee it. We would find a way, because it would be a chief priority of ours; and people always find a way to do, and make time for, what they really want to do and value highly. The sad truth is that most Christians don't value Jesus Christ very highly (as their personal choices day to day prove to God), so they don't value the kind of fellowship described in this video very highly either. They'd rather talk about sports and politics and pop-culture and business, because that is what they are interested in, and they know and care more about that than they do about about spiritual topics (which are serious, and which tend to convict and require something of us). As Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:24,25)
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Post by Cletus on Jul 20, 2018 22:42:58 GMT -5
We are super blessed to live in an age where much is known about the human "body" the body works together, the systems and organs. everything in the body works to fight off infections. to heal. to move. to survive. if you study the body and how it does things under the skin, and then meditate on that concerning the body of christ... and fellowship it is mind blowing how Gods handy work are very present annd amazing. I think what he means by "christian fellowship" isnt a term to be found in the bible but to get people to talk about God, pray... you know actually fellowship. spiritual interaction with spiritual topic. The house church i went to was big on fellowship with the emphasis on the greek word the video mentions. the kind of fellowship he is talking about is not found in church buildings very often, if at all. the way we do church today is a far cry from no one calling things their own property and everyone living in one accord as the early church did. Just think about how much more time the elders have to interact with the younger believers when they meet in a house and live together or amoung each other as the early church did. todays church does not provide the environment for peoples hearts to be tightly knit together. There are Christians who live together in communities (or communes) but the problem with that is that it often becomes cultic. I don't believe God wants Christians to cluster together in one place and live separated from the world, but to be spread throughout ordinary society and to influence it by being lamps of Christ there. He used the stoning of Stephen and the persecution of the church that followed to scatter its members abroad, in order to spread the gospel. It's appealing to want to live together with other Christians in a commune-like situation, but generally that doesn't turn out well. (Because of that pesky little thing called the sinful nature, which can never be escaped.) With regard to spiritual fellowship, I think the bigger problem than Christians being too spread out geographically to live the way the earliest believers did, is that Christians in general are too individualistic and self-centered. They don't think of themselves as part of a whole with a common purpose. Especially in America, they've been heavily influenced by the culture and its values, of which individualism, and living for oneself, are chief. But those aren't God's values. If Christians had the mentality of being part of a whole, they would live that way, even though they might live far away from each other. They would get together for fellowship when they could in each others' homes, call and text each other, email each other, help each other, contribute to each others' needs, and try to keep one another on the right path. We have more ways to keep in touch and to fellowship now than in any generation previous. The problem is that most of us are too focused on ourselves and our own lives, and our lives revolve too much around the world and enjoying and getting what we want out of it, rather than around Jesus Christ---knowing Him better, becoming more like Him and doing His will---and serving one another and evangelizing the unsaved. If our mentality were different, and more of us made our spirituality our priority, rather than success in the world, comfort, and pleasure (none of which are priorities of God's), we would have the kind of fellowship that the early believers had. I guarantee it. We would find a way, because it would be a chief priority of ours; and people always find a way to do, and make time for, what they really want to do and value highly. The sad truth is that most Christians don't value Jesus Christ very highly (as their personal choices day to day prove to God), so they don't value the kind of fellowship described in this video very highly either. They'd rather talk about sports and politics and pop-culture and business, because that is what they are interested in, and they know and care more about that than they do about about spiritual topics (which are serious, and which tend to convict and require something of us). As Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:24,25) The early church did live in communities. Some of the epistles address problems specific churches had from the surrounding communities unsaved cultures. Which if Christians did this today it would be a huge light... what the world sees from churches today.. kinda hard to see much other than a social club. Most churches dont have any kind of storehouse and if you mention it the reply is we just aren't set up to do that. and thats from church leadership. so why would people not talk about sports and all that other temporal stuff? the structure isnt there and there is no push for some of the important things besides a sermon and worship.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 21, 2018 5:23:26 GMT -5
There are Christians who live together in communities (or communes) but the problem with that is that it often becomes cultic. I don't believe God wants Christians to cluster together in one place and live separated from the world, but to be spread throughout ordinary society and to influence it by being lamps of Christ there. He used the stoning of Stephen and the persecution of the church that followed to scatter its members abroad, in order to spread the gospel. It's appealing to want to live together with other Christians in a commune-like situation, but generally that doesn't turn out well. (Because of that pesky little thing called the sinful nature, which can never be escaped.) With regard to spiritual fellowship, I think the bigger problem than Christians being too spread out geographically to live the way the earliest believers did, is that Christians in general are too individualistic and self-centered. They don't think of themselves as part of a whole with a common purpose. Especially in America, they've been heavily influenced by the culture and its values, of which individualism, and living for oneself, are chief. But those aren't God's values. If Christians had the mentality of being part of a whole, they would live that way, even though they might live far away from each other. They would get together for fellowship when they could in each others' homes, call and text each other, email each other, help each other, contribute to each others' needs, and try to keep one another on the right path. We have more ways to keep in touch and to fellowship now than in any generation previous. The problem is that most of us are too focused on ourselves and our own lives, and our lives revolve too much around the world and enjoying and getting what we want out of it, rather than around Jesus Christ---knowing Him better, becoming more like Him and doing His will---and serving one another and evangelizing the unsaved. If our mentality were different, and more of us made our spirituality our priority, rather than success in the world, comfort, and pleasure (none of which are priorities of God's), we would have the kind of fellowship that the early believers had. I guarantee it. We would find a way, because it would be a chief priority of ours; and people always find a way to do, and make time for, what they really want to do and value highly. The sad truth is that most Christians don't value Jesus Christ very highly (as their personal choices day to day prove to God), so they don't value the kind of fellowship described in this video very highly either. They'd rather talk about sports and politics and pop-culture and business, because that is what they are interested in, and they know and care more about that than they do about about spiritual topics (which are serious, and which tend to convict and require something of us). As Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:24,25) The early church did live in communities. Some of the epistles address problems specific churches had from the surrounding communities unsaved cultures. Which if Christians did this today it would be a huge light... what the world sees from churches today.. kinda hard to see much other than a social club. Most churches dont have any kind of storehouse and if you mention it the reply is we just aren't set up to do that. and thats from church leadership. so why would people not talk about sports and all that other temporal stuff? the structure isnt there and there is no push for some of the important things besides a sermon and worship. If Christians really wanted to conform more to the New Testament pattern of church administration, worship and fellowship, they could and would. Most don't want to, because their spirituality isn't their first priority in life, for one thing, and secondly because doing things that way would require something of them that they really aren't willing to give, because of their mentality. They like things the way they are, or at least are content enough with it not to inconvenience themselves in order to do things differently. That's the unfortunate truth, and that has been a problem since the time of the apostles. It's the sinful nature. (It's not what we say but what we do that proves what we really value and the true attitudes of our hearts.)
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Post by frienduff on Jul 21, 2018 9:24:33 GMT -5
And now we see the effects of what sin will truly do to a christain . For Grace alone puts the desire into our hearts to seek God out , to serve Christ . But what does sin do , It hardens the heart and many fall away due to sin . Lusts truly will choke the word . Many are called, but how many let lusts destroy them and thus few will remain . When them preachers get up and teach the church that people cant fall away , and stop warning out about the danger of sin to a christain . IT all unravels at a fast pace . The thing is , Let us sound the reminder AGAIN , let us exhort with sound doctrine , let us warn the carnal babes , You cease that , you cease that and start over asap or risk it all. Now by all means , of course when we do this it will be met with heavy resistance. Just as it has already been . But at least hopefully some will repent This is why many whose walks or hearts have been hardened by the deceitfulness of sin , will come against those who exhort . Its why we get run off or accused and came against . However, we must only keep continually exhorting , some will hear and repent of the evil . This is also why its so dire important to keep exhortning one another with sound biblical doctrine , as well as the gifts . Everyone here knows , that daily in this world all they hear is , sin sin sin , lust talks and sadly in most churches as well we hear , false mixes. That is vexing . But let us by grace , continue to keep on with sound doctrine daily . you can never hear enough sound doctrine even if you already know it IT STILL EDIFIES the soul. We are witnessing an abomination , the ideals of it , of the abomination that leads to total destruction and perdition . YES , its the end time mind set which is and will lead all right to the beast . Its concepts are everywhere now and growing . And it has reached each camp in their own personal way . To the liberal its known as PC , to churches as inclusive , the one common theme it sells is a false love unity , a false image of God , and its really starting to not only flow in its increase , but in the strength of its delusion as well. A cup of delusion is being and began to be poured out . And we cannot even sip one sip of it . Stay in sound doctrine . Remain and continue IN CHRIST for soon it hits the full and then the beast does rise and the kings will and the world as one will surrender all to this beast and the kings will do its will . And we are so right at the door of the final hour . So armour up and more than ever keep testing all, keep n sound doctrine , KEEP the pattern JESUS first taught and the apostles would later teach and expound on . TO DO that , we do have to OPEN BIBLES and get refreshed in that pattern , and daily . Cause as I said, a wave of delusional thoughts are flowing in now .
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 21, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
I waited for time to watch the video before I commented here.
Whether we approach this from the Greek or English, we reach the same conclusion, namely that Christian fellowship has morphed into a meaningless term. Fellowship is not unique in this, though. It's the nature of language for terms to loosen and broaden their definitions over time. Call it linguistic entropy.
The English word fellow began as a term for a financial investor. It came from a compound that essentially meant "to put down money." So if you match the origin of fellow with the origin of the Christian church, you definitely see a correlation. Over time, fellow was loosened to mean a peer, then loosened more to mean a companion. Today, fellowship means little more than hanging out.
If we actually care about being thoughtful with our language, we will define fellowship at least in line with Mark Kielar. At the very least, it should describe a meeting of peers to discuss or participate in their common bond. For Christians, this means spiritual peers in a relationship to share things of Christ. Any definition weaker than this is a pointless definition.
I myself would define Christian fellowship as a lifestyle among Christians to financially, socially, emotionally, and materially invest in each other. We don't necessary need to build a private compound, but we ought to put our money where our mouth is, and not just 10% written off to a church. I feel like this is what Acts tried to convey.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 21, 2018 11:15:21 GMT -5
The early church did live in communities. Some of the epistles address problems specific churches had from the surrounding communities unsaved cultures. Which if Christians did this today it would be a huge light... what the world sees from churches today.. kinda hard to see much other than a social club. Most churches dont have any kind of storehouse and if you mention it the reply is we just aren't set up to do that. and thats from church leadership. so why would people not talk about sports and all that other temporal stuff? the structure isnt there and there is no push for some of the important things besides a sermon and worship. If Christians really wanted to conform more to the New Testament pattern of church administration, worship and fellowship, they could and would. Most don't want to, because their spirituality isn't their first priority in life, for one thing, and secondly because doing things that way would require something of them that they really aren't willing to give, because of their mentality. They like things the way they are, or at least are content enough with it not to inconvenience themselves in order to do things differently. That's the unfortunate truth, and that has been a problem since the time of the apostles. It's the sinful nature. (It's not what we say but what we do that proves what we really value and the true attitudes of our hearts.) While i can not disagree with you my point was that the people are not being led into this type of church/fellowship. I have been to many churches where i had zero interaction with the pastor and very limited from the people, like i was a stranger. even more churches where all i got was a hand shake and some dialogue. Only in one church i have been to a pastor has come knocking on my door to check on me and i have been to a whole bunch. what i am getting at is what we have for "church" today is honestly nothing more than a social or country club. Pay your dues and enjoy your benefits as a member. To whom much is given much is expected, and a lot of church leaders are not leading. The greater sin is on church leadership than the sheeple.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 21, 2018 11:36:57 GMT -5
There's never been a time in my adult life when a pastor (or church elder) came to my house of their own accord without me having to invite them to a whole big thing. I can't count the number of times we joined a church, attended faithfully, offered to take others out for lunch, begged people to interact with us, and heard nothing but a list of excuses. Most churches today really are a Sunday morning social club, and the pastors are setting the example.
The biggest megachurch here in my city has a private club for members who get to meet the pastor. They put you in a category based on your financial spending to the church, with the top category being a special group of big spenders. The higher you go, the more face time you get with the pastor. A woman in my city was recently convicted of real estate fraud after some big spenders in the church coached her on a real estate scam to raise funds for the club.
Baby Christians visit the nearest local church, see these happenings, think it's normal, and are severely held back in their understanding of fellowship.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 21, 2018 11:45:12 GMT -5
I waited for time to watch the video before I commented here. Whether we approach this from the Greek or English, we reach the same conclusion, namely that Christian fellowship has morphed into a meaningless term. Fellowship is not unique in this, though. It's the nature of language for terms to loosen and broaden their definitions over time. Call it linguistic entropy. The English word fellow began as a term for a financial investor. It came from a compound that essentially meant "to put down money." So if you match the origin of fellow with the origin of the Christian church, you definitely see a correlation. Over time, fellow was loosened to mean a peer, then loosened more to mean a companion. Today, fellowship means little more than hanging out. If we actually care about being thoughtful with our language, we will define fellowship at least in line with Mark Kielar. At the very least, it should describe a meeting of peers to discuss or participate in their common bond. For Christians, this means spiritual peers in a relationship to share things of Christ. Any definition weaker than this is a pointless definition. I myself would define Christian fellowship as a lifestyle among Christians to financially, socially, emotionally, and materially invest in each other. We don't necessary need to build a private compound, but we ought to put our money where our mouth is, and not just 10% written off to a church. I feel like this is what Acts tried to convey. Redefining everything, and diluting the truth, is the trend of the last days---making everything that the Bible defines or teaches clearly, either in word or in concept, open to personal interpretation and whatever anyone wants it to be or to mean, thus making Christianity anything anyone wants it to be, so long as it claims the name of Christ (maybe). Nothing means what it says and everything is open to personal interpretation and subject to change, according to the desire of the majority.
That's straight from demons. But apparently few Christians discern this. Rather, many of them like it that way---for obvious reasons...
I blame humanistic philosophy and psychology in part for this degradation of the faith, which the church, and Christians in general, have been strongly influenced by, being inundated, seduced, and indoctrinated with humanistic and psychological ideas all the day long from the secular society we live in---and from Christian authors and pastors who have embraced those ideas and are promoting them, blended with and wrapped up in Christianity---even without realizing it.
Here's the stream of that demonic feed:
Question everything God says, and adapt His word to your needs and desires; there is no objective truth; everything is a matter of opinion; human nature is basically good, and your heart is a reliable moral compass; compromise God's unnecessary, outdated and bigoted principles and adopt society's morally superior and relevant ones to get along in the modern world and to have the approval of people; man is wiser than God; your goals and your happiness is the purpose of your life, of which you are the center; etc., etc.
(That's purely demonic, folks---from the spirits of the world, not the Spirit of God. It is a spiritual attack from the enemy on the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints, to undermine it. And the objective of the spirits of the world is to steal, kill and destroy sheep. Their objective has not changed.)
But the larger blame for this doctrinal and moral degradation falls on Christians themselves for not standing on the word of God as their first and final authority on wisdom and morality and how to live their lives, and for not obeying the same in everything. For when one compromises one truth, it makes it that much easier to compromise another. How can you say that one doctrinal truth that you know to be objective (but don't want to live by or to be convicted by) is subject to personal interpretation, and stand firm on another as being objective truth? You can't; not in truth anyway. You've destroyed your own foundation. God is not your authority anymore; your own mind and your feelings are. And that's just the way the demons want it. They can lead a Christian like that into the apostasy whirlpool, and use him or her to lead others into the same vortex, to be sucked down to their destruction.
And so we find ourselves today in a situation like that of the people of Israel in the time of Judges, when there was no king, and every man did whatever was right in his own eyes. Therefore it is all the more imperative for us to know what is written, be obedient to that, stand firm on that, and reject anything that contradicts it or seeks to dilute or ambiguate it to the point of meaninglessness and powerlessness.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 21, 2018 12:09:25 GMT -5
I waited for time to watch the video before I commented here. Whether we approach this from the Greek or English, we reach the same conclusion, namely that Christian fellowship has morphed into a meaningless term. Fellowship is not unique in this, though. It's the nature of language for terms to loosen and broaden their definitions over time. Call it linguistic entropy. The English word fellow began as a term for a financial investor. It came from a compound that essentially meant "to put down money." So if you match the origin of fellow with the origin of the Christian church, you definitely see a correlation. Over time, fellow was loosened to mean a peer, then loosened more to mean a companion. Today, fellowship means little more than hanging out. If we actually care about being thoughtful with our language, we will define fellowship at least in line with Mark Kielar. At the very least, it should describe a meeting of peers to discuss or participate in their common bond. For Christians, this means spiritual peers in a relationship to share things of Christ. Any definition weaker than this is a pointless definition. I myself would define Christian fellowship as a lifestyle among Christians to financially, socially, emotionally, and materially invest in each other. We don't necessary need to build a private compound, but we ought to put our money where our mouth is, and not just 10% written off to a church. I feel like this is what Acts tried to convey. personally i wont give 10 percent of my money to a church. I do not see how that benefits building the kingdom. Churches, even small ones have big bills. big expensive ideas. the best pastors i know have a paying job outside of the church. Paul made tents. Now if a pastor comes up short and has a need... or anyone in the church... then we should be charitable. I have heard countless sermons on Malachi chapter 3. will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me... but ye say where in have we robbed thee? ...In tithers and offerings.... skip a verse and it says bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. now here is where the sermon robs God. they say this church is the storehouse... but it aint. a storehouse is a place to store victuals... food clothes and needs for the poor to be given. Jesus said to feed His sheep and give to THE POOR. feeding the sheep is not just preaching the word. church leaders say we are not set up to do a food pantry. yeah, you/we aint, but God is. I have never seen the hand of God work as i have in a ministry such as a storehouse, where i used to work for years and held many different jobs. you could pray for a need to be met in the morning before the sun was up good, before both hands of the clock stood straight up that need walked right thru the door. without fail.
Are we to be fed so well with scripture and sermon but leave off feeding the sheep? what we have done unto the least of these, my brethren ye have done it unto Me.
I can tell you when i was homeless no one ever asked me if i was hungry or thirsty or cold. one time a lady did stop and give me a drink on a very hot day, i was close to passing out or having a heat stroke. the drink was cold. never saw that lady before. small town. I do strongly believe many have entertained angels unaware, if you catch my drift. God does care about the things as a church we are leaving off to do.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 21, 2018 12:16:42 GMT -5
And in those days a book is written and on the hearts of the true lambs . And the true lambs Can discern the evil from the good . the truth from error . FOR THE HOLY Great HIGH PRIEST , the intercessor , the SHEPARD of the SHEEP , keeps and guides all those who are HIS and far from the slipper slopes of mens doctrines AND ONLY n the pastures of his green grass TRUTH will the lambs feed . Now bout a praise to the LORD . Keep on exhorting . We got a tiny place to meet , where lambs wanna and love to talk about the things of GOD and not of men . Now throw those hands up and praise the Lord .
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 21, 2018 12:59:55 GMT -5
Please understand, Cletus, I wasn’t making a case for tithes. I only meant that many Christians tithe their 10% and spend the other 90% on themselves. Churches have done a great marketing job on tithes to lock down money for themselves.
If someone is a member of a truly good church (they are out there) and God tells him/her to tithe, that’s a good thing. We shouldn’t act like tithing is a sin.
I only meant that our commitment to each other should extend beyond writing a check.
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